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An Independent East Turkestan will be bad for Pakistan

  • Yes

    Votes: 64 53.8%
  • No

    Votes: 55 46.2%

  • Total voters
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Oh I am pretty hostile to any statement that starts and ends with words like "its all BS, there is no opression of muslims in China."
Without adding any logic or reasoning to back it up.

A person who is convinced with logic, will have the logic to explain it to others.
A blind follower or whose mind is controlled by whatever others say about an issue and he/she can't be bothered with independent research to convince their own selves is some one to be hostile about and feel sorry for :)
you just talk big i am sure you have never been to China. i dont have appetite for this
 
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So what? China's alliance with Pakistan is FAR MORE sacred and deeper than ANY relationship we have with ALL other non-Pakistani Muslims. China's internal matters are of no concern to outsiders.

Also, the above article is FAR TOO melodramatic. It's not as if China is killing Muslims like the americans have. The Americans have killed millions of Muslims yet the whole world has stood silent. Why are no Muslims or Muslim nations condemning the Americans for the genocide of nearly 4 million Muslims since 1990?






How many Uighers have been killed in this holocaust? If what you say is true then please remember to post the links to the evidence, right here. If not then it means you're being indian about the whole thing and spreading lies and extreme misinformation.

Speak for yourself. A Muslims relationship with Allah is far more sacred and deeper than with Mushrikeen Chinese. Prophet Muhammad (saww) told us Muslims are like parts of a body, if one part hurts the whole body hurts. Don't assume for me or rest of Pakistani Muslims next time because you're clearly oblivious to this simple fact about Muslims.

If you were to come out of the rock you were living under, everyone and their mother hates and condemns America. Are you living in communist rule or something that you're so ignorant?

So as long as you don't kill someone, it's not oppression? Look at your pathetic justifications. Just disgusting.

Oh let me post proofs of those concentration camps, silly me, I'll just go to the concentration camps and tell those Chinese to smile for the camera while they're torturing people.
 
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East Turkestan movement, TTP, Baloch terrorists, Norther Alliance etc etc and this Uygur leadership ie World Uyghur Congress which is washington based lol

and how can we forget the English Speaking Daesh transported into Afghanistan through unmarked Western made Helicopters!!!! lol

@DeadSparrow We cant blame Chinese for that, this hatred created by west through their media which has the global reach has led the whole of humanity to this day! When we talk to Chinese about such issues which BTW we have as well, they tell us the exact same thing......This phobia has come from the ruthless and false preaching of the western media being spread consistently from the last 19 years now! in the guise of fighting War and Terror, protecting their way of life, Freedom etc etc.

What u think if a Chinese citizen, Indian Citizen, Srilankan or Myanmese Citizen sees and thinks abt Islam and Muslims itself?

These other countries had never had any bad experience with Islam and Muslims as well.....But because of these western countries and their state policies they have brainwashed the entire World to hate Islam and Muslims.
I mean look, even these Latin Americans and Hispanic people who themselves have a Muslim Background from the 800 years of Muslim rule in Spain, r also hating Muslims and Islam, because they saw that in Western TV channels or in internet propagated by these judo-christian countries.

This is the the root cause of the problem! as long as this doesnt get addressed and there isnt a social change right within the Western countries, there is no way we can deal with that. Heck! these western countries dont even teach the colonial history nor crusades history nor War on terror history to their children, then how will that ever happen realistically to begin with?

Because these ''other countries'' do not have any such history(Crusades,Colonial,war on terror etc etc) to begin with.

That is why nobody takes the western propaganda seriously anymore specially in the Muslim World, be it about China or whatever else. Regardless of it being true or not.

yaad ha, bachpann main humne aik kahani sunni the, Sher aya Sher aya wali? k kaisy aik charwaha Gaon k logo ko bewakuf banata raha k Sher aa gya ha or usski bakrian khany laga ha, or villagers jab b usski madad k lea aaty the to wo unn pr hasta tha k mainy unnhain jhoot bol k bewakuf bana lia or phir jab aik din wakai sher aa gya orr usski bakria kha gya to wo cheekhta raha gaon k logo k aagy k sher aa gya ha orr usski bakrian kha gya ha orr goan walo main sy kisi ny b usski madad nai ki q k wo yahe samjhe k wo jhoota ha or sher usski saari bakria kha gya??

Yaad ha ye story??

What was the moral of that story do u remember? K jhoot bolny waly ki baat par koi yakeen nahi karta q k wo khud apni credibility kho deta ha! iss lea kabhi jhoot na bolo!!!!

Bas yahe ho raha ha China or West k darmiyan, ajj west chahe jitna b sach bolta rahe, magar saari dunya ko pta chal chuka ha k wo jhoota ha or koi uss ki baat par yakeen nahi kar raha! iss lea koi b usska sath nahi deta China k against, ye Uygur Muslaman to sirf aik bahana ha! ye tumhe b pta ha orr mujhe b pta ha k West China to destroy karna chahta ha orr ye Chinese Muslims uss ki aik Shatir sazish ha!

Bas ye asal baat ha!

So if i understand you, what you're telling me is Chinese doing oppression on Uighurs is okay because the West spread Islamophobia there? Oh it's okay if the Uighurs are raped, brainwashed, tortured because the poor Chinese, the West spread Islamophobia to them.

How can i counter such a logical argument, i can't. You're right.

Iss kahani me boht aala sabak he, agar hum samajne wale baney.

Musalman jo har jagga ghadda ke jehsey chalte he inn faasiqon ke kehney pe.

Samaj lo Kyu Quran me likha he ke faasiq ki baat kabhi na suno, ta ke tum bila waja Zulm na karo kissi pe.

Tou pir tum kyu in Mushrikeen ko aisa defend kar rahay ho?

Kabhi Holy Quran ko tafseer kay saath paro pir tumharay dil say Chinese ki yeh mohabbat door ho jayegi

If that's so I truly wish the Muslims stop fighting and killing each others, bring peace and development to the middle east.

Trust me, you don't want that because then China won't be able to do what it's doing to Uighurs. It's not going to happen anyway because

This is the prophecy of our Prophet Muhammad (saww) that near the end times, Muslims would be gigantic in numbers but oppressed everywhere and they wouldn't be able to do anything. All nations would call each other and set upon Muslims like diners set upon food.

Isn't that what's happening. 1.8 billion Muslims and we're the most divided of all.

So don't worry, China will be able to wipe out Islam from Xinjiang especially Uighurs. The next generation is going to be CCP slaves, the current generation is getting treatment in concentration camps
 
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So if i understand you, what you're telling me is Chinese doing oppression on Uighurs is okay because the West spread Islamophobia there? Oh it's okay if the Uighurs are raped, brainwashed, tortured because the poor Chinese, the West spread Islamophobia to them.

How can i counter such a logical argument, i can't. You're right.



Tou pir tum kyu in Mushrikeen ko aisa defend kar rahay ho?

Kabhi Holy Quran ko tafseer kay saath paro pir tumharay dil say Chinese ki yeh mohabbat door ho jayegi
no im merely explaining in the above post that why nobody believes in the west these days worldwide! its not just us Muslims or cour countries....look at the recent votes merely 22 countries voted in favour while 37 countries voted against it, and not all of them were Muslim Countries.

As for China and other Countries as well as their treatment of Muslims, im saying that if we r to stop Chinese or others realistically and permanently, we must stop west, punish them fr their sins then afterwards make them reverse this Islam Hatred that they spread and r responsible for in the first place!

in such a long term strategy, we will only be able to stop chinese from doing what they r doing! or else there lies no realistic way to stop it......What yr implying through the OP is simply not doing to happen (watch that documentary to get a far reaching and deeper idea of why that judochristian so called human rights activist says so and whom it only will benefit).
 
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Alright, following your logic. Let's say your kid was being thrown into a forced vocational bla bla center by your oppressor friend.
See, here's the thing: it's not your kid. You have nothing to do with these people. Don't be a nosy neighbour and meddle in affairs that have nothing to do with you. Good neighbours mind their own business.

If that's so I truly wish the Muslims stop fighting and killing each others, bring peace and development to the middle east.
It's like they don't have enough enemies, they have to go around making more. They want to turn every single friend or potential friend they have into an enemy.

Hey, send those buses over to China. They'll pack them full of Uighur terrorists and send them back over to you. You love them so much, you can have them. Don't get mad if they blow up a cafe full of "harlots" and "fornicators" (read: normal people, you still have those in Turkey, right?) for being un-Islamic.
 
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no im saying that if we r to stop Chinese, we must stop west, punish them fr their sins then afterwards make them reverse this Islam Hatred that they spread and r responsible for in the first place!

in such a long term strategy, we will only be able to stop chinese from doing what they r doing! or else there lies no realistic way to stop it......What yr implying through the OP is simply not doing to happen (watch that documentary to get a far reaching and deeper idea of why that judochristian so called human rights activist says so and whom it only will benefit).

Do you even hear yourself? Let me break it down for you. Some big bad evil person (let's call it West) who does bad things takes someone in his apprenticeship (let's call it China) and teaches him bad things. China goes on to kill someone - which West condemns him for - but there's some judge who thinks like you and says hold on a minute. This dude might have killed someone but the real culprit is West. Let's hang him and let China free.

Did that sound ridiculous to you? That's what your whole twisted logic is to absolve China of its oppression. What West did are their crimes, what Chinese are doing are their crimes. Don't justify one by the other.

If we want to stop Chinese, the first step is condemning them. Stop the All Weather friend propaganda and do this over talks. Pakistan has far more leverage over China than Turkey. Because China absolutely needs Pakistan to be its slave and we're being good little slaves.
 
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Do you even hear yourself? Let me break it down for you. Some big bad evil person (let's call it West) who does bad things takes someone in his apprenticeship (let's call it China) and teaches him bad things. China goes on to kill someone - which West condemns him for - but there's some judge who thinks like you and says hold on a minute. This dude might have killed someone but the real culprit is West. Let's hang him and let China free.

Did that sound ridiculous to you? That's what your whole twisted logic is to absolve China of its oppression. What West did are their crimes, what Chinese are doing are their crimes. Don't justify one by the other.

If we want to stop Chinese, the first step is condemning them. Stop the All Weather friend propaganda and do this over talks. Pakistan has far more leverage over China than Turkey. Because China absolutely needs Pakistan to be its slave and we're being good little slaves.
read post#1196 again, i have edited it.
 
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See, here's the thing: it's not your kid. You have nothing to do with these people. Don't be a nosy neighbour and meddle in affairs that have nothing to do with you. Good neighbours mind their own business.


It's like they don't have enough enemies, they have to go around making more. They want to turn every single friend or potential friend they have into an enemy.


Hey, send those buses over to China. They'll pack them full of Uighur terrorists and send them back over to you. You love them so much, you can have them. Don't get mad if they blow up a cafe full of "harlots" and "fornicators" (read: normal people, you still have those in Turkey, right?) for being un-Islamic.

Thanks for showing your true colors. I love it when a Chinese lets his racist Islamophobic comments out. Makes me imagine vividly what Uighurs would have to listen to while they're being tortured and raped. Like what ISIS would yell while raping those 13 years old girls.

Don't let a shred of doubt in our mind about Chinese, okay?

She gave us some idea
 
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If we want to stop Chinese, the first step is condemning them. Stop the All Weather friend propaganda and do this over talks. Pakistan has far more leverage over China than Turkey. Because China absolutely needs Pakistan to be its slave and we're being good little slaves.
cant! we cant do that right now! we r not in such a position as yet........we depend on them through economics and trade.

Our Economy itself is in shambles! like i said its a long term solution no short cuts are a viable solution in order to make these countries not just china but others too like india myanmar srilanka israel to permanently stop them from doing so!

Right now we need to become a Azad Quom, both mentally and materialistically by standing in our own feet and shove off the colonial legacies be it education system or building or system and through our own sovereign, self dependent economy.

Then only we will be able to assertively say to them both west and east not to do what they r doing with Muslims and be able to punish them too if they dont comply!
 
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See, here's the thing: it's not your kid. You have nothing to do with these people. Don't be a nosy neighbour and meddle in affairs that have nothing to do with you. Good neighbours mind their own business.

He does not know who is his enemy and who is his friend, but make no mistake, Pakistanis of GB are related by blood to Uyghurs and he have a long history of intermarriage and cultural ties.

Furthermore, every Muslims’ life is the business of the global Muslim community.

It is obvious from the behavior of these two posters that they are sucked deep into Western lies and propaganda.

The only cure for this is time and education.

Keep your cool and show a positive image of China.
 
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Thanks for showing your true colors. I love it when a Chinese lets his racist Islamophobic comments out. Makes me imagine vividly what Uighurs would have to listen to while they're being tortured and raped. Like what ISIS would yell while raping those 13 years old girls.

Don't let a shred of doubt in our mind about Chinese, okay?

She gave us some idea
Take it with a big chunk of salt. This type of China bashing isn't new. FaLunGong has been doing it for a very long time. They simply make use of the closeness of Chinese government to spread lies in the rest of the world. Since that is all you are going to hear, you are more likely to believe.
 
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cant! we cant do that right now! we r not in such a position as yet........we depend on them through economics and trade.

Our Economy itself is in shambles! like i said its a long term solution no short cuts are a viable solution in order to make these countries not just china but others too like india myanmar srilanka israel to permanently stop them from doing so!

Right now we need to become a Azad Quom, both mentally and materialistically by standing in our own feet and shove off the colonial legacies be it education system or building or system and through our own sovereign, self dependent economy.

Then only we will be able to assertively say to them both west and east not to do what they r doing with Muslims and be able to punish them too if they dont comply!
But dont you think by then, lets assume 2050, uighurs wouldnt even be there, if so they would have been radically changed, culture mostly demolished like what happen in tibet. China is too overpowering and implements things pretty fast. The muslim community might not have time in the long run.
 
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