All set for military operation in South Waziristan Agency (SWA)

[waraich66]

PA general are saying they dont have latest equipment to fight with insurgent and US general are giving different statement .

I think to fight with insurgents inside Pakistan is more difficult then Afghanistan because of mountains .

If US could not defeat them in eight years how can PA can defeat them in few months?

 

[fatman17]

How should one read the "reuters" piece? Blain and Agnostic have both pointed out insensitive statements attributed to a single DoD official - but what is the article about? Seems to me, it's about Timing, while equipment is the cited bone of contention, it's Timing that is at it's core -- I also found the following instructive:

How will this play out? If you will recall a earlier piece, it mentions that Pakistani officials are confident that equipment is in place in the "region" (see Waziristan threads on the Pakistan's war board)

So what gives?? An internal turf battle to my thinking - so what's my justification for this conclusion? In the US it is being argued by a section of the DoD that "politics" on the Hill will get in the way - what has been the history of such objections? You will note that regardless of Indian and "others" presentations, whether direct or indirect, the required equipment seems to have found it's way, Mr. Gilani's statement with regard to LGB is significant in this regard -- You will also note that yesterday, in a major operation in Kunar, the US and their Afghan satrap suffered a serious setback, suggesting that the Talib and their Al-Qaeeda masters will seek to put greater pressure in Afghanistan given the political bang it will get in the US - FOr the US armed forces this means it becomes imperative to deliver in Pakistan because Waziristan will go a very long way to US assist US efforts in the South, leaving the East (Kunar/Bajaur) as a Kill box to concentrate on.

pak army will move when it feels it has too - if the US thinks we have the equipment to lauch - well my riposte is that "let us be the judge of that" not some pencil-pusher sitting in his air-con room at the pentagon - no disrespect for the US armed forces but they need to "trust" us when we say "we aint ready" - if we insist we need cobras, 105mm howitzers, 20mm cannon ammo, spares, then bygod we need them and since we r allies, pls provide it - dont get fooled into believing what the indian lobby is saying - they will always say that - its their modus operandii.

you wanna win - then support us 100% or the reaction of the army will be stop-go-stop-go!!!

 

[fatman17]

needs to be merged

 

[blain2]

How should one read the "reuters" piece? Blain and Agnostic have both pointed out insensitive statements attributed to a single DoD official - but what is the article about? Seems to me, it's about Timing, while equipment is the cited bone of contention, it's Timing that is at it's core -- I also found the following instructive:

How will this play out? If you will recall a earlier piece, it mentions that Pakistani officials are confident that equipment is in place in the "region" (see Waziristan threads on the Pakistan's war board)

So what gives?? An internal turf battle to my thinking - so what's my justification for this conclusion? In the US it is being argued by a section of the DoD that "politics" on the Hill will get in the way - what has been the history of such objections? You will note that regardless of Indian and "others" presentations, whether direct or indirect, the required equipment seems to have found it's way, Mr. Gilani's statement with regard to LGB is significant in this regard -- You will also note that yesterday, in a major operation in Kunar, the US and their Afghan satrap suffered a serious setback, suggesting that the Talib and their Al-Qaeeda masters will seek to put greater pressure in Afghanistan given the political bang it will get in the US - FOr the US armed forces this means it becomes imperative to deliver in Pakistan because Waziristan will go a very long way to US assist US efforts in the South, leaving the East (Kunar/Bajaur) as a Kill box to concentrate on.

Muse,

When our officers say they are ready, they are as ready as they were going into the Swat conflict. We lost quite a few people there as well but got the job done. This was built up area. Limited air support worked in Swat. In FATA, the space is huge. Entire battalions can be eaten up in the terrain. Just sticking with PAF aircraft that have no IFR in place means that Pakistan needs a much greater, and highly available air support in the form of long endurance attack helicopters so they can provide as-needed support to the troops.

The Cobra fleet may be ready for the FATA operations, but how long will these operations last? No one knows. Can Pakistan count on spares for the Cobras throughout these operations? What if we run into similar problems as we did earlier when very few helis were available for missions? Secondly, all of our air assets are fairly short legged. The areas where the Army will be operating will require these assets to fly out much further to support the troops. So just going by the capabilities we have had in Swat will not work entirely.

 

[Patriot]

Army should not go into FATA just because government says so on US Orders.Pakistan Army should fight when it knows that the battle be decisive and final..it should be fought once only but at the right time..To hell with US and their Indian use bs.Let US soldier's die like rats in Afghanistan and you will see how quickly they give equipment.

 

[fatman17]

^couldnt have said it any better!

 

[waraich66]

Army should not go into FATA just because government says so on US Orders.Pakistan Army should fight when it knows that the battle be decisive and final..it should be fought once only but at the right time..To hell with US and their Indian use bs.Let US soldier's die like rats in Afghanistan and you will see how quickly they give equipment.

Army is getting aid from last four decade , our generals are richest in the world still you dont like US .You and your beloved iranian regime should love US killing talaban .

 

[Patriot]

Ah looks like you're following me..Buddy you consider Taliban and AQ a muslim mujaihid army while you consider Shias and Hezbollah terrorists..you are a true takfiri.Re Generals well you're speaking from a area where sun does not shine..don't know **** about anything.If it was like that Army would be deployed all over NWFP right now.

 

[waraich66]

Ah looks like you're following me..Buddy you consider Taliban and AQ a muslim mujaihid army while you consider Shias and Hezbollah terrorists..you are a true takfiri.Re Generals well you're speaking from a area where sun does not shine..don't know **** about anything.If it was like that Army would be deployed all over NWFP right now.

Blame game again, best way to defend if have no answer

Let me clarify ,i am againt sectarianism also extremisim but support independence movements against occupation all over the world (Kashmir,Palestine,Afghanistan.)

 

[Patriot]

Oh, might as well add Pakistan to your list as you support TTP and AQ.How come Palestine is your in your list..Hezbollah fights for them and you consider it terrorist organization..Can you just tell me how Hezbollah is terrorist organization and how TTP and talibans are freedom fighters?

 

[waraich66]

Oh, might as well add Pakistan to your list as you support TTP and AQ.How come Palestine is your in your list..Hezbollah fights for them and you consider it terrorist organization..Can you just tell me how Hezbollah is terrorist organization and how TTP and talibans are freedom fighters?

Who said Hezbullah is terrorist organisation ?

I dont believe there is any organisation TTP exists , few militant groups are reacting against GOP due to US drone attacks.

These militant group should not kill Pakistani citizens and also GOP should not allow US drones attacks.

 

[HadaHada]

if the operation does happen why doesn't Pakistan use like 2-3 hundred thousand troops instead of using only like 30 40 thousand so they can outnumber the Taliban by a lot

 

[muse]

The Cobra fleet may be ready for the FATA operations, but how long will these operations last? No one knows.

On the face of it, this may seem like a reasonable assertion, however; it is not - we are not going in there without having planned the operation, in fact the planning has been going on for more than 4 months - so we have a plan, we have objectives -- Just because we are going to do this operation does not mean we will be doing it forever or that it is open-ended.

Can Pakistan count on spares for the Cobras throughout these operations? What if we run into similar problems as we did earlier when very few helis were available for missions?

Are you suggesting the GHQ staff do not know how to plan operations? or that Gen. Kiyani and his staff make plans but have not accounted for the questions with regard to spares?

Secondly, all of our air assets are fairly short legged. The areas where the Army will be operating will require these assets to fly out much further to support the troops. So just going by the capabilities we have had in Swat will not work entirely

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This is an unreasonable objection, entirely, yes, our assets are short legged, but they are not that short legged that Waristan is a country hundreds and thousands of miles away.

Why should see the article above as being an example of the internal US turf battle? Because it is, as you will note the politics around McChristal's request have become super heated, with the NSA advisor and even secretary Gates offering the General words of caution.

 

[BATMAN]

if the operation does happen why doesn't Pakistan use like 2-3 hundred thousand troops instead of using only like 30 40 thousand so they can outnumber the Taliban by a lot

Your questoin match with your avatar..
Do you see how many US soldiers are sitting in such a big Afghanistan? Technology training and planning is better way than out numbering... don't wory....we have applied this formulae in real wars....
If we have better equipment than we may even need lesser soldiers.
We can use drones and attack helicopters to minimise the casualties but neither does US want this nor does Pak govt. likes to arm Pak army with required tools.
WOT IS A BIG DRAMA. Billions of dollars suddenly dissappear when it comes to the show down.
tax payers of Pakistan have to sponsor a foreign imposed war as usuall.
We Pakistanis are paying from our pockets to keep Americans happy and in return we may get wheat on US ships costing more than wheat.

 

[waraich66]

Pakistan requires ‘months’ for Waziristan push, says Army
August 18th, 2009 - 4:51 pm ICT by ANI -
Islamabad, Aug 18(ANI): Pakistani Army has said that it would require months to prepare for a ground offensive against the Taliban in their South Waziristan stronghold on the Afghan border.

Lieutenant-General Nadeem Ahmed, Commander of the 1 Strike Corps in Mangla in Pakistan Kashmir, said this while reacting to comments made by visiting US envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke.

Holbrooke has already said that Washington is scrambling to get the equipment the Pakistani Army needs and that the timing of any ground operation was up to the army and government.

Pakistani forces have surrounded Taliban fighters in their tribal lands in South Waziristan, where Pakistani warplanes have attacked Taliban positions and US drone aircraft have launched several missile strikes that apparently killed militant leader Baitullah Mehsud.

Lt. Gen. Ahmed further said that the Pakistani military is waiting for the right time and is trying to create the right conditions for launching a future ground offensive by imposing a ‘tight’ blockade around the area.

“Once you feel that the conditions are right and you have been able to substantially dent their infrastructure and their fighting capacity, then you go in for a ground offensive,” The Dawn quoted Lt. Gen. Ahmed, as saying.

“That may happen in winter, or even beyond, probably,” he added.

Lt. Gen. Ahmed also informed that many of the military’s helicopters were being used in an offensive against militants in the Swat valley, which needs maintenance before being sent to Waziristan. (ANI)



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