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Don't get them wrong bro. Jawani ka garam khoon hai.

Most of the Iranians here and elsewhere on the net are brainwashed kids spouting gibberish about their Persian past while still mouthing on and on about how Islam was actually their savior from the evils that plagued Zoroastrianism at the time.

How Allah came to their rescue. And how Zarathushtra was driven underground, and Ahura Mazda banished from the land. With the holy Atash. Along with Ahreman of course.

The Avesta burnt to ash. For the holy Quran to rise as the proverbial Phoenix.

Do not pay them much heed.

Its the flavor of the season.

Where being Persian is glamorous and sexy.

And being a Muslim is not.

Internet Persians! Real life Muslim Iranians. :)
Actually I respect Iranians a lot because we all have a link in the past and also for their rich heritage and culture.This fellow is an exception having no idea about their past and commenting like a dumb kid and needed some hitback.:coffee:
 
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Actually I respect Iranians a lot because we all have a link in the past and also for their rich heritage and culture.This fellow is an exception having no idea about their past and commenting like a dumb kid and needed some hitback.:coffee:

On the internet, this is the predominant type you will encounter. Try visiting their Iran Defense forums.

On topic, a very interesting read - how the impact of Alexander differed from that of the Arabs and Islam

::| Culture of IRAN |:: Zoroaster and Zoroastrians in Iran
 
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Iranians have it easy where Alexander is concerned.

They can hate with a pure abandon undiluted by the baggage of a legacy.

Something they are denied when it comes to the Arabs.

We Indians mistakenly believe that it is the Pakistanis who have the biggest identity crisis on earth.

That is because we do not share a border or much of a historical past with Islamic Iran.

The only thing still Persian about them are the ruins that still stand on their land.

And history text books. Grudgingly allowed them by their mullahs.

It is funny how Islamic conquests affect two groups of people so diamterically differently.

One refuse to accept being the people they are.

While the other profess to be the people they are not.

Tell me really do why you mad tho?

Is it because your useless people are dying out? Whats your numbers now? 100,000, or was it 50,000? LMAO... These clowns think they can start rivalry with Persians... When Persians never even heard of you jokers... Just die a slow death that your coward ancestors deserved 1000 years ago.

BTW PGK this is the clown who thinks he is Persian!!! Living in India for 1000 years, not speaking the language. Worshipping a twisted corrupt form of Zoroastrianism!!!
 
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The number of laws and restriction governing the life of non-Muslims got worst after the first four orthodox caliphs. Originally most Iranians remained Zoroastrian despite the fact that by remaining true to their faith they had no place in the new power structure. However his would not last for long and forced conversions would sooner or later end the legacy of Zoroastrianism in Iran. "The Arab commander, Qutaiba, thrice forced citizens of Bukhara to convert to Islam, but they repeatedly apostatized and became infidels. The fourth time he seized the city and established Islam there after much difficulty he made their religion very difficult for them in every way. Qutaiba ordered people of Bukhara to give one half of their homes to the Arabs. He built mosques and eradicated traces of unbelief. He built a grand mosque and ordered the people to perform the Friday prayers there. That place had been a temple".

Thousands of Iranians were enslaved by Arabs one way to get out of slavery was to become Muslims since Muslims could not be enslaved and as a result many converted. All these pressures, humiliation at the time of paying jizya, deliberate destruction of temples and forced conversions resulted in massive conversions. There are accounts of Muslim rulers forcing mass circumcision on the newly converted males to make sure they had truly become Muslims. The Arab governor of Sogdia was faced with 7000 males reconverting back to Zoroastrianism once circumcision was forced on them. Tabari records that Arab tax collectors in the eight-century would mistreat Zoroastrians, tearing off the sacred girdle and hanging it round their necks in derision.

The worst blow to the old faith and Iranian nationalism in general was struck under the Umayyads when the use of Middle Persian, written in Pahlavi script was abandoned by the administration and Arabic was used instead. The change imposed around 700 AD, emphasized the permanence of the Arab presence in Iran and enforced a widespread knowledge of Arabic and further separated the Muslim Iranians from their Zoroastrian past. Massive efforts were made by many Iranians to save the ancient heritage by translating Pahlavi books into Arabic and eventually new Persian. Most literature that is saved from pre-Islamic Persia was preserved this way, the most famous was the great Sasanian chronicle, the "Khwaday Namag" that was translated into elegant Arabic. Ferdowsi’s brilliant translation of the text into modern Persian "Shahnameh" has preserved the ancient Zoroastrian myths and accounts of the Persian history and has made this book one of the most important works in Persian language and a cultural icon.

A further blow came when Iranian Muslims succeeded in shaping a tradition, which made Islam, appear as a partly Iranian religion by appropriating the Iranian Shiite movement. A legend was made that Husayn, son of Ali the fourth caliph had married a captive Sasanian Princess called Shahrbanu, the "Lady of the Land". This wholly fictitious character was held to have born Husayn a son and as a result Iranians supported Shiite movement and descendents of Ali claiming the caliphate to be their right. The movement led to the victory of Abbasid dynasty (claiming descent from the prophet) against the Umayyad in 750 AD. The Abbasids revived the magnificence of the Sasanian court and their authoritarianism in religious matters. They employed many Iranians at the beginning but gradually executed and eliminated most including Abu-Moslem Khurasani who was responsible for restoring caliphate to Abbasid.

The Abassids proved deadly foes for Zoroastrianism, and it was during their epoch that Islam took root and flourished in Iran. Islam on the other hand during this process grew steadily more Zoroastrianized, with adaptations of funerary rites and purity laws, and a cult of 12 saints (imams) springing up in place of the veneration of 12 eyzads. The saviour (Saoshyant) was replaced by the "Time Lord" (Imam Zaman) who is believed by the Shiites to be hidden and who will, like Saoshyant appear at the end of the time, restore the faith, and fill the earth with justice by defeating the Satanic forces.

By 9th century there were still fire temples around and the surviving Avestan texts were put together but already one division out of twenty one was wholly lost. Masudi the historian visiting the city of Istakhr in 9th century describes the devastation and how the once magnificent city with its temple complex and massive library was laid waste and deserted. 40,000 Persians including most of the noble and learned families of the time had died during the Arab conquest trying to defend and save the city. In 10th century local Iranian dynasties all vigorously Muslim were emerging as largely independent vessels of the Caliphs. Among them was the Samanid of Khurasan (874-999) who claimed descent from Vahram Choben nevertheless abandoned Zoroastrianism as a favor to the ruling caliph. It is at this time that a group of Zoroastrians from Khurasan left Iran for India and formed the Parsi community of Zoroastrians in Gujarat.

The new community in India was mostly able to practice their religion freely without fear from the local Indian governments and has prospered and evolved parallel to the original community in Iran. They were able to provide moral, educational and financial support to the Zoroastrians in Iran during the 19th and early 20th century.

Early in 11th century the Seljuk Turks swept into Iran from Central Asia. They were mostly Muslims and embraced Islam with fervor and with their distant relatives Ghaznavid started another reign of terror with massacres, burning of the books and forced conversions. Afterwards, came the even more dreadful Mongol invasions (13th century), which ended both Seljuk and the Caliphate in Baghdad and laid entire provinces into waste and destroyed thousands of priceless books throughout the area from all faiths. Zoroastrians lost most of their books including copies of the Sasanian Avesta. Fars was one of the few provinces that was saved from the Mongol invasion by submitting to their rule. The Zoroastrian community of Fars confined to a few cities in the north, namely Yazd and Kirman survived with their literature. Their texts combined with those saved by the Parsis of India forms most of the literature that is left from the ancient religion and Sasanian Pahlavi manuscripts. During the next two centuries efforts were made to copy and preserve the few remaining texts some in private collections kept by the learned Zoroastrian families.

From the 16th to 18th century Zoroastrians like Jews and Christians suffered greatly at the hands of Safavid rulers. Zealous Shi’ites Safavid had oppressive policies with respect to religious minorities and have one of the worst records with respect to human rights in Iran. Shah Abbas the Great brought many Zoroastrians called "Gaur" or "Gabr" since the Muslim conquest (meaning infidels) into Isfahan to use as labor. The European traveler Pietro della Valle visiting the site reported that the Gaurs were settled in a suburb containing some 3000 houses, all low single storied, without any adornment, suited to the poverty of those who inhabit them.

Chardin another traveler visiting the Safavid court points out that these ancient Persians "have gentle and simple ways, and live peaceably under the guidance of their elders, from among whom they elect their magistrate". Tavernier in 17th century made remarks about the hardship Zoroastrian women suffered because of purity laws concerning menstruation. They were isolated during this period and could not touch fire or water since they were regarded as impure. The isolation would end by bathing and a minor feast. It is also mentioned by the travelers that the Zoroastrian women were not veiled and unlike Muslim women did not shy away from strange men and did not follow the segregation of sexes as Muslims did.

The Zoroastrians could not escape tyranny. Legend has it that Shah Abbas heard about a magnificent book of the Gaurs written by Abraham and preserved by them in one of their libraries. He orders the leaders to bring the book to him and since no book by Abraham could have been produced he ordered the Zoroastrian leaders to be executed.

The Afghans overthrew the Safavids and in the process totally destroyed the Zoroastrian quarter, the Gabr-Mahalle, that was located outside the city walls in Kerman. Very few survived and the neighborhood was never rebuilt again and ruins of the settlement existed till mid 20th century. Like other religious minorities they had a few years of peace under the Zand dynasty but were harassed and violated under the Qajars.

A turning point for Zoroastrians came with the European scholars becoming interested in the Zoroastrian literature in 18th century. At the time the Parsi community of India had thrived while the Iranians were struggling to survive. Orientalists from a number of European countries associated with major universities and institutes studied, collected and translated texts in India and eventually Iran. In mid 18th century the French scholar, Anquetil du Perron produced the first relatively accurate translation of Avesta from the Indian collection into a modern European language. The translations included the surviving Avestan texts, with ritual instructions and many valuable personal observations on the customs and rituals of the Parses, as well as a translation of the Pahlavi Bundahishn. Though currently totally out of date, the translations opened the way for more than a century of scholarly research on the ancient religion and the forgotten adherents of the fate in Iran and India. The translations amazed and shocked the Europeans and Zoroastrianism at last found its rightful place in the evolution of the revealed religions in the area.

The constitutional revolution of the 1906 created a new concept of citizenship based on nationality rather than religious affiliation. Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians became citizens of the country though they were still barred from many high ranking positions that were only open to Shiite Muslims. The Baha’i were never recognized as legitimate citizens. By 1900 the community was still concentrated in Yazd and vicinity with Sharif Abad as the center of priesthood. By 1970"s majority of Zoroastrians had moved to Tehran. The Pahlavi reign was the best period with respect to religious and cultural freedoms and Zoroastrians with other religious minorities prospered and for the first time the Iranian Zoroastrian community did as good as or better than the Parsi community in India. In fact Parsi members were encouraged to come back and settle down in Iran.

The first World Zoroastrian Congress was held in Tehran in 1960. The two major communities in Iran and India sought reform and modernization and some aspects of the ancient doctrines were revised and modernized. Pahlavis promoted ancient pre-Islamic Persia and new archaeological evidence with numerous studies, translations and first class work by qualified researchers produced groundbreaking literature in understanding Zoroastrianism. The Iranian researcher, Ibrahim Pur Davoud, popularized Zoroastrianism amongst all Iranians by his translations of Avestan texts into modern Persian. Professor Mary Boyce from London University is one of the most important researches who have made great contributions to Zoroastrian studies.

The Islamic revolution once again has reduced the religious minorities to second class citizens and the events of the last two decades have resulted in massive immigration of all religious minorities including Zoroastrians. Currently USA, Canada and UK along with the Parsi community in India have become the main centers where Zoroastrians live and have established fire temples where the ancient flames are kept burning.

Source: Zoroaster and Zoroastrians in Iran by Massoume Price

::| Culture of IRAN |:: Zoroaster and Zoroastrians in Iran
 
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The number of laws and restriction governing the life of non-Muslims got worst after the first four orthodox caliphs. Originally most Iranians remained Zoroastrian despite the fact that by remaining true to their faith they had no place in the new power structure. However his would not last for long and forced conversions would sooner or later end the legacy of Zoroastrianism in Iran. "The Arab commander, Qutaiba, thrice forced citizens of Bukhara to convert to Islam, but they repeatedly apostatized and became infidels. The fourth time he seized the city and established Islam there after much difficulty he made their religion very difficult for them in every way. Qutaiba ordered people of Bukhara to give one half of their homes to the Arabs. He built mosques and eradicated traces of unbelief. He built a grand mosque and ordered the people to perform the Friday prayers there. That place had been a temple". Thousands of Iranians were enslaved by Arabs one way to get out of slavery was to become Muslims since Muslims could not be enslaved and as a result many converted. All these pressures, humiliation at the time of paying jizya, deliberate destruction of temples and forced conversions resulted in massive conversions. There are accounts of Muslim rulers forcing mass circumcision on the newly converted males to make sure they had truly become Muslims. The Arab governor of Sogdia was faced with 7000 males reconverting back to Zoroastrianism once circumcision was forced on them. Tabari records that Arab tax collectors in the eight-century would mistreat Zoroastrians, tearing off the sacred girdle and hanging it round their necks in derision.

The worst blow to the old faith and Iranian nationalism in general was struck under the Umayyads when the use of Middle Persian, written in Pahlavi script was abandoned by the administration and Arabic was used instead. The change imposed around 700 AD, emphasized the permanence of the Arab presence in Iran and enforced a widespread knowledge of Arabic and further separated the Muslim Iranians from their Zoroastrian past. Massive efforts were made by many Iranians to save the ancient heritage by translating Pahlavi books into Arabic and eventually new Persian. Most literature that is saved from pre-Islamic Persia was preserved this way, the most famous was the great Sasanian chronicle, the "Khwaday Namag" that was translated into elegant Arabic. Ferdowsi’s brilliant translation of the text into modern Persian "Shahnameh" has preserved the ancient Zoroastrian myths and accounts of the Persian history and has made this book one of the most important works in Persian language and a cultural icon.

A further blow came when Iranian Muslims succeeded in shaping a tradition, which made Islam, appear as a partly Iranian religion by appropriating the Iranian Shiite movement. A legend was made that Husayn, son of Ali the fourth caliph had married a captive Sasanian Princess called Shahrbanu, the "Lady of the Land". This wholly fictitious character was held to have born Husayn a son and as a result Iranians supported Shiite movement and descendents of Ali claiming the caliphate to be their right. The movement led to the victory of Abbasid dynasty (claiming descent from the prophet) against the Umayyad in 750 AD. The Abbasids revived the magnificence of the Sasanian court and their authoritarianism in religious matters. They employed many Iranians at the beginning but gradually executed and eliminated most including Abu-Moslem Khurasani who was responsible for restoring caliphate to Abbasid.

The Abassids proved deadly foes for Zoroastrianism, and it was during their epoch that Islam took root and flourished in Iran. Islam on the other hand during this process grew steadily more Zoroastrianized, with adaptations of funerary rites and purity laws, and a cult of 12 saints (imams) springing up in place of the veneration of 12 eyzads. The saviour (Saoshyant) was replaced by the "Time Lord" (Imam Zaman) who is believed by the Shiites to be hidden and who will, like Saoshyant appear at the end of the time, restore the faith, and fill the earth with justice by defeating the Satanic forces.

By 9th century there were still fire temples around and the surviving Avestan texts were put together but already one division out of twenty one was wholly lost. Masudi the historian visiting the city of Istakhr in 9th century describes the devastation and how the once magnificent city with its temple complex and massive library was laid waste and deserted. 40,000 Persians including most of the noble and learned families of the time had died during the Arab conquest trying to defend and save the city. In 10th century local Iranian dynasties all vigorously Muslim were emerging as largely independent vessels of the Caliphs. Among them was the Samanid of Khurasan (874-999) who claimed descent from Vahram Choben nevertheless abandoned Zoroastrianism as a favor to the ruling caliph. It is at this time that a group of Zoroastrians from Khurasan left Iran for India and formed the Parsi community of Zoroastrians in Gujarat.

The new community in India was mostly able to practice their religion freely without fear from the local Indian governments and has prospered and evolved parallel to the original community in Iran. They were able to provide moral, educational and financial support to the Zoroastrians in Iran during the 19th and early 20th century.

Early in 11th century the Seljuk Turks swept into Iran from Central Asia. They were mostly Muslims and embraced Islam with fervor and with their distant relatives Ghaznavid started another reign of terror with massacres, burning of the books and forced conversions. Afterwards, came the even more dreadful Mongol invasions (13th century), which ended both Seljuk and the Caliphate in Baghdad and laid entire provinces into waste and destroyed thousands of priceless books throughout the area from all faiths. Zoroastrians lost most of their books including copies of the Sasanian Avesta. Fars was one of the few provinces that was saved from the Mongol invasion by submitting to their rule. The Zoroastrian community of Fars confined to a few cities in the north, namely Yazd and Kirman survived with their literature. Their texts combined with those saved by the Parsis of India forms most of the literature that is left from the ancient religion and Sasanian Pahlavi manuscripts. During the next two centuries efforts were made to copy and preserve the few remaining texts some in private collections kept by the learned Zoroastrian families.

From the 16th to 18th century Zoroastrians like Jews and Christians suffered greatly at the hands of Safavid rulers. Zealous Shi’ites Safavid had oppressive policies with respect to religious minorities and have one of the worst records with respect to human rights in Iran. Shah Abbas the Great brought many Zoroastrians called "Gaur" or "Gabr" since the Muslim conquest (meaning infidels) into Isfahan to use as labor. The European traveler Pietro della Valle visiting the site reported that the Gaurs were settled in a suburb containing some 3000 houses, all low single storied, without any adornment, suited to the poverty of those who inhabit them.

Chardin another traveler visiting the Safavid court points out that these ancient Persians "have gentle and simple ways, and live peaceably under the guidance of their elders, from among whom they elect their magistrate". Tavernier in 17th century made remarks about the hardship Zoroastrian women suffered because of purity laws concerning menstruation. They were isolated during this period and could not touch fire or water since they were regarded as impure. The isolation would end by bathing and a minor feast. It is also mentioned by the travelers that the Zoroastrian women were not veiled and unlike Muslim women did not shy away from strange men and did not follow the segregation of sexes as Muslims did.
The Zoroastrians could not escape tyranny. Legend has it that Shah Abbas heard about a magnificent book of the Gaurs written by Abraham and preserved by them in one of their libraries. He orders the leaders to bring the book to him and since no book by Abraham could have been produced he ordered the Zoroastrian leaders to be executed.

The Afghans overthrew the Safavids and in the process totally destroyed the Zoroastrian quarter, the Gabr-Mahalle, that was located outside the city walls in Kerman. Very few survived and the neighborhood was never rebuilt again and ruins of the settlement existed till mid 20th century. Like other religious minorities they had a few years of peace under the Zand dynasty but were harassed and violated under the Qajars.

A turning point for Zoroastrians came with the European scholars becoming interested in the Zoroastrian literature in 18th century. At the time the Parsi community of India had thrived while the Iranians were struggling to survive. Orientalists from a number of European countries associated with major universities and institutes studied, collected and translated texts in India and eventually Iran. In mid 18th century the French scholar, Anquetil du Perron produced the first relatively accurate translation of Avesta from the Indian collection into a modern European language. The translations included the surviving Avestan texts, with ritual instructions and many valuable personal observations on the customs and rituals of the Parses, as well as a translation of the Pahlavi Bundahishn. Though currently totally out of date, the translations opened the way for more than a century of scholarly research on the ancient religion and the forgotten adherents of the fate in Iran and India. The translations amazed and shocked the Europeans and Zoroastrianism at last found its rightful place in the evolution of the revealed religions in the area.

The constitutional revolution of the 1906 created a new concept of citizenship based on nationality rather than religious affiliation. Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians became citizens of the country though they were still barred from many high ranking positions that were only open to Shiite Muslims. The Baha’i were never recognized as legitimate citizens. By 1900 the community was still concentrated in Yazd and vicinity with Sharif Abad as the center of priesthood. By 1970"s majority of Zoroastrians had moved to Tehran. The Pahlavi reign was the best period with respect to religious and cultural freedoms and Zoroastrians with other religious minorities prospered and for the first time the Iranian Zoroastrian community did as good as or better than the Parsi community in India. In fact Parsi members were encouraged to come back and settle down in Iran. The first World Zoroastrian Congress was held in Tehran in 1960. The two major communities in Iran and India sought reform and modernization and some aspects of the ancient doctrines were revised and modernized. Pahlavis promoted ancient pre-Islamic Persia and new archaeological evidence with numerous studies, translations and first class work by qualified researchers produced groundbreaking literature in understanding Zoroastrianism. The Iranian researcher, Ibrahim Pur Davoud, popularized Zoroastrianism amongst all Iranians by his translations of Avestan texts into modern Persian. Professor Mary Boyce from London University is one of the most important researches who have made great contributions to Zoroastrian studies.

The Islamic revolution once again has reduced the religious minorities to second class citizens and the events of the last two decades have resulted in massive immigration of all religious minorities including Zoroastrians. Currently USA, Canada and UK along with the Parsi community in India have become the main centers where Zoroastrians live and have established fire temples where the ancient flames are kept burning.

Source: Zoroaster and Zoroastrians in Iran by Massoume Price

::| Culture of IRAN |:: Zoroaster and Zoroastrians in Iran

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For real though why you mad? Is it because you worship the corrupt form of zoroastrianism that led to its demise in my motherland? And you had to be exiled to Gujurat? Tell me how much longer is your race going to survive? 50 years if your lucky?
 
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kêm-nâ mazdâ mavaitê pâyûm dadå hyat mâ dregvå dîdareshatâ aênanghê anyêm thwahmât âthrascâ mananghascâ ýayå shyaothanâish ashem thraoshtâ ahurâ tãm môi dãstvãm daênayâi frâvaocâ,

What protector hast thou given unto me, O Mazda! while the hate of the wicked encompasses me? Whom but thy Atar and Vohu-mano, through whose work I keep on the world of righteousness? Reveal therefore to me thy Religion as thy rule!

kê verethrem-jâ thwâ pôi sêñghâ ýôi heñtî cithrâ môi dãm ahûmbish ratûm cizhdî at hôi vohû seraoshô jañtû mananghâ mazdâ ahmâi ýahmâi vashî kahmâicît.

Who is the victorious who will protect thy teaching? Make it clear that I am the guide for both worlds. May Sraosha come with Vohu-mano and help whomsoever thou pleasest, O Mazda!

pâta-nô tbishyañtat pairi mazdåsca ârmaitishca speñtasca, nase daêvî druxsh nase daêvô-cithre nase daêvô-frakarshte nase daêvô-fradâiti, apa druxsh nase apa druxsh dvâra apa druxsh vînase apâxedhre apa-nasyehe mâ mereñcainîsh gaêthå astvaitîsh ashahe, nemascâ ýâ ârmaitish îzhâcâ. ashem vohû....

Keep us from our hater, O Mazda and Armaiti Spenta! Perish, O fiendish Druj! Perish, O brood of the fiend! Perish, O creation of the fiend! Perish, O world of the fiend! Perish away, O Druj! Rush away, O Druj! Perish away, O Druj! Perish away to the regions of the north, never more to give unto death the living world of Righteousness!

Kem na Mazda - our Zoroastrian prayer for Exorcism and to keep us safe from haters ......

who are gonna hate (coz that's all they can do)! :)
 
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kêm-nâ mazdâ mavaitê pâyûm dadå hyat mâ dregvå dîdareshatâ aênanghê anyêm thwahmât âthrascâ mananghascâ ýayå shyaothanâish ashem thraoshtâ ahurâ tãm môi dãstvãm daênayâi frâvaocâ,

What protector hast thou given unto me, O Mazda! while the hate of the wicked encompasses me? Whom but thy Atar and Vohu-mano, through whose work I keep on the world of righteousness? Reveal therefore to me thy Religion as thy rule!

kê verethrem-jâ thwâ pôi sêñghâ ýôi heñtî cithrâ môi dãm ahûmbish ratûm cizhdî at hôi vohû seraoshô jañtû mananghâ mazdâ ahmâi ýahmâi vashî kahmâicît.

Who is the victorious who will protect thy teaching? Make it clear that I am the guide for both worlds. May Sraosha come with Vohu-mano and help whomsoever thou pleasest, O Mazda!

pâta-nô tbishyañtat pairi mazdåsca ârmaitishca speñtasca, nase daêvî druxsh nase daêvô-cithre nase daêvô-frakarshte nase daêvô-fradâiti, apa druxsh nase apa druxsh dvâra apa druxsh vînase apâxedhre apa-nasyehe mâ mereñcainîsh gaêthå astvaitîsh ashahe, nemascâ ýâ ârmaitish îzhâcâ. ashem vohû....

Keep us from our hater, O Mazda and Armaiti Spenta! Perish, O fiendish Druj! Perish, O brood of the fiend! Perish, O creation of the fiend! Perish, O world of the fiend! Perish away, O Druj! Rush away, O Druj! Perish away, O Druj! Perish away to the regions of the north, never more to give unto death the living world of Righteousness!

Kem na Mazda - our Zoroastrian prayer for Exorcism and to keep us safe from haters ......

who are gonna hate (coz that's all they can do)! :)

Lol you probably don't know the language anyway... as it is not in Gujurati:rofl::rofl:

Look at the guy in your avatar, what was his name? Framji Hormusji!!! LOOL real Persian name bro... Its ok your corrupt form of zoroastrianism won't be tolerated for much longer (thank God) as your race is almost extinct.
 
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Humata - Good Thoughts

Hukhta - Good Words

Hvarshta - Good Deeds

When your Faith is gone, Language is the empty husk it leaves behind.
 
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Humata - Good Thoughts

Hukhta - Good Words

Hvarshta - Good Deeds

When your Faith is gone, Language is the empty husk it leaves behind.

Lol how do faith and language have anything to do with one another? Religions come and go, but culture and language stay.

You are nothing but a fossil, a dying breed. Now go ahead and be gone, because Iranians really don't give a crap about you. But obviously you care a lot about us :rofl:
 
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Lol you probably don't know the language anyway... as it is not in Gujurati:rofl::rofl:

Look at the guy in your avatar, what was his name? Framji Hormusji!!! LOOL real Persian name bro... Its ok your corrupt form of zoroastrianism won't be tolerated for much longer (thank God) as your race is almost extinct.

This is Avestan language, I am sure any Iranian hardly study that in School. Majority of us Indians learnt Sanskrit in school.

Lol how do faith and language have anything to do with one another? Religions come and go, but culture and language stay.

I think your present culture is heavily influenced by Arab culture and Turkish culture.
 
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I think your present culture is heavily influenced by Arab culture and Turkish culture.

Islam culture, yes. Turkic culture? Not even close. You talk nonsense here. We influenced the Turks, but vice versa not. Can you name a example?

But still most cultural elements in Iran are Persian. I'm a atheist, have a Persian name and celebrate Persian festivals. You tell me how Arab or Turkish I am.
 
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This is Avestan language, I am sure any Iranian hardly study that in School. Majority of us Indians learnt Sanskrit in school.



I think your present culture is heavily influenced by Arab culture and Turkish culture.

Look I have no problem with you, but if you continue to insult us Iranians expect to be trolled out of your mind. The same way we have shut up this wannabe Persian, we will do the same to you...
 
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This is Avestan language, I am sure any Iranian hardly study that in School. Majority of us Indians learnt Sanskrit in school.

Do you see the similarity? Truly uncanny when you realize that these two arms developed and evolved separately millenia back.
 
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Do you see the similarity? Truly uncanny when you realize that these two arms developed and evolved separately millenia back.

:offtopic:

If you want to compare Avestan and Sanskrit (My grandfather is a professor and author on Avestan language) then open up a separate thread for it. This section is about Alexander the great compared to Iranian kings.
 
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If the thread goes off topic I'll have to delete some posts. Please refrain from going off topic. Thanks in advance
 
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