Alarm bells for China, Pakistan; India eyes S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems

[Dungeness]

You expect Turkey to purchase weapons from Russia with whom they had frequent run ins of late ?

Case 2 in Point: J-11B vs Su-27sk

 

[$@rJen]

China is way ahead now they already have YJ-12 ARM with 400km range operational and they had some role in development of S-400 so they had no issues in neutralizing it.

Russia has been pushing S-400 sale to China before India.

Sold: Russian S-400 Missile Defense Systems to China | The Diplomat

S-400 can make problems for Pakistan but that is not impossible to counter specially when we have friends like China and Turkey.

Sir.... S-400 battery can't shoot down S-400... Yes It can protect against Indian Jets and Missiles and so do our S-400 against Chinese Jets and Missiles(if ever we buy them) so threat still exists for both countries.. yes as for Pakistan.. how you're going to fund them??? The Interceptors costs are 5 times the costs of the missiles... its the very reason Pakistan didn't fund for a BMD system s for and increased the Nuclear missiles.

Russia needs China more than Russia needs India. China can simply ask Russia not to sell them this system.

Really then why havn't they stopped us buying MKI, Nuc Sub, FGFA and a F'king Carrier??? the fact is Russia Doesn't give a f about China... The recent Russian Chinese relation improvments was because of the Russian economy crisis.. LoL India buys more weapons from Russia than China... do you realy think Russia will throw away everything??? You pakistanis are so funny.. just a month ago you people were ssaying time for Russia to drop India and look into Pakistan.... Are you Serious what can Pakistan Provide???

Case in point: HQ-9 vs S-300 cheaper and better, that is why it wins the Turkey bid.

Cheaper Yes... Better?????

 

[Basel]

Sir.... S-400 battery can't shoot down S-400... Yes It can protect against Indian Jets and Missiles and so do our S-400 against Chinese Jets and Missiles(if ever we buy them) so threat still exists for both countries.. yes as for Pakistan.. how you're going to fund them??? The Interceptors costs are 5 times the costs of the missiles... its the very reason Pakistan didn't fund for a BMD system s for and increased the Nuclear missiles.



Really then why havn't they stopped us buying MKI, Nuc Sub, FGFA and a F'king Carrier??? the fact is Russia Doesn't give a f about China... The recent Russian Chinese relation improvments was because of the Russian economy crisis.. LoL India buys more weapons from Russia than China... do you realy think Russia will throw away everything??? You pakistanis are so funny.. just a month ago you people were ssaying time for Russia to drop India and look into Pakistan.... Are you Serious what can Pakistan Provide???



Cheaper Yes... Better?????

China knows S-400 system which means they can counter them. Pakistan needs to get YJ-12 ARM with 400 km range in numbers with capable jet to carry them to handle any SAM threat from IA, IAF & IN.

 

[applesauce]

alarm bells? im pretty sure given the ties between india and russia, china would have known ages ago that eventually india will probably get its hands on the s-400. meaning this isnt news to china what so ever.

 

[dadeechi]

alarm bells? im pretty sure given the ties between india and russia, china would have known ages ago that eventually india will probably get its hands on the s-400. meaning this isnt news to china what so ever.

Knowing the ability of the opponents and having the ability to counter the same are two separate things.

 

[applesauce]

Knowing the ability of the opponents and having the ability to counter the same are two separate things.

but knowing the potential ability earlier on allows one to start working on a counter earlier as well.

 

[Areesh]

China knows S-400 system which means they can counter them. Pakistan needs to get YJ-12 ARM with 400 km range in numbers with capable jet to carry them to handle any SAM threat from IA, IAF & IN.

But who will carry YJ12 ARM in PAF? It is a very heavy missile I think.

 

[dadeechi]

but knowing the potential ability earlier on allows one to start working on a counter earlier as well.

True. I was only responding to you down playing the significance of this deal, if and when it may happen.

 

[Dungeness]

Cheaper Yes... Better?????

This is a typical Indian's mentality in display. You are brainwashed by your media and the western propaganda, and your own racial bias and arrogance, and believe Chinese is not capable of innovating. If you understand the Chinese's philosophy in developing its own defense industries, and all its Hi Tech for that matter, you would not have LOLed, instead, a chill should run down on your spine. You simply have no idea how those Chinese engineers in defense industries worked, 7-11 and 5+2 if necessary, all without overtime pay and proud of it! Beat that!

Chinese believe in this philosophy of industrialization: learn-comprehend-improve-innovate. It is a long, painful and costly process, nevertheless, we have been seeing the results coming out from this process. And you are going to see more of these in the coming years.

Take Mig-21 for example, while your HAL assembled aging Mig-21BS falling out of sky like rocks, Chinese new J-7s, which is also "copied and pasted" from Mig-21, are selling like hot cakes around the world. And now, you have to use your remaining mig-21s to face brand new JF-17s which also has some DNA inherited from mig-21. Now, are you still sure you have the nerve to laugh?

 

[applesauce]

True. I was only responding to you down playing the significance of this deal, if and when it may happen.

i'm not downplaying the significance of the deal, after all the s-400 is a very good state of the art piece of equipment, one that china may receive as well. i'm merely saying that "alarm bells" is is not quite the word for its effects on china.

 

[cloud_9]

Alarm Bells? The Russians haven't even agreed to hold talks to sell these goodies!

 

[Basel]

But who will carry YJ12 ARM in PAF? It is a very heavy missile I think.

Here where Pakistan need Su-35 or J-11 D or higher series because they can perform variety of missions without escort.

 

[Areesh]

Here where Pakistan need Su-35 or J-11 D or higher series because they can perform variety of missions without escort.

J11D is the best option for PAF. AESA radar, Chinese engine, better EW, more hardpoints etc. But I am confused that whether PAF would go for 4.5 gen heavy fighter like J11D or would rather wait for 5th gen fighter from China.

 

[Basel]

J11D is the best option for PAF. AESA radar, Chinese engine, better EW, more hardpoints etc. But I am confused that whether PAF would go for 4.5 gen heavy fighter like J11D or would rather wait for 5th gen fighter from China.

Pakistan will need both and 5th gen is not coming soon so immediately 4++ gen jets are needed.

 

[My-Analogous]

make sure it is made in Japan or S.Korea. Market is flooded with trashy made in China junk that keeps time once a day!

BTW this is a strange pattern: everytime Modi takes of to some country India buys something from that country!

Please check your keyboard, its made in China and working very well