Al Qaeda -All roads lead to Karachi

[muse]

Intelligence agencies are learnt to have identified as many as two dozen extremist militant and sectarian outfits operating in Karachi who may face a crackdown once the hunt for politically-backed target killers is over.

Ridiculous!! Readers are expected to think that this problem is somehow new, it isn't and readers are expected to believe that so called "intelligence" agencies have only now identified Sunni extremist groups funded by Arab money and Shi'ah extremist groups funded by Iranian monies -- Lets take it at face value, if it is true that it is now, after 32 plus years of the existence of such groups that the so called "intelligence" agencies have identified them, what does it say about the role of the state(and you know which institution the state (army) in perpetuating, if not organizing such groups and facilitating funding for the them?

Friends, do not allow yourselves to be the victims of these kinds of "official" news articles who purpose is to confuse you - fact of the matter is that the Pakistani state prefers this kind of sectarian terror, because it keeps people's attention away from the goings on at the level of the state -- in the same way that we are told that the Pakistan army is too stretched to kill of Islamist insurgents (and yet see no national effort to recruit and train vast numbers to kill of insurgencies), in the same way that we are told that the "intelligence" agencies have just awoken to the threat of armed politics -- So what's ordinary Pakistanis to do? Arm yourselves and prepare - the Pakistani state led by the Pakistan army is itself the puppeteer of this sectarianism and has itself nurtured those it today identifies as islamist insurgents, Do you really want to trust them with the lives of your family and your property? You would be foolish to do so.

 

[SQ8]

Ridiculous!! Readers are expected to think that this problem is somehow new, it isn't and readers are expected to believe that so called "intelligence" agencies have only now identified Sunni extremist groups funded by Arab money and Shi'ah extremist groups funded by Iranian monies -- Lets take it at face value, if it is true that it is now, after 32 plus years of the existence of such groups that the so called "intelligence" agencies have identified them, what does it say about the role of the state(and you know which institution the state (army) in perpetuating, if not organizing such groups and facilitating funding for the them?

Friends, do not allow yourselves to be the victims of these kinds of "official" news articles who purpose is to confuse you - fact of the matter is that the Pakistani state prefers this kind of sectarian terror, because it keeps people's attention away from the goings on at the level of the state -- in the same way that we are told that the Pakistan army is too stretched to kill of Islamist insurgents (and yet see no national effort to recruit and train vast numbers to kill of insurgencies), in the same way that we are told that the "intelligence" agencies have just awoken to the threat of armed politics -- So what's ordinary Pakistanis to do? Arm yourselves and prepare - the Pakistani state led by the Pakistan army is itself the puppeteer of this sectarianism and has itself nurtured those it today identifies as islamist insurgents, Do you really want to trust them with the lives of your family and your property? You would be foolish to do so.

It does make you wonder a little bit..How much more in the name of safeguarding the state.. will the state be torn apart...??

 

[pak-marine]

=muse;2123412]Ridiculous!! Readers are expected to think that this problem is somehow new, it isn't and readers are expected to believe that so called "intelligence" agencies have only now identified Sunni extremist groups funded by Arab money and Shi'ah extremist groups funded by Iranian monies -- Lets take it at face value, if it is true that it is now, after 32 plus years of the existence of such groups that the so called "intelligence" agencies have identified them, what does it say about the role of the state(and you know which institution the state (army) in perpetuating, if not organizing such groups and facilitating funding for the them?

Extremists were and are establishments strategic assets ! like the rest of Pakistan similar is the case in Karachi , These fundo militant organisations were/are kept on purpose on ground , its an open secret ,in what wisdom i dont know !?

While we have an ongoing operation in karachi it would be stupid to un-arm respective political parties as they serve as a thin line of defence between civilians and militants .. If they are removed or unarmed by force there is nothing stopping taliban and AQ taking over Karachi.

 

[muse]

its the usual old news deep states strategic assets went rouge .. the Frankenstein monster is killing its master , thus why change in story or strategy ..! alarming thing is current operation if they are disarming the political parties than its plain stupid if this is done on purpose than i just wonder WHY and in what wisdom !!? as its the only line of defense between un-armed civilians and the mullah lot.r family and your property? You would be foolish to do so.

I had a problem trying to understand what you had written and what the point of it was --Any chance you can clarify ? perhaps a better written and organized paragraph?

 

[Donatello]

It does make you wonder a little bit..How much more in the name of safeguarding the state.. will the state be torn apart...??

Sir,

That's what the policy makers at GHQ don't understand.......that if Pakistan is history, so is their Army.......they shouldn't cut open the goose that lays them the golden egg........

 

[aarizahmad]

Informative thread

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Karachi is at Al-Qaeda's target

 

[muse]

Sir,

That's what the policy makers at GHQ don't understand.......that if Pakistan is history, so is their Army.......they shouldn't cut open the goose that lays them the golden egg........

What leads you to believe that GHQ does not understand?? Why this denial?


Below is the view of the US administration about AQ and Pakistan, post OBL



Is Al Qaeda on the ropes?
Bruce Riedel (Perspective)

20 September 2011, 6:58 PM
The reported killing of another Al Qaeda commander in Pakistan earlier this week demonstrates the pressure the US is putting on the terrorists there. But does it also mean that Al Qaeda’s core is on the verge of collapse, as some suggest? There the picture is much more complicated.

Abu Hafs al-Shahri, a Saudi, had been a Qaeda operative for years. According to Saudi media accounts, he operated in Syria for several years before moving to Pakistan. He is alleged to have been chief of operations for Al Qaeda in Pakistan when he died. His demise comes after the death of Osama bin Laden in May and the recovery of a library of data from his hideout in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The exploitation of that library has clearly been a great boon to counterterrorist operations. Senior Qaeda officials like Muhammad Ilyas Kashmiri and Atiyah Abd Al-Rahman have reportedly been killed since then, and at least one, a Mauritanian, has been captured by the Pakistanis.

No one disputes that these attacks are damaging al Qaeda’s old core in Pakistan. Analysts inside and outside the government are divided, however, on how badly this weakens Al Qaeda’s global threat and even its Pakistan base. Those who argue it is decimating Al Qaeda rightly note that the organisation has lost its charismatic founder and a bench of key operatives in short order. If the momentum is sustained, Al Qaeda’s original order of battle will be dismantled. Often it is argued that Al Qaeda has also been ideologically caught off balance by the Arab revolutions, which it had nothing to do with starting. But even the advocates of Al Qaeda in decline are usually quick to note that its offshoots in Yemen, North Africa, and other locations are still very dangerous and in some cases getting more so, especially in Yemen, which is heading toward civil war. And all analysts agree al Qaeda’s message still seems to inspire self-radicalised extremists inside the US and Europe who, like the Fort Hood killer, may be very dangerous.

The skeptics note that Al Qaeda’s obituary has been announced before, more than once. In the wake of the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, Abu Zubayda, and several other senior Qaeda operatives years ago, we read articles reporting that it was on the verge of defeat. A Washington Post headline in 2003 announced, “Al Qaeda’s Top Primed to Collapse, US Says.” Former Pakistani dictator Pervez Musharraf said in 2006 that with the US, “Pakistan has shattered the Al Qaeda network in the region; it has ceased to exist as a homogenous force capable of undertaking coordinated operations.” Of course in March 2003 Al Qaeda blew up subway trains in Madrid, killing 191 and wounding 1,755; in July 2005 it blew up trains in London, killing and wounding dozens more — attacks we now know were linked to the Qaeda core in Pakistan. And while Musharraf was proclaiming Al Qaeda’s death, Osama bin Laden was living a mile away from the military academy Musharraf graduated from. He has even admitted that as president he jogged past the hideout for several years. So is it different this time? Ayman Zawahiri, bin Laden’s replacement, took on the issue in an hour-long message released this week by Al Qaeda to mark the 10th anniversary of 9/11. The message included previously unseen images of bin Laden and also Zawahiri’s analysis of how the terror group has fared over the past decade. He notes that “Washington, Tel Aviv, and NATO” are claiming we “won and Al Qaeda has lost.”

His counterargument is that our allies are collapsing all over the Arab world like flies, leaders such as Hosni Mubarak, Muammar Gaddafi, Ali Abdullah Saleh, Bashar Al Assad… all of whom have been fighting Al Qaeda relentlessly for the past decade and helping America kill and capture its leaders. Then, he says, look at the war in Afghanistan, and he highlights the descriptions in Bob Woodward’s book Obama’s Wars of the intense battles inside the White House about whether the war is winnable and the growing calls in America and Europe to get out. One thing is certain. We cannot rely on Pakistan’s government, Army, and ISI to deal with this threat. Whether they were clueless about bin Laden’s hideout for half a decade or complicit in hiding him, we cannot rely on them. Incompetent or worse, they are not reliable. So we need to retain a capability for the foreseeable future to operate inside Pakistan when we need to take out dangerous targets, whether by drones or SEALs. The geography is simple; only Afghanistan offers that base. That doesn’t mean we need 140,000 NATO troops in Afghanistan indefinitely, but we also can’t just cut and run either. Ironically, Pakistan’s unreliability makes Afghanistan more important.

Bruce Riedel, a former longtime CIA officer, is a senior fellow in the Saban Center at the Brookings Institution. At President Obama’s request, he chaired the strategic review of policy toward Afghanistan and Pakistan in 2009

 

[Areesh]

This busts the myth of target killings + all the unrest in karachi and proves who are really behind the terrorism , in other words what the writer is saying its Al Qaeda (the base ) is actually Karachi ... this is how our establishment is playing double games keeping things far away from their homes they are using karachi as a base to serve their agendas ... God damn these people ...... we karachietes have been through hell all these years i hope these people meet the same fate for the rest of their lives and after life may they burn in hell

How should we take this post of yours. Your hatred for Alqaida and alleged clandestine relation between AQ and Pakistan establishment or a pathetic attempt of face saving for the MQM for it's "non violent" activities in Karachi. Please tell us.

 

[pak-marine]

I had a problem trying to understand what you had written and what the point of it was --Any chance you can clarify ? perhaps a better written and organized paragraph?

yep sorry , event i couldnt comprehend what i wrote any way Post edited

 

[pak-marine]

How should we take this post of yours. Your hatred for Alqaida and alleged clandestine relation between AQ and Pakistan establishment or a pathetic attempt of face saving for the MQM for it's "non violent" activities in Karachi. Please tell us.

this article is written by a national newspaper , so thats my source .. whats yours ?

 

[President Camacho]

What leads you to believe that GHQ does not understand?? Why this denial?


Below is the view of the US administration about AQ and Pakistan, post OBL



Is Al Qaeda on the ropes?
Bruce Riedel (Perspective)

20 September 2011, 6:58 PM


Abu Hafs al-Shahri, a Saudi, had been a Qaeda operative for years. According to Saudi media accounts, he operated in Syria for several years before moving to Pakistan. He is alleged to have been chief of operations for Al Qaeda in Pakistan when he died. His demise comes after the death of Osama bin Laden in May and the recovery of a library of data from his hideout in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

One thing is certain. We cannot rely on Pakistan’s government, Army, and ISI to deal with this threat. Whether they were clueless about bin Laden’s hideout for half a decade or complicit in hiding him, we cannot rely on them. Incompetent or worse, they are not reliable. So we need to retain a capability for the foreseeable future to operate inside Pakistan when we need to take out dangerous targets, whether by drones or SEALs. .

Sounds so unbelievable, but the ISPR claimed it had not even heard of someone by the name of Abu Hafs al Shihri. With Al Qaeda being the biggest enemy of Pakistan at the moment, is it incompetency, or sheer complicity on the part of the ISI?

 

[Areesh]

this article is written by a national newspaper , so thats my source .. whats yours ?

All those national newspapers which directly or indirectly points towards MQM's significant involvement in violent and militant activities.

 

[graphican]

This busts the myth of target killings + all the unrest in karachi and proves who are really behind the terrorism , in other words what the writer is saying its Al Qaeda (the base ) is actually Karachi ... this is how our establishment is playing double games keeping things far away from their homes they are using karachi as a base to serve their agendas ... God damn these people ...... we karachietes have been through hell all these years i hope these people meet the same fate for the rest of their lives and after life may they burn in hell

Pak Marine,

I wish you would think being Independent of MQM lover someday. Just that.

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This busts the myth of target killings + all the unrest in karachi and proves who are really behind the terrorism , in other words what the writer is saying its Al Qaeda (the base ) is actually Karachi ... this is how our establishment is playing double games keeping things far away from their homes they are using karachi as a base to serve their agendas ... God damn these people ...... we karachietes have been through hell all these years i hope these people meet the same fate for the rest of their lives and after life may they burn in hell

Pak Marine,

I wish you would think being Independent of MQM lover someday. Alqaida is eveywhere in the country but the terrorist and target killing blaze only happens in Karachi. Some minds need to think why is it Karachi only?