Al-Khalid tank (Type 90-IIM / MBT-2000) Information Pool

[Blacklight]

This thread is supposed to be an"information pool", but we have trolls destroying this thread. Someone needs to put a stop to this.

 

[Mrc]

Can we merge a ground surveillance radar with alkhalid 1???

 

[Smriti95]

Ok sure.

Do post , MODP or DEPO report stating Mushak sales, JF sales or any other weapons sale.

Im waiting.



This entire thread is about AK project.

From its origins to its systems.

As for sales if BD VTA1. I dont need too. When ive already given you solid proof of joint Pak-China marketing of the tank... that should be enough!

Not even talking about Pak participatiom and development of the tank to begin with.


You keep quoting an almost 3 year old figure (330 in service-50 under production) ... yet that isnt even the point.



Last customer was burma.. you tool.

Morroco isnt even a confirmed buyer.. no actual record/pic of MBT-2000 in morrocan service exists.


So much for a third rate source like “army guide”.


The only confirmed users are;

Bangladesh
Peru
Myanmar


Says the troll.. who has nothing but second rate websites to prove..

And has constantly contradicted his own statements.

The wording of the MODP report makes it clear that they are taking about total production and not just delivery to Pakistan Army: "Production progress during financial year 2012-13 is as under".

Anyways The UN Arms register regards the sale of VT1A to Bangladesh as a Chinese sale:

China exported a total of 461 tanks from 1992 to 2013, according to the United Nations' Register of Conventional Arms, which began to record conventional weapons transfers between UN member states in 1992. Pakistan bought 296 Chinese tanks during the two decades.
Russia sold 1,297 tanks during the same period, with Algeria being the largest buyer.
The biggest tank exporter during the period was the United States, which reported sales of 5,511 tanks. It was followed by Germany, which sold 2,680 tanks.
In 2013, the latest year for which data is available, China sold 98 tanks to foreign buyers. Bangladesh, with a 44-tank deal, was the largest customer through, the UN said.

http://wap.chinadaily.com.cn/2015-06/05/content_20913353.htm

Anyways the marketing deal between HIT & NORINCO was signed only in November 2012, whereas Bangladesh ordered the tanks in June 2011

http://www.tribune.com.pk/story/462962/defence-production-hit-norinco-sign-marketing-sale-deal/

 

[Signalian]

Can we merge a ground surveillance radar with alkhalid 1???

infantry uses it effectively on its own. installing on AK as a package will increase cost. tanks cant maneuver in all terrains to get best results from radar. also infantry can conceal and use the radar, tank is an inviting target.

 

[Mrc]

infantry uses it effectively on its own. installing on AK as a package will increase cost. tanks cant maneuver in all terrains to get best results from radar. also infantry can conceal and use the radar, tank is an inviting target.

true I was just thinking it may be helpful in picking enemy tanks at a longer distance.... off course than you can engage them at a longer distance... some thing like fighters... see first shoot first and disappear

 

[Awan68]

true I was just thinking it may be helpful in picking enemy tanks at a longer distance.... off course than you can engage them at a longer distance... some thing like fighters... see first shoot first and disappear

Radar info is passed on to the tank in a matter of mere seconds, no point carying a radar on a tank, it would require extra crew etc..

 

[Glavcom]

 

[nana41]

Never heard Al Khalid or MBT jointly marketed by China Pakistan it's not like JF-17 which develop jointly.
Bangladesh have been using MBT-2000 not Al-Khalid .

Both these tanks are same as a joint effort.The differences being,MBT 2000 cheaper with Chinese engine/gearbox,whereas Al Khalid is expensive with western engine/gearbox/electronics.

 

[Arsalan]

@Dazzler have you heard about interest in T-90s from Russia?
A delegation was there in Russia and the only stumbling block seem to be ammo as Russians want us to buy ammo too but we are not interested in that. The number being sought is around 400 tanks.
Seems authentic to me but i am not really excited on this development, would have loved it to progress some other way.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Horus @Tipu7 @Path-Finder

 

[Path-Finder]

@Dazzler have you heard about interest in T-90s from Russia?
A delegation was there in Russia and the only stumbling block seem to be ammo as Russians want us to buy ammo too but we are not interested in that. The number being sought is around 400 tanks.
Seems authentic to me but i am not really excited on this development, would have loved it to progress some other way.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Horus @Tipu7 @Path-Finder

Do you think T90 has space in PA?

 

[Arsalan]

Do you think T90 has space in PA?

Personally? NO!!
Plus i do not like the idea at all but this is what i have been told as happening. I hope it is wrong but have to confirm it with some members here as well, may be someone have more details than i managed to gather.

 

[Path-Finder]

Personally? NO!!
Plus i do not like the idea at all but this is what i have been told as happening. I hope it is wrong but have to confirm it with some members here as well, may be someone have more details than i managed to gather.

my thoughts exactly. I believe the T80 chassis is the most superior in the old T series tanks only T14 has the crown. Pursuing T80 chassis will be appropriate as it gives you more choices for engine and armament upgrades. T90 being based on a T72 Chassis is limited in certain ways.

Hazrat @Zarvan you source was right on T90

 

[Mumm-Ra]

@Dazzler have you heard about interest in T-90s from Russia?
A delegation was there in Russia and the only stumbling block seem to be ammo as Russians want us to buy ammo too but we are not interested in that. The number being sought is around 400 tanks.
Seems authentic to me but i am not really excited on this development, would have loved it to progress some other way.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Horus @Tipu7 @Path-Finder

What happened to the Oplot-P trials? And do we think that our relations with Russian are at that certain level that we may procure advanced armaments from them that will be used on our eastern border? The helis were different as their main purpose was assisting in COIN operations.

Hazrat @Zarvan you source was right on T90

If the news is true then he may have the last laugh after all. And , God forbid, if his sources on the gun replacement are correct, the whole PDF is gonna go flip upside down

 

[Path-Finder]

What happened to the Oplot-P trials? And do we think that our relations with Russian are at that certain level that we may procure advanced armaments from them that will be used on our eastern border? The helis were different as their main purpose was assisting in COIN operations.



If the news is true then he may have the last laugh after all. And , God forbid, if his sources on the gun replacement are correct, the whole PDF is gonna go flip upside down

Well not bad for being a 'useless member'

 

[Mumm-Ra]

Well not bad for being a 'useless member'

Hahahaha...Just saw the awards thread. Some folk here never cease to amaze..
Well on topic then...what do you think? Could such a development happen?