Al-Khalid tank (Type 90-IIM / MBT-2000) Information Pool

[DESERT FIGHTER]

No you r completely wrong, you didnt support your claim with authentic report

I gave you a link on the previous page.

Try clickin and read it for a change.

 

[maravan91]

I gave you a link on the previous page.

Try clickin and read it for a change.

that link you posted in previous page did not support your claim "Bangladesh purchased mbt 2000 from pakistan "

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

that link you posted in previous page did not support your claim "Bangladesh purchased mbt 2000 from pakistan "

What do you think joint marketing means?

If they didnt procure them directly from us... who cares? The tank itself was built in Pakistan by HIT.

HIT toyed around with several prototypes..

The variant with chinese subsystems (mid tier tech) became the MBT-2000...

The one with Pak systems,guns etc and european subsystems became the AK...

Either way, the design remains Pak (albeit built on a chinese Type 90 series).

And is only produced by Pak..

While both Pak and China market it to third countries jointly...

The profit is again split... good for both.

 

[maravan91]

What do you think joint marketing means?

If they didnt procure them directly from us... who cares? The tank itself was built in Pakistan by HIT.

HIT toyed around with several prototypes..

The variant with chinese subsystems (mid tier tech) became the MBT-2000...

The one with Pak systems,guns etc and european subsystems became the AK...

Either way, the design remains Pak (albeit built on a chinese Type 90 series).

And is only produced by Pak..

While both Pak and China market it to third countries jointly...

The profit is again split... good for both.

Again post a single credible source to support your claim you produced mbt 2000 for Bangladesh or profit is shared between norinco or Bangladesh. See this video

in which your army officer was saying what is indigenous in alkhalid produced in pakistan

 

[monitor]

What do you think joint marketing means?

If they didnt procure them directly from us... who cares? The tank itself was built in Pakistan by HIT.

HIT toyed around with several prototypes..

The variant with chinese subsystems (mid tier tech) became the MBT-2000...

The one with Pak systems,guns etc and european subsystems became the AK...

Either way, the design remains Pak (albeit built on a chinese Type 90 series).

And is only produced by Pak..

While both Pak and China market it to third countries jointly...

The profit is again split... good for both.

Never heard Al Khalid or MBT jointly marketed by China Pakistan it's not like JF-17 which develop jointly.
Bangladesh have been using MBT-2000 not Al-Khalid .

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Again post a single credible source to support your claim you produced mbt 2000 for Bangladesh or profit is shared between norinco or Bangladesh.

Would this be “credible”;

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ing-Al-Khalid-I-tank/articleshow/17834719.cms

Read the last para.

See this video

in which your army officer was saying what is indigenous in alkhalid produced in pakistan

Do you want me to watch a 35 min video from an anchor who doesnt know his elbow from his arse?

Or point out where he said what.

I know more than enough about AK.

Fire away.. il provide you solid sources to back my stuff up!

Never heard Al Khalid or MBT jointly marketed by China Pakistan it's not like JF-17 which develop jointly.
Bangladesh have been using MBT-2000 not Al-Khalid .

You didnt?

Bad news for you;


HIT spent 10 years developing it;


https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/mbt-2000.htm

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/al-khalid-tank-type-90-iim-mbt-2000-information-pool.127686/


https://www.dawn.com/news/amp/1217909


AK/MBT2000 was built by HIT... using the Type-90IIM series as its basis!


From its Tank Gun,Autoloader,Fire Supression system... down to its ERA,Armour,IBMS,NBC/Bio protection,Fire Supression system,Imagery systems (minus some produced in JV by a Pak Company and Sagem) etc ... is a Pakistani tank.

Never heard Al Khalid or MBT jointly marketed by China Pakistan it's not like JF-17 which develop jointly.
Bangladesh have been using MBT-2000 not Al-Khalid .

MBT-2000 is a mid tier AK variant using chinese subsystems.

News for you!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Again post a single credible source to support your claim you produced mbt 2000 for Bangladesh or profit is shared between norinco or Bangladesh. See this video

in which your army officer was saying what is indigenous in alkhalid produced in pakistan

Never heard Al Khalid or MBT jointly marketed by China Pakistan it's not like JF-17 which develop jointly.
Bangladesh have been using MBT-2000 not Al-Khalid .

I hope you people are aware that AK-2 is coming?

Not to forget the 2009-10 Upgrade ... termed AK-I.

Again that article did not say you produced MBT 2000 for Bangladesh.

Here is report from Bangladesh news paper
http://www.thedailystar.net/news-detail-191737

The government was supposed to buy seven tanks last year and seven more this year. As only a Chinese company took part in the tender, the government cancelled it, and re-invited tender in which four companies from China, Russia, Ukraine, and Pakistan participated. Chinese company Norinco was selected as the lowest bidder.

Lmao.

You are pathetically clinging to straws.


ISLAMABAD: State-run companies of Pakistanand China today signed a contract for manufacturing the Al-Khalid-I tank, the latest version of the combat vehicle jointly developed by the two countries.

The Al-Khalid tank was developed in the 1990s and introduced in 2001.

The new version has improved capability and systems, an official statement said.


The contract for making the new tanks was signed by Pakistan's Heavy Industries Taxila and China's NORINCO at the Ministry of Defence Production.

The joint marketing of the Al-Khalid tank with China would open up potential markets, the statement said.

IDEAS 2012: Pakistan, China to market Al-Khalid tank together


By Saad Hasan Published: November 12, 2012 It is equipped with a 125mm gun and can fire sophisticated
ammunition, missiles while stationary or moving. PHOTO: ONLINE / FILE



KARACHI: Pakistan is aiming to find international buyers for its prized Al-
Khalid tank, after reaching an understanding with co-producer
China to market the product together, a top military official said
on Sunday. Heavy Industries, Taxila, and Beijing’s Norinco signed a memorandum
of understanding to this effect on Thursday during the International
Defence Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS) 2012, Director General of
Defence Export Promotion Organisation Major General Tariq Khan said. “We are not in the business of selling t-shirts,” Khan said during the
closing ceremony of the exhibition, as newsmen pushed him to justify
claims about the event being a success. “It takes months and years of
negotiations to seal the agreements. This MoU will help us a lot.” “We have also received orders for our unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV),
commonly known as a drone, which is used for intelligence gathering
by police and military in different parts of the world,” he added. The Al-Khalid tank was developed in the 1990s. It is equipped with a
125mm gun and has the capability to fire sophisticated ammunition
including missiles in both stationary and moving conditions. For years, Pakistan has been trying in vain to sell the product, while
China is also marketing a variant of Al-Khalid. Joint marketing with
China opens up potential markets that would otherwise have been
difficult for Islamabad to penetrate into, officials said. Under the deal,
profit from the sale will be mutually shared. Major General Khan said selling heavy equipment like tanks and aircraft
is not easy as political considerations need to be taken into account.
“At times even if a country wants to buy something, the deal breaks
off because of some political angle.” Foreign delegates who visited the exhibition will come back with
requests to test the military gear and equipment in coming months, he
said. “But I can assure you there has been a lot of interest in what we
make.” However, Khan said it was impossible to state in numbers the size of
deals made during the exhibition. Military officials involved in international defence trade say Pakistan is
continuously being sidelined because of its geopolitical situation. Meanwhile, Minister for Defence Production Sardar Bahadur Khan said
another jointly developed product with China, the JF-17 Thunder
fighter plane, will be marketed soon as well. (WITH ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM FARHAN ZAHEER) Published in The Express Tribune, November 12th, 2012.

 

[maravan91]

I hope you people are aware that AK-2 is coming?

Not to forget the 2009-10 Upgrade ... termed AK-I.


Lmao.

You are pathetically clinging to straws.


ISLAMABAD: State-run companies of Pakistanand China today signed a contract for manufacturing the Al-Khalid-I tank, the latest version of the combat vehicle jointly developed by the two countries.

The Al-Khalid tank was developed in the 1990s and introduced in 2001.

The new version has improved capability and systems, an official statement said.


The contract for making the new tanks was signed by Pakistan's Heavy Industries Taxila and China's NORINCO at the Ministry of Defence Production.

The joint marketing of the Al-Khalid tank with China would open up potential markets, the statement said.

Pls read the article first, Bangladesh rejected your tender from pakistan . And selected norinco mbt 2000

Do you want me to watch a 35 min video from an anchor who doesnt know his elbow from his arse?

Or point out where he said what.

I know more than enough about AK.

Fire away.. il provide you solid sources to back my stuff up!

Watch video from 17.00 minutes onwards. Your own army officer was saying only 30-35 % of al khalid tank is indigenous.

You r the same person who claimed 600 alkhalid produced. But It is later revealed only 320 r produced till 2015.

I think it will clear the who supplied MBT 2000 to Bangladesh
http://www.thedailystar.net/news-detail-191737

The government was supposed to buy seven tanks last year and seven more this year. As only a Chinese company took part in the tender, the government cancelled it, and re-invited tender in which four companies from China, Russia, Ukraine, and Pakistan participated. Chinese company Norinco was selected as the lowest bidder.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Pls read the article first, Bangladesh rejected your tender from pakistan . And selected norinco mbt 2000

But according to u AK is a chinese mbt 2000?

So how did Pak bid the same tank as china?

All while u convieniently foget Joint Marketing by HIT and Norinco... And the fact that it was HIT that spent millions on the project n a decade developing AK.

Watch video from 17.00 minutes onwards. Your own army officer was saying only 30-35 % of al khalid tank is indigenous.

Learn basic Urdu before that 8000 purzay... purzay means small parts... like chips/components etc. He also states about Tank gun,FCS,Armour,Alloys built by HIT.


Its also a known fact that HIT outsources some components from private Pak companies..

For ex... Autoloader which is produced by CARE pvt ltd https://carepvtltd.com .... Laser detection warning and Jamming system produced by Al Technique Corporation (ATCOP) http://atcop.org.pk ..... ERAAR 3 Laser Range Finder
LRH 786Q Laser Range Finder
Laser Designator & Ranger, Pak-IBMS (Rehbar)
DGM by GIDS.. etc.

Does it mean AK isnt indigenous? coz its parts are also outsourced from Pak private companies?

You r the same person who claimed 600 alkhalid produced. But It is later revealed only 320 r produced till 2015.

4 tanks per month ... almost 3 years.

I think it will clear the who supplied MBT 2000 to Bangladesh
http://www.thedailystar.net/news-detail-191737

The government was supposed to buy seven tanks last year and seven more this year. As only a Chinese company took part in the tender, the government cancelled it, and re-invited tender in which four companies from China, Russia, Ukraine, and Pakistan participated. Chinese company Norinco was selected as the lowest bidder.

Son, MBT 2000 is a version of AK.. Too hard for u too swallow?

AK2 is also coming... HIT offical confirmed it at IDEAS 2016.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Again denial. Read this Bangladesh army statement is more credible than your claim.
http://www.thedailystar.net/news-detail-191737
Till now you produced only 320-340 mbt 2000/al kkhalid not 600.

I know u are butthurt... swallow it.

and now isnt 2014-15...

340 (50 under production) was in 2014 MODP Yearbook... Its Oct 17.

Read this SIPRI report it clearly mentions china supplied 320 mbt 2000 to pakistan, ukraine supplied engines for the same tank.

And u just posted a video showing AK under production.. fukin ironic ... aint it.
And claim Pak bid to sell the "alleged" chinese tanks to bangladesh? Takin a sh1t on ur own moronic claims... again and again... coz u cant deal with reality..



SIPRI also claims Pak has 92 SH1 SP Guns... go figure kid.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

when u lose arguments u resort to personal attack.You r not a credible source.So Pls post modp year book to support your claim.

Says the dumbass troll .. contradicting his own stupid claims?
Quotes MODP report about production of 320-40 tanks.

Than claims ;


China supplied 320 tanks to Pak?


Than posts a video showing AKs hull under production.

Claims AK/MBT is a chinese tank...


Than;

Claims Pak bid the same tank as China in BD tender.

Ask for sources;

Yet conviniently ignores HIT & NORINCO joint marketing agreenent.


Claims 35% small components are indigenous..

Chickens out when provided sources.


And than, goes back to the same nonsensical claims!

Special breed of stupid.

Everything is fake. SIPRI is God?

I just proved SIPRI wrong...

 

[maravan91]

Says the dumbass troll .. contradicting his own stupid claims?
Quotes MODP report about production of 320-40 tanks.

Than claims ;


China supplied 320 tanks to Pak?


Than posts a video showing AKs hull under production.

Claims AK/MBT is a chinese tank...


Than;

Claims Pak bid the same tank as China in BD tender.

Ask for sources;

Yet conviniently ignores HIT & NORINCO joint marketing agreenent.


Claims 35% small components are indigenous..

Chickens out when provided sources.


And than, goes back to the same nonsensical claims!

Special breed of stupid.

Everything is fake. SIPRI is God?

I just proved SIPRI wrong...

We r building t 90 india that does not make t90 tank ours.

You claimed pakistan sold MBT to Bangladesh . I proved you wrong by Bangladesh army statement. Now show me a single source to prove your claim pakistan sold mbt 2000 to Bangladesh. Otherwise accept you falsely claimed Bangladesh export

 

[Khafee]

Says the dumbass troll .. contradicting his own stupid claims?
Quotes MODP report about production of 320-40 tanks.

Than claims ;


China supplied 320 tanks to Pak?


Than posts a video showing AKs hull under production.

Claims AK/MBT is a chinese tank...


Than;

Claims Pak bid the same tank as China in BD tender.

Ask for sources;

Yet conviniently ignores HIT & NORINCO joint marketing agreenent.


Claims 35% small components are indigenous..

Chickens out when provided sources.


And than, goes back to the same nonsensical claims!

Special breed of stupid.

Everything is fake. SIPRI is God?

I just proved SIPRI wrong...

I fail to understand, why you entertain jokers like him.

 

[maravan91]

I fail to understand, why you entertain jokers like him.

He claimed pakistan sold mbt 2000 to Bangladesh. I proved him wrong. Till now he did not provide single source to support his claim

 

[Khafee]

He claimed pakistan sold mbt 2000 to Bangladesh. I proved him wrong. Till now he did not provide single source to support his claim

Show me a valid source, that says MBT2000 "is manufactured in China".