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Al-Faisal to the US : Veto a State, Lose an Ally.

Hush Americano

It’s just Empty rhetoric by Saudis !!!

Great Military equipment???? They don’t get it for free (e3ven if it’s a waste) .

They trade oil which you like to drink all day in exchange for useless weapons that are indirectly supporting your bankrupt economy by some margins.

Don’t worry it will be business as usual ………

Peace

Unfortunately, I could not agree more. The present King is aged and will not live long, and it's clear that a succession crisis will follow his death and it is also clear that the US has great "influence" in that succession process - also the security, that is say the Saudi throne, exists only because it is supported by the US and foreign forces who are in reality a kind of mercenary force.

So this statement by Turki is really meant for internal consumption - gauging the global anti-US sentiment, the Saudi hope to cover their behinds with such a statement - as Turki himself confesses, the Saudi have supported the US with engineering the Arab League vote in favor of Western military intervention in Libya, the Saudi have similarly supported the US and Western (read pro Israeli) policy in Syria, as in fact they have in Bahrain and in Yemen.

So empty threats of moving away from US policy are designed for internal consumption and are meaningless in the international context - Should the Saudi rulers ever forget that they are "rentiers" that is to say they collect rent on oil and in exchange sit on thrones, the US will have a remedy for that as well.
 
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Damage the reputation of the US?

Obama could stand on the steps of the white house recite the Shahada, reject Israel and promise to start supplying arms to Palestine while it supports it push for statehood and the 1967 lines and people would still say its all a CIA plot kill the great satan.

Doing some thing or not doing it based on "oh we wont like you any more" as a basis for international relations is stupid.
 
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Nothing of substance I'd say.



The Americans can turn to alternative suppliers. Canada is a big source of oil.

Then why all these wars for oil, why don't they use the oil there and spare the world peace and order.
 
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I don't think there is any need to switch suppliers, especially when it is so much easier to switch rulers in these "rentier" countries.
 
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America is in the region not to control America's oil supplies, but China's oil supplies.


China is tied into Iran, through the Iranian pipeline connection in Turkmenistan - so it's rather ambitious to imagine that US will give up on Arabia without much Arabian blood being shed, which in the long run may not be such a bad idea, because as the people of Arabia become more globalized, they will themselves increasingly reject the whole idea of being "subjects" of a religious Tyranny -- but in the meantime, just the idea of a Republic of Arabia is enough to focus Al Brince's mind

Can Saudi Prince afford Republic of Saudi Arabia if they lose US as an ally

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Veto a State, Lose an Ally
By TURKI AL-FAISAL
Published: September 11, 2011
Jidda, Saudi Arabia


The United States must support the Palestinian bid for statehood at the United Nations this month or risk losing the little credibility it has in the Arab world. If it does not, American influence will decline further, Israeli security will be undermined and Iran will be empowered, increasing the chances of another war in the region.

Moreover, Saudi Arabia would no longer be able to cooperate with America in the same way it historically has. With most of the Arab world in upheaval, the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims, who demand justice for the Palestinian people.

Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy. Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States, including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so. The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.

The Palestinian people deserve statehood and all that it entails: official recognition, endorsement by international organizations, the ability to deal with Israel on more equal footing and the opportunity to live in peace and security.

Israel should see the Palestinian bid for statehood not as a threat, but as a chance to return to the negotiating table and prevent further conflict. Recent polls show that up to 70 percent of Palestinians say they believe there will be a new intifada if the deadlock is not broken shortly; this should encourage Israel to seek peace with the moderate Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas.

The Obama administration has had ample opportunities to lead Israelis and Palestinians into bilateral peace talks, but American policy makers have unfortunately been more preoccupied with a deteriorating domestic economy and a paralyzed political scene than with finding a workable solution to this epic injustice. Because Washington has offered no viable new proposals, the least it can do is step aside and not hinder Saudi, European and moderate Arab efforts to advance Palestinian rights at the United Nations.

Even Israeli officials have recently admitted privately to their European counterparts that only Saudi Arabia will be able to give the Palestinians the required religious, political and financial legitimacy they need to complete a deal with Israel. Saudi Arabia had earmarked over $2.5 billion in aid to the Palestinian Authority since June 2009, making it by far the largest single supporter of the Palestinian cause. But this money will not do much good until Palestinians are granted their fundamental rights.

The 2002 Arab Peace Plan must be the starting point for negotiations; a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders is the only realistic foundation on which to restart talks, seeing as how the Oslo Peace Process has proved fruitless.

The Palestinian statehood initiative is a chance to replace Oslo with a new paradigm based on state-to-state negotiations — a win-win proposition that makes the conflict more manageable and lays the groundwork for a lasting solution.

The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly — through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process. Saudi Arabia recently played a leading role in isolating Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s brutal government by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus. The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran. Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.

Today, there is a chance for the United States and Saudi Arabia to contain Iran and prevent it from destabilizing the region. But this opportunity will be squandered if the Obama administration’s actions at the United Nations force a deepening split between our two countries.

Although Saudi Arabia is willing and able to chart a new and divergent course if America fails to act justly with regard to Palestine, the Middle East would be far better served by continuing cooperation and good will between these longstanding allies.

American support for Palestinian statehood is therefore crucial, and a veto will have profound negative consequences. In addition to causing substantial damage to American-Saudi relations and provoking uproar among Muslims worldwide, the United States would further undermine its relations with the Muslim world, empower Iran and threaten regional stability. Let us hope that the United States chooses the path of justice and peace.

Prince Turki al-Faisal, a former director of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former Saudi ambassador to the United States, is chairman of the King Faisal Center for Research and Islamic Studies.

A version of this op-ed appeared in print on September 12, 2011, on page A27 of the New York edition with the headline: Veto a State, Lose an Ally.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opinion/veto-a-state-lose-an-ally.html
Arab Nations need to take a stand of the issue of Palestine now All corporations with USA should be stopped All Armies of Muslim world should surround Israel and If America threatens to intervene stop their oil supplies and also do their economic blockade
 
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Arab Nations need to take a stand of the issue of Palestine now All corporations with USA should be stopped All Armies of Muslim world should surround Israel and If America threatens to intervene stop their oil supplies and also do their economic blockade

One can always count on you.:tup:
 
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America is in the region not to control America's oil supplies, but China's oil supplies.

They don't want to control just our oil supply, but the whole world's.

Out of all the nations that refuse to follow the American line, we just happen to be the biggest one. And in their eyes, the one with the greatest potential of challenging their economic dominance.
 
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One can always count on you.:tup:
Sir its all about taking a stand sir and showing gutt Sir American economy is in trouble or I must say in great trouble and If Arabs decide to go at war with Israel Saudi Kind only have to order all Muslim Nations to Join War because no one In Muslim world can disagree with Saudi King if he uses his power he is a lot more influential than American President in Muslim World sir and when it comes to Israel you will see all Arabs people will stand behind their leaders on this issue and you will see they result
Living with Dignity and Die with Honor is lot better than living like coward and die like a coward
 
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loose an ally, loose great military equipment


your call

This biased support for Israel will cost you in the long run, it has already ruined your image in most of the world as the ''objective, righteous policeman of the world''.
 
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America is in the region not to control America's oil supplies, but China's oil supplies.
Yup...That was why we overthrew Saddam Hussein: Because we know the man is a cheat and we want to be fair to China. Good thing China got all those Iraqi oil contracts.
 
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