AKUH doctor 'sacked' over sending FB friend request to Sharmeen Obaid's sister

[I.R.A]

@I.R.A have you ever had a professional job?

Would ...... being key member of external audit team of AKHMC (at that time) count? Their female staff happened to be too touchy by the way, and male staff worst ever (not the medical staff, but administrative) as regards to my work there. The only fun place was cafeteria and for some of us the girls hostel lawns (if I remember correctly)

Do you understand data protection?

I am mainly concerned with data sharing, in this age of computers we have IT professionals to take care of this. Anyways my data protection thing is very different from the case under discussion.

Work ethics?

Those regular training sessions intended to make you a machine at workplace? ........ I remember being part of lot of such sessions, none increased my output positively.

The ethics of any working environment is that you cannot add your patients, customers, suppliers on social media using information they provide you with FOR the service required. Both forename and surname are classed as data, it is still part of data. It is unprofessional and unethical. Unless the relationship between you and your patient, customer, supplier is more on socialising terms and aquitances, then that's a whole new story.

Does it also apply when you try getting your doctor's number? Or try adding him / her to your social media circle? Or when you call him / her (anytime) just to ask if you should drink water with your right hand or the left hand?

As I have been trying to convey that doctor patient relation is not our usual work relation where different policies and barriers would ensure discipline and increased output ......... its different, by its nature it works best when there is frankness and you feel your doctor to be friendly, caring and cooperative ........ please try understand no doctor with kids is crazy about every other female patient he meets. Bring the full details of this case to light most probably the terminated doctor here only wanted to join followers of a sister of an international figure .......

 

[Spring Onion]

i didn't know all this so now i understand Why i was feeling something was odd with my comment on Twitter in reply to a tweet which was talking about DM . This is stupid. FB is a shittt platform to begin with .Secondly anybody can send friend request to anyone unless you have put privacy setting. How this is harassment?

Alright guys after clarification by Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy clarified the entire thing , at least I am editing my previous post. It is oh her twitter

 

[Verve]

Hahaha .. here we go with another twist.

She now claims that the doctor commented on her sis pictures and tried adding her.

Commented on her pictures: was her profile open for anyone to comment on pictures? Is her sister so stupid that she can't work Security settings? Maybe she's only 5yrs old (mentally)?

Tried adding her: someone teach her the difference between tried and request.

I think the sister accepted the friend request and this libturd woman made it an issue for limelight, after she found out who he is.

Doctor is quiet though. When a friend request is accepted an email from FB arrives. Let's see what comes out later.

 

[Verve]

@I.R.A

Come to think of it, a liberal shafted another liberal.

All good then lol

 

[war&peace]

@I.R.A have you ever had a professional job? Do you understand data protection? Work ethics?

The ethics of any working environment is that you cannot add your patients, customers, suppliers on social media using information they provide you with FOR the service required. Both forename and surname are classed as data, it is still part of data. It is unprofessional and unethical. Unless the relationship between you and your patient, customer, supplier is more on socialising terms and aquitances, then that's a whole new story.

On the contrary, it is NOT harassment. Therefore Sharmeen Obaid has used the wrong vocabulary here. Adding someone on any social media platform is not classed as harassment unless the request even AFTER the decline is persisting and the person has created numerous amount of fake profiles, pestering them with messages or intimidating them by using the other person's personal information. That is harassment.

Can a teacher add his students to his network on social media?

 

[Divergent]

Can a teacher add his students to his network on social media?

No. It is unethical for students to add their tutors/teachers on social media or vice versa. Social media is a personal doorway, where pictures of functions, parties, families and friends or even personal opinions/views are expressed.

Department of Education strictly forbids any interaction as sometimes both students or teachers can become victims of cyber bullying, which can impact professionally and personally. At some point and stage both can fall victims of abuse, harassment or any other unsolicited advancements.

Perhaps once they leave, graduated etc it’s different.

Any other academic related questions should be directed through e-mails provided. Every teacher has an institutional e-mail which they could be reached out to.

There is no clear restriction of not adding however it is highly advised one does not whilst teaching or undergoing academic studies within premises.

 

[war&peace]

No. It is unethical for students to add their tutors/teachers on social media or vice versa. Social media is a personal doorway, where pictures of functions, parties, families and friends or even personal opinions/views are expressed.

Department of Education strictly forbids any interaction as sometimes both students or teachers can become victims of cyber bullying, which can impact professionally and personally. At some point and stage both can fall victims of abuse, harassment or any other unsolicited advancements.

Perhaps once they leave, graduated etc it’s different.

Any other academic related questions should be directed through e-mails provided. Every teacher has an institutional e-mail which they could be reached out to.

There is no clear restriction of not adding however it is highly advised one does not whilst teaching or undergoing academic studies within premises.

Great. Now do you realise that British laws are not applicable to Pakistan.

In Sweden, it is totally okay for the teachers to add students into their social networks especially at University level.

So now if you can look past British laws that are applicable to your tiny island only, can you please refer to any Pakistani law which forbids it?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Can a teacher add his students to his network on social media?

Dont know about Pakistan but in UK, teachers are strictly forbidden to have any sort of communication with students over social media. My Mrs worked as teacher, they are very strict about this.

 

[war&peace]

Dont know about Pakistan but in UK, teachers are strictly forbidden to have any sort of communication with students over social media. My Mrs worked as teacher, they are very strict about this.

Well that's the problem, we're all seeing it with our own lenses instead of the situation in Pakistan.

 

[Divergent]

Great. Now do you realise that British laws are not applicable to Pakistan.

In Sweden, it is totally okay for the teachers to add students into their social networks especially at University level.

So now if you can look past British laws that are applicable to your tiny island only, can you please refer to any Pakistani law which forbids it?

This tiny Island once ruled most of the world.

I’m not sure you tell me? Logically it is advised not to because any personal opinions be they political etc can clash with opposing views which may not necessarily represent the views of the institute. Take Mashal Khan’s death as an example, his opinions or other students making fake accounts with derogatory views on his behalf cost him his life and school administration was involved.

 

[war&peace]

This tiny Island once ruled most of the world.

I’m not sure you tell me? Logically it is advised not to because any personal opinions be they political etc can clash with opposing views which may not necessarily represent the views of the institute. Take Mashal Khan’s death as an example, his opinions or other students making fake accounts with derogatory views on his behalf cost him his life and school administration was involved.

Well get over that, it's past.. ended 70 yrs ago and we played a significant role in that

Shortly, after I started my MS thesis at Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta. my supervisor added me to his network.. Same happened with me in Sweden when I came as an exchange student. We never had an issue. All my political rants are confined to PDF only... but the thing is that it is not illegal in Pakistan so he couldn't be punished for just sending the request on fb where the woman had the option to ignore or block him...Can we agree on that? Secondly, if she felt harassed, she should have gone to the court and explained to the judge...without a court ruling, this decision on AKUH's part is illegal and stands no ground in the court so the Dr should sue them for damages.

I would say that when younger kids are involved, there should be laws. But she is an adult woman who can take care of herself. University students rather benefit with social networking with professors and professionals in their future careers.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Well that's the problem, we're all seeing it with our own lenses instead of the situation in Pakistan.

Thats actually true. As a teacher you cant even touch the student, which leads to behavioral problems. Kids in UK are growing up to be a rowdy, loud and highly indiscipline bunch. Little rats can actually call the hotline to complain about the teachers. I actually salute those who teach in UK schools. Mrs quit the profession to get away from the mental torture.

 

[Well.wisher]

If someone reports harrasmet shes a crybaby and if someone got fired due to it .. hes a poor misunderstood man .

 

[Divergent]

Well get over that, it's past.. ended 70 yrs ago and we played a significant role in that

Short after I started my MS thesis at Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta. my supervisor added me to his network.. Same happened with me Sweden when I came as an exchange student. We never had issues. All my political rants are confined to PDF only... but the thing is that it is not illegal in Pakistan so he couldn't be punished for just sending the request on fb where the woman had the option to ignore or block him...Can we agree on that? Secondly, if she felt harassed, she should have gone to the court and explained to the judge...without a court ruling, this decision on AKUH's part is illegal and stands no ground in the court so the Dr should sue them for damages.

I would say that when younger kids are involved, there should be laws. But she is an adult woman who can take care of herself. University students rather benefit with social networking with professors and professionals in their future careers.

If you scroll up my initial response was, sending one single friend request doesn’t sum up to harassment. It’s unethical and unprofessional. But not harassment and firing of the doctor on those basis was slightly harsh. However recent findings are the hospital as strict policies regarding unsolicited patient engagement and the Dr already had pending convictions against him.

 

[war&peace]

If you scroll up my initial response was, sending one single friend request doesn’t sum up to harassment. It’s unethical and unprofessional. But not harassment and firing of the doctor on those basis was slightly harsh. However recent findings are the hospital as strict policies regarding unsolicited patient engagement and the Dr already had pending convictions against him.

Okay that makes sense.