Akinci & Aksungur and Turkish Unmanned Fighter Aircraft Program

[mete]

Zeytin dalı harekâtında SİHA'lar göz açtırmadı.
SİHA tarafından tespit ve imha edilen hedef sayısı 499 oldu.
İHA'ların tespit ettiği 674 hedef F-16 ve F-4 savaş uçakları tarafından etkisiz hale getirildi. https://t.co/XfFKkLwNzP

This is amazing if it is true. SIHA 's are nearly hit the same numbenu of targets with F16s @ olioli brancb ops.

When we consider that any operation or war is limited by your economy we can see that UAVs are really important.

No matter how powerful you are; when you reach your economic limit you loose. That is certain. It is the same thing like losing all military power.

When we consider maintainance and operation costs of F16/F4 with UAVs there is huge difference. Ofcourse you can not compare F4 firepower with TB2 but when you can kill a target with MAM from TB2 it is extremly cost effective than using F4 for the same target like we did few years ago. Of course you will use F4 for many targets but at least you will not use F4 for 2-3 personal target and you will not waste your money for a big bomb, a lot of fuel, maintanance for F4.

Another good part is you do not put your men into danger to find targets. Apart from that danger you do not waste resources for surveilance, UAVs do it faster, better and more economicly.

That UAV tech is a real power multiplier and game changer.

 

[UkroTurk]

Repeat again
Turhish F-4s, Sabres are chanced to be fighter drone.

Darpa Refocuses Precision Close Air Support Effort



Raytheon is moving ahead to demonstrate more rapid and accurate close air support after finalizing a contract with the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) to continue the Precision Close Air Support (PCAS) program.

PCAS has been modified to shift the emphasis from automating close air support by enabling ground forces to control the weapons on unmanned aircraft. Instead, the program has been focused on transitioning technology to manned CAS aircraft.

The original plan was to demonstrate unmanned CAS using a Fairchild A-10 converted to optionally piloted mode by Aurora Flight Sciences. Now PCAS will be demonstrated using a manned A-10, says Dave Bossert, Raytheon program manager.

“The fundamental goal is still the same: to decrease the timeline by a factor of 10 from a request for fire to an effect on target — from 60 min. to 6 min. for an A-10 20 nautical miles away,” he says. “And we will still use the A-10, but not optionally manned.”

The modified program comprises two elements. PCAS-Air is the airborne system, providing the interface between the aircraft and the joint terminal attack controller (JTAC) on the ground. PCAS-Ground is the JTAC kit, including Android tablet computer, head-up display and radio.

PCAS will provide improved communications and situational awareness for the JTAC and CAS pilot, with all-digital messaging and shared displays of sensor imagery, targets, weapons and their effects.

“The PCAS-Air piece was the A-10. Now it is “Smart Rail” electronics small enough so that anything that can carry the Hellfire missile can be PCAS-Air-enabled,” Bossert says. “We are platform-agnostic, sensor-agnostic and radio-agnostic.”




The Smart Rail includes a computer that hosts the PCAS algorithms, a GPS/inertial navigation system, and it talks to the JTAC via a dedicated data-link radio and to the aircraft sensors and an Android tablet in the cockpit via an interface box.

“Tight coupling of the JTAC and pilot is key,” Bossert says, with PCAS providing the JTAC access to computing power and high-resolution sensors on the aircraft without the Smart Rail being part of its operational flight program. “It is separate from, but hosted on, the aircraft.”

Raytheon’s modified $12.9 million Phase 2 contract will culminate in a critical design review in November, and Bossert says there is a “high probability” Darpa will proceed into the 18-month, $25.5 million Phase 3 flight demonstration.

The program changes reflect a shift in focus for near-term transition of PCAS to manned CAS, from unmanned. “One of the original sponsors when we started was the MQ-X [unmanned aircraft] program. There is no MQ-X anymore,” he says.
http://aviationweek.com/defense/darpa-refocuses-precision-close-air-support-effort

In my opinion unmanned jet aircraft should be A-10 for CAS.
https://www.quora.com/U-S-Air-Force-Could-you-turn-the-A-10-into-a-drone


Unmanned A10 will be the UAV under complete control of spotter soldiers starting in about 2016

The goal of the DARPA Persistent Close Air Support (PCAS) program is to demonstrate the capability for a joint terminal attack controller (JTAC) [soldier with radio and camera system designated to direct attack] on the ground “to visualize, select and employ weapons at the time of his choosing from an optionally manned/unmanned A-10 platform. An aircraft that is within 30 nautical miles of a target is expected to deliver a weapon on that target within six minutes of a JTAC request. A live-fire demonstration is planned for 2015.

While the 1970s-vintage Fairchild Republic A-10 Warthog is the designated PCAS demonstration platform, Darpa said the intention is to develop a standard interface that can be used for a variety of manned and unmanned aircraft.

 

[Saithan]

Don't respond to messages like that. There is no purpose. We made everything possible in order to explain to
Mr. @Saithan the difference between Bayraktar TB2 and ANKA in both technical specification and their roles in the doctrine and procedures of the Turkish Armed Forces. If he denies the facts that we stated clearly enough to be understandable by anyone with basic knowledge of the UAVs its purely his problem. Lets not engage our nerves and energy in something that we explained for the 100th time while we are not given the needed attention.

Mate I am not comparing those two UAV. so you and everyone else can stop feeling butthurt everytime I mention that I haven't seen or heard an ANKA with payload (bomb) delivered.

 

[kartal1]

Mate I am not comparing those two UAV. so you and everyone else can stop feeling butthurt everytime I mention that I haven't seen or heard an ANKA with payload (bomb) delivered.

Oh my God you got to be kidding me. What you cant understand in the terms military procedures and doctrine? Lets pretend I am Jandarma officer and I detected small group of people 3-4 in our sector. What would I do?

A. Call to the Air Force Command to send an squadron of F16 fighter jets operating costly, waiting the Air Force to approve, conducting more complicated coordination between commands, being hostage of the military bureaucracy.

B. Call to the Air Force Command that operates ANKA with complicated EO and electronic systems aboard, armed with 2xMAM L and 4xCirit, waiting the Air Force to approve, conducting more complicated coordination between commands, being hostage of the military bureaucracy.

C. Call to the UAV center under Jandarma Command operating high number of Bayraktar, armed with
4x MAM L aboard, faster approve and reaction, better and smoother coordination between different units, a lot lighter military bureaucracy is waiting me.

Another scenario. I am a commander of Special Forces Command intelligence gathering unit. I am on high risk operation deep into the enemy territory. I am being compromised and small convoy of 3-4 armored personnel carriers is coming my way. I want them being shot effective and then I want the UAV to cover my retreat from the air that can take long time and possibly shoot at limited number of soft targets that are on my way back. What would I want?

A. Bayraktar armed with 4xMAM L, communication range of 150km radius, 70kts cruise speed, 24 hours endurance.

B. ANKA armed with 4xCirit, 2xMAM L, SATCOM, 120kts cruise speed, 24 hours endurance.


The first armed operation of ANKA was conducted on 13.07.2017 in Bingol where it took out 5 terrorists with
MAM L guided bombs. This will be really my last message on that.

 

[UkroTurk]

Lets pretend I am Jandarma officer and I detected small group of people 3-4 in our sector. What would I do?

Why you wouldnt shoot them bro? Why you should wait, if you identified and detected terorists
just a group of four is easy target.
Dispite of joke there is a fact in your text without UAVs it is hard to dedect and identfy terrorist.

First UAVs identfy then soldiers kill.

 

[kartal1]

Why you wouldnt shoot them bro? Why you should wait, if you identified and detected terorists
just a group of four is easy target.
Dispite of joke there is a fact in your text without UAVs it is hard to dedect and identfy terrorist.

First UAVs identfy then soldiers kill.

I wouldn't shoot them because I am not sure if there are more so I send the UAV both to shoot them and to gather intelligence if there is terrorist hideouts and to decide if there is need for large scale operation. I can send in the ATAK but why to send both ATAK and UAV while I can send armed Bayraktar to both strike and gather intelligence.

 

[Kamil_baku]

When we consider that any operation or war is limited by your economy we can see that UAVs are really important.

No matter how powerful you are; when you reach your economic limit you loose. That is certain. It is the same thing like losing all military power.

When we consider maintainance and operation costs of F16/F4 with UAVs there is huge difference. Ofcourse you can not compare F4 firepower with TB2 but when you can kill a target with MAM from TB2 it is extremly cost effective than using F4 for the same target like we did few years ago. Of course you will use F4 for many targets but at least you will not use F4 for 2-3 personal target and you will not waste your money for a big bomb, a lot of fuel, maintanance for F4.

Another good part is you do not put your men into danger to find targets. Apart from that danger you do not waste resources for surveilance, UAVs do it faster, better and more economicly.

That UAV tech is a real power multiplier and game changer.

I agree with you..

the real power UAV brings is terorists never know that when they are recorded. Thats huge effect on them, as mostly they hide when they hear the voice of jet and helicopters coming.

 

[CAN_TR]

https://twitter.com/x/status/984116299608526848

 

[Seyfullah]

https://twitter.com/x/status/984884272157921281

 

[Kitco]

I hope the remaining 5% is nothing critical where they can cause stop of export.

 

[mete]

I hope the remaining 5% is nothing critical where they can cause stop of export.

Probably most of that %5-10 are non-critical electronic parts. I know aselsan is producing critical military chips. But they buy wafers like all chip producers do. Most of the electronics dependencies are ordinary electronic parts which is ot critical. (like resistors, capacitors, standart integrated chips etc...)

 

[Oublious]

Probably most of that %5-10 are non-critical electronic parts. I know aselsan is producing critical military chips. But they buy wafers like all chip producers do. Most of the electronics dependencies are ordinary electronic parts which is ot critical. (like resistors, capacitors, standart integrated chips etc...)

That is a big problem, we can not make everything.

 

[mete]

That is a big problem, we can not make everything.

Actually that is not even a small problem, if that is the dependency. Those things are extremly cheap and easy to get even in embargo situations. You just do not build a factory for those if you do not have really large scale electronics production.

 

[Nefer]

Actually that is not even a small problem, if that is the dependency. Those things are extremly cheap and easy to get even in embargo situations. You just do not build a factory for those if you do not have really large scale electronics production.

I recommend you to watch the video under that post. its only a 4 minute part you need to watch.

Turkish Radar & EW & EO Programs Updates & Discussions

 

[mete]

I recommend you to watch the video under that post. its only a 4 minute part you need to watch.

Turkish Radar & EW & EO Programs Updates & Discussions

I had watched it but I watched it again after your post.

First I want to give some info about the problem they have told in the video. First they have built the sonar but not the transducer. They wanted to buy it but it is not sold to them. This is a really big problem about a strategic equipment. Those transducers are specially made if you want to put them in a warship. They are huge in dimentions and they are not mass produced. They are produced on order with very small amount(3-4 may be less). This is a problem, a really big one. Then when you try to produce it locally they do not give the material.

Ok; this is a problem but what is that transducer? Those are equipment producing mechanical waves. You use piezoelectric materials to produce waves. Piezoelectric materials are the materials that deforms its shape when you apply electricity on them. So; you transform electrical waves into mechanical waves.(sound) This is reversable; when you apply mechanical force they produce electrical potential. Some old tech(and some new ones too) microphones and speakers work like that in small scale.(the same actually)

You can produce it, but they do not sell you the materials. So; you can not buy or scavenge or smuggle materials in large scale. (modern sonars use relatively high tech composite piezoelectric materials) In this case you can not produce it until you control all the production line from raw materials to end product.

The problem I was talking about has some different variables. For example resistants, capacitors, low tech integrated chips:
1) Produced by many countries, found in every market, easy to reach, easily scavengable
2) Easy to find in masses, produced in masses(like 500 million resistants/month in a facility)
3) Easy to find in civillian life, can be bought in masses, easy to carry, small, extremly cheap, easy to smuggle

Because of these even total dependency is not even a small problem. Even I can smuggle these. Dependency on raw and not processed PCB is the same. But if we are talking about RISC microprocessors used in military equipment it is all different. Not just the block of sale; you can integrate some code to break it or manipulate it. (All intel and amd processors have those, and you can not patch it because it is a process executed by hardware logis gates) Both electronic parts but capacitors and microprocessors have big differance because of things like that trojan-like behaviour and those 3 member list I have written.

You can send 500 people around the world and they can buy these in big numbers and they can carry these into the country from border with a donkey. We have some specialists in east of our country, send those fckers and they will even bring the factory piece by piece.(including some chinese workers)