Aircraft carrier Liaoning vs Vikramaditya

[shuttler]

More pix of AC Liaoning decontamination system at work:

Simply magnificiant when you compare it before the major overhaul:

After:

 

[asad71]

Nah! it has to be Putin. Since I know that Sonia Italia won't even bother giving you a kick on your @ss forget about briefing.

Sonia's legs are too tired having to kick India / Indians round the clock. She did me a smart namaste!

 

[arp2041]

Vik is still 3 years away for getting operational. It s meaningless to compare her with the PLAN AC which has been operational some months.

GENIUS!!!!

Now we have an EXPERT on Operating Carriers, from a country whose Navy's Flagship will be soon to be retired US Coast Guard Ship

 

[Luffy 500]

@shuttler , are all those water spraying system inbuilt within the carrier deck? If so won't it cause problems for Aircraft mobility?

 

[Roybot]

The sprinkler nozzles are flush with the deck.

 

[shuttler]

@shuttler , are all those water spraying system inbuilt within the carrier deck? If so won't it cause problems for Aircraft mobility?

the system is drafted within the blueprint when AC Liaoning's deck is laid. Yes, the system is within the deck. Actually the sprinkler system is only one of the sub-systems on/below the deck surface. Other subsystems include the lighting, electric wiring system, the flame plate erection, the arresting cables etc

I dont think the decontamination system will affect mobility of Liaoning

 

[IndoUS]

Then what have they been flying. If you don't read news papers why don't you Google?



You can shove that comment up yours.

They don,t currently have a fully operational carrier based fighter they are currently working on it

 

[kurup]

Hull fabrication is complete, since modular construction was followed- the island and superstructure components have also been fabricated before hand. At the current moment its in the dry dock getting ready for fitment. 3 years away from completion. You wanted to ask anything in particular?

Gadhe, take some lessons from Dillinger, then eat some grass with sea water, and then come to discuss.

@Dillinger is talking about INS Vikrant II that is being built in CSL , kochi while this thread is about INS Vikramadithya which is being refurbished in Russia.

 

[IBRIS]

Meanwhile, after going through 8 pages of nonsense spewed by cheerleaders from bangladesh and sri lanka. We have yet to see them to come up with anything other the sprinkling systems and tractors which they them self haven't had the privilege to even lay keel to anything they can show that would even put them any of the Di$k measuring contest they have kicked off. Here is something for the cheerleaders to frown upon.

And another option which in the pipeline for future upgrades

 

[Penguin]

@shuttler , are all those water spraying system inbuilt within the carrier deck? If so won't it cause problems for Aircraft mobility?

If/when you have to use this wash down system, your whole ship is buttoned down to prevent NBC contamination: there won't be any aircraft on deck untill done washing down the ship is done. Alternatively, you have a major fire on the flight deck. When not in use, the sprinkler system does not in any way interfere with deck operations.

 

[Penguin]

Vik is still 3 years away for getting operational. It s meaningless to compare her with the PLAN AC which has been operational some months.

Russia has completed repairs on INS Vikramaditya, fixing the engine problems that caused a delay in the delivery of the refitted aircraft carrier to India last year. Russia deferred the ship's delivery to the first half of 2013.
Sevmash completed INS Vikramaditya repairs

Next sea trials scheduled for April 2013 and delivery by year's end.
Delivery of INS Vikramaditya further delayed by a year, admits Russia | NDTV.com
INS Vikramaditya May Reach India Only In April 2013
Russia to Deliver Aircraft Carrier to India in Fourth Quarter of 2013

 

[Genesis]

couldn't go through it all cause you know.... But here are a few things

First. India is not the best Asian Carrier country, that still belongs to Japan. The Japanese Carriers went toe to toe with US and lost, but still went Toe to Toe, and if a few things gone the other way maybe not.

Second, Tractors on a carrier is fine as lone as it works, besides how old is that picture. Tractors don't decide the effectiveness of an carrier, unless tractors are launched to fight.

Third Liaoning is a training carrier for China, yes it will stay in service, and does have combat strength, not now, but later. But just having the carrier is not the goal. A Carrier group needs to be formed, then we can judge.

50 years of experience? Sure, but let's not get carried away, India is not US, you operated a carrier not a full fledged carrier group like the US. Does driving 50 years means you got 50 years of experience as a race car driver?

Sure the experience helps, it's the same, but not quite, if India is looking at carrier groups too then India will be starting ahead, but not by much.

We need to see how good China and India's next batch of carriers are, before we make conclusions. You can judge two kids on training wheels and say which is better, but until they grow up and get real bikes, you would be too haste to make this call.

 

[Dandpatta]

One of the most balanced posts coming on this thread after a looooooooong time.
Thank you Genesis

couldn't go through it all cause you know.... But here are a few things

First. India is not the best Asian Carrier country, that still belongs to Japan. The Japanese Carriers went toe to toe with US and lost, but still went Toe to Toe, and if a few things gone the other way maybe not.

Second, Tractors on a carrier is fine as lone as it works, besides how old is that picture. Tractors don't decide the effectiveness of an carrier, unless tractors are launched to fight.

Third Liaoning is a training carrier for China, yes it will stay in service, and does have combat strength, not now, but later. But just having the carrier is not the goal. A Carrier group needs to be formed, then we can judge.

50 years of experience? Sure, but let's not get carried away, India is not US, you operated a carrier not a full fledged carrier group like the US. Does driving 50 years means you got 50 years of experience as a race car driver?

Sure the experience helps, it's the same, but not quite, if India is looking at carrier groups too then India will be starting ahead, but not by much.

We need to see how good China and India's next batch of carriers are, before we make conclusions. You can judge two kids on training wheels and say which is better, but until they grow up and get real bikes, you would be too haste to make this call.

 

[selvan33]

couldn't go through it all cause you know.... But here are a few things

First. India is not the best Asian Carrier country, that still belongs to Japan. The Japanese Carriers went toe to toe with US and lost, but still went Toe to Toe, and if a few things gone the other way maybe not.

Second, Tractors on a carrier is fine as lone as it works, besides how old is that picture. Tractors don't decide the effectiveness of an carrier, unless tractors are launched to fight.

Third Liaoning is a training carrier for China, yes it will stay in service, and does have combat strength, not now, but later. But just having the carrier is not the goal. A Carrier group needs to be formed, then we can judge.

50 years of experience? Sure, but let's not get carried away, India is not US, you operated a carrier not a full fledged carrier group like the US. Does driving 50 years means you got 50 years of experience as a race car driver?

Sure the experience helps, it's the same, but not quite, if India is looking at carrier groups too then India will be starting ahead, but not by much.

We need to see how good China and India's next batch of carriers are, before we make conclusions. You can judge two kids on training wheels and say which is better, but until they grow up and get real bikes, you would be too haste to make this call.

first time am seeing a very good well analysed post from a chinese friend.

 

[Penguin]

The Japanese Carriers went toe to toe with US and lost, but still went Toe to Toe, and if a few things gone the other way maybe not.

Went toe to toe in superior numbers and lost

On 7 December 1941, the U.S. Navy had seven aircraft carriers (CVs) and one aircraft escort vessel (AVG) in commission. The CVs were considered warships and the AVG was considered an auxiliary vessel. In addition to these eight ships, the keels of five other CVs had been laid. The names, history, status and aviation units of each of these ships is described below.

U.S. Navy Aircraft Carriers on December 07, 1941
US Fleet Carriers in World War II

Japanese Carriers of World War II: Ten Carriers at the time of Pearl Harbor

Japanese Carriers of WW2

All six of Japan's first-line aircraft carriers, Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku and Zuikaku, were assigned to the mission. With over 420 embarked planes, these ships constituted by far the most powerful carrier task force ever assembled.

Japanese Forces in the Pearl Harbor Attack

US had 3 carriers available in the Pac:

On 7 December 1941, the three Pacific Fleet aircraft carriers were USS Enterprise (CV-6), USS Lexington (CV-2), and USS Saratoga (CV-3).

Carrioer Locations, 7 December 1941

50 years of experience? Sure, but let's not get carried away, India is not US, you operated a carrier not a full fledged carrier group like the US. Does driving 50 years means you got 50 years of experience as a race car driver?

Surely, India's carriers to date (note: plural) have not sailed around by themselves. Rather, they've worked as part of a group, with escorts.