Airbus-TATA C-295 Transport Aircraft Deal Likely To Be Approved By DAC

[sancho]

I never expected these guys to do serious R&D off the bat. From simple parts making, to now full scale integration and testing work of a full system is good in my books so far from them.

No denying that it's good for them or even for job creation in India, just not that good for Indian defence, if our top companies remain to focus on doing basic production work for foreign countries. Only if the privat industry commit themself into proper R&D, India and our forces will benefit from the competition to DRDO and HAL. Otherwise they only compete with HAL for the licence production of parts (Do 228, produced by HAL and Tata).

 

[Mujraparty]

Clearance of the Rs.11,930 crore Airbus-TATA consortium bid to manufacture 56 transport aircraft for the IAF and of a Russian firm's bid to build 200 advanced military helicopters will kick-start the aero industry ecosystem in India, especially for aviation parts, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said on Saturday.

Parrikar, who was speaking to reporters at a press conference at BJP's state headquarters here, also said there was a shortage of around 500 helicopters across the Indian military wings.

"From this, aero ecosystem, especially which relates to manufacture of aviation parts will get a boost... It will provide a kick-start to the private aviation industry," the minister said.

He also said that 14 of the Indian Air Force (IAF) transport planes to be purchased from Airbus-Tata would be in fly-away condition while the remaining 42 would be manufactured in India.

"For them, 50 percent (or) more parts will be indigenous," Parrikar said, adding that the proportion of indigenous parts would go above 50 percent in time.

Parrikar also said that considering the shortfall of as many as 500 helicopters in the Indian Army and the IAF, there would be no compromise on the manufacture of Dhruv helicopters by the defence ministry-operated aviation company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited in Bengaluru.

He said it even as the Defence Acquisition Council on Thursday approved the offer of a Russian defence manufacturing firm to build 200 advanced twin-engine Kamov helicopters for the Indian armed forces.

"There will be no compromise on HAL's Dhruv. We need quantity from them too. Army and Air Force need many more helicopters. In fact, the shortage is almost around 500," Parrikar said, adding that around 250 Chetak and Cheetah helicopters used by the Indian military were around 30 years old.

Speaking about the helicopter deal, Parrikar said the Indian government was dealing with Russia directly over the issue and that while 60 choppers would be purchased directly "rest of the 140 will be manufactured here under the Make in India programme".

"As a result, an eco-system for helicopters will be created," Parrikar said.

Military plane, chopper deals to kick-start aero industry's ecosystem: Parrikar | Business Standard News

 

[Abingdonboy]

He also said that 14 of the Indian Air Force (IAF) transport planes to be purchased from Airbus-Tata would be in fly-away condition while the remaining 42 would be manufactured in India.

Interesting , before it was 16 to be procured in a flyaway conjoint and 40 to be built in India.

 

[bharatiy]

I

If Make in India is set aside, C-27J Spartan will be a better choice in terms of range and performance. Also, India operates C-130 so some commonality in spares as well.
Performance

• Maximum speed: 602 km/h (374 mph; 325 kn)
• Cruising speed: 583 km/h (362 mph; 315 kn)
• Minimum control speed: 194 km/h; 121 mph (105 kn)
• Range: 1,852 km (1,151 mi; 1,000 nmi) with 10,000 kilograms (22,000 lb) payload
• Range at 6,000 kg payload: 4,260 km (2,650 mi; 2,300 nmi)
• Ferry range: 5,926 km (3,682 mi; 3,200 nmi)
• Service ceiling: 9,144 m (30,000 ft)

vs C-295s,
Performance

• Maximum speed: 576 km/h (311 knots, 358 mph)
• Cruise speed: 480 km/h (260 knots, 300 mph)
• Range: with 3,000 kg (6,600 lb) payload, 4,600 km (2,500 nmi / 2,875 mi); (with 6,000 kg (13,200 lb) payload, 3,700 km (2,000 nmi / 2,300 mi))
• Range with max 9,250 kg (20,400 lb) payload: 1,300 km (700 nmi / 805 mi)
• Ferry range: 5,400 km (2,900 nmi / 3,335 mi)
• Service ceiling: 9,100 m (30,000 ft)
• Takeoff run: 670 m (2,200 ft)
• Landing run: 320 m (1,050 ft)

But it is costly even America cancelled it because of higher cost

 

[sancho]

Interesting , before it was 16 to be procured in a flyaway conjoint and 40 to be built in India.

They have to make the production line cost-efficient (that's what the Indian industry complained about) and even if 2 more is not much, it's something. Disappointing though, that they still didn't combined requirements.

 

[Abingdonboy]

They have to make the production line cost-efficient (that's what the Indian industry complained about) and even if 2 more is not much, it's something. Disappointing though, that they still didn't combined requirements.

True, but this is pretty much a certainty in the long run- once the production line is in India I am fully expecting a lot more orders from across different forces. This is likely to become like the Do-228 story in India, now HAL are supplying Do-228s not just to the IN and IAF but ICG, DRDO and even for export.

 

[sancho]

True, but this is pretty much a certainty in the long run- once the production line is in India I am fully expecting a lot more orders from across different forces. This is likely to become like the Do-228 story in India, now HAL are supplying Do-228s not just to the IN and IAF but ICG, DRDO and even for export.

The fact that 2 different governments couldn't convince Indian industry giants about follow orders tells the opposite. In fact only ICG seems to be interested, while IN clearly is on a shopping spree for more costly toys. Not to mention that there is another seperate project with the RTA 70 from NAL / HAL and look at DRDO and the AWACS platforms, they don't give a sh... about what is in production in India, but what makes them look better.
If MoD would had combined the orders / interests, there is surely a larger requirement, but if the MoD doesn't care, why should the others do?

 

[Abingdonboy]

The fact that 2 different governments couldn't convince Indian industry giants about follow orders tells the opposite. In fact only ICG seems to be interested, while IN clearly is on a shopping spree for more costly toys. Not to mention that there is another seperate project with the RTA 70 from NAL / HAL and look at DRDO and the AWACS platforms, they don't give a sh... about what is in production in India, but what makes them look better.
If MoD would had combined the orders / interests, there is surely a larger requirement, but if the MoD doesn't care, why should the others do?

The ICG, BSF and perhaps IN (and perhaps ITBP) are all going to need something in the C-295 class and thus will be making orders from the TATA production line for this type. The AWACS and other roles will be filled how the respective forces see fit as is their right, no point in forcing a product that doesn't meet their needs.

 

[punit]

Make sure we can some how design and build them in India. India needs its own brands.
No need to go for expensive western products.

yes sir! next time use desi OS and desi chipset on ur computers !

 

[abtank10]

I hope TATA learns something from this JV and in return serves the purpose to country as being the first Non PSU military Aircraft manufacturer for the country........and thus secures Indian Military Cargo needs..... god speed