Airbus-TATA C-295 Transport Aircraft Deal Likely To Be Approved By DAC

[uparyupari]

It is likely to be used as "communications aircraft" only, an air taxi that flies senior officers around the country - like the Avros. An-32's are to be replace by UAC/HAL MTA's.

MTA is a piped dream. C-295 exist real time and will be in our hands soon. As they say, a Bird in hand is worth Two in the bush.

 

[Srinivas]

I was merely talking about performance, nothing wrong in promoting your own product . Also, your country is very big so C-295 will be short legged for that. If you keep your all threats in mind then, C-295 will not be good in all aspects.

Still only one truck will be fitted into the same space. I was watching the documentary of C295 seems the plane is very reliable with customers all around the world.

If India can establish a manufacturing plant, it will create jobs and no trouble for spares.

 

[sathya]

Tata have started sitara airlines, this deal will do lot good to them

 

[mike2000 is back]

Finally sense prevails.


It's raining deals for France:

AREVA
Rafale
A330 (for DRDO's AWACs)
C-295
A330 MRTT (should be signed shortly)

Funny to see those who were saying France's customers will shy away from/abandon anymore military deals with France because of france's sanctions against Russia, seems they have all gone mute. Truth is only Russia is suffering the effects of sanctions. All other countries carry on with their business like nothing ever happened.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Funny to see those who were saying France's customers will shy away from/abandon anymore military deals with France because of france's sanctions against Russia, seems they have all gone mute. Truth is only Russia is suffering the effects of sanctions. All other countries carry on with their business like nothing ever happened.

India isn't Russia and India and Russia have a VERY different relationship to France and Russia.

If Make in India is set aside, C-27J Spartan will be a better choice

A major part of this deal is the "Make in India" part especially as it is going to a private player. Put that aside and this deal isn't nearly as valuable for India (as a whole).

The C-27J is also very expensive and given the Avro replacement is for the very bottom of the IAF's logistics fleet you don't need such a high-end system, the C-295 will do just fine.

don't forget Scorpenes, where additional subs are likely...and P-75I too where it might win again

More Scorpenes are pure speculation at this point and the P-75I project is in its infancy, I'm only commenting on confirmed deals and deals likely to be signed imminently bro.

I was merely talking about performance, nothing wrong in promoting your own product . Also, your country is very big so C-295 will be short legged for that. If you keep your all threats in mind then, C-295 will not be good in all aspects.

How many HMMWVs does India operate?

Given the Avros are used almost exclusively for passenger transport right now, the fact the C-295 has a ramp is already a huge bonus over them and realistically they don't need to have that capability.

Yup Hollande must be one happy President!
& perhaps India is making a statement that it will always show its gratitude to rough weather friends.
Also if the order is placed to Airbus-Tata consortium, the government has broken 3 critical deadlocks (Rafale, AWACS platform and C-295). Good going indeed.

I wouldn't go that far bro, most of these deals were in the pipeline before this current GoI took office. This is simply about the DM clearing long-pending deals- an equally good move!

 

[The_Sidewinder]

Well C-295s are meant to replace old Avros. For transportation of vehicles etc we will have plenty of C-17s, IL-76s, MTAs, Super Hercules etc.
For strategic transport: C-17, IL-76
For Medium transport: MTA(20 tons), SH(20 tons)
For light transport: C-295(10 tons).

Makes sense . C295 can be make in india in large numbers due to lower cost than c27. It will supplement the fleet very well. I hope we can bring back those 5 An32 upg MIA in Ukraine. That will do a world of good to IA transport fleet. May be we can buy those last renaining 3 C17 s from Lockheed martin at a reasonable price. Win Win for IAF.

Well C-295s are meant to replace old Avros. For transportation of vehicles etc we will have plenty of C-17s, IL-76s, MTAs, Super Hercules etc.
For strategic transport: C-17, IL-76
For Medium transport: MTA(20 tons), SH(20 tons)
For light transport: C-295(10 tons).

Makes sense . C295 can be make in india in large numbers due to lower cost than c27. It will supplement the fleet very well. I hope we can bring back those 5 An32 upg MIA in Ukraine. That will do a world of good to IA transport fleet. May be we can buy those last renaining 3 C17 s from Lockheed martin at a reasonable price. Win Win for IAF.

 

[anant_s]

Tata have started sitara airlines, this deal will do lot good to them

Its Vistara mate. JV between Tata and Singapore Airlines
Vistara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mustang06]

Was it C-27J or C-295 which used the sames engines as Hercs?

 

[uparyupari]

Was it C-27J or C-295 which used the sames engines as Hercs?

All 3 have different engines.

But Japanese US-2 uses the same engine as C-130. At least a marine version of the same.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

Was it C-27J or C-295 which used the sames engines as Hercs?

C-27J Spartan not only used the same engine as in Super Hercules Rolls-Royce AE 2100 series engine - but other sub-systems as well like C-130J's glass cockpit and standard 436L pallets etc. Dimensions and performance of the C-27J is about half of the C-130 Hercules - A mini Super Hercules indeed!

Any News about Turbo Jet Variant???

That will be really a cracker.

All in all TATA should not end up doing "Screw Driver" Tech in Turbo Prop version.

Lets see in what % the Technology is transferred to Local Vendors in India.

This is good then having nothing. Atleast a private player is entering in assembling a plane having size of C-295.

There aren't any plans for a Turbo Jet variant of this aircraft - it isn't big enough to go for it either.

TASL work share will include undertaking structural assembly, final aircraft assembly, systems integration and testing, and management of the indigenous supply chain.

 

[uparyupari]

C-27J Spartan not only used the same engine as in Super Hercules Rolls-Royce AE 2100 series engine - but other sub-systems as well like C-130J's glass cockpit and standard 436L pallets etc. Dimensions and performance of the C-27J is about half of the C-130 Hercules - A mini Super Hercules indeed!

I though C-130 uses Allison T56. Is that the same as Rolls Royce AE2100 ?

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

I though C-130 uses Allison T56. Is that the same as Rolls Royce AE2100 ?

Actually Allison T56 is used in C-130 Hercules and Rolls-Royce AE 2100 is used in C-130J Super Hercules. Both are different engines on different Transport Aircrafts.

C-130J Super Hercules is an upgraded version developed from C-130 Hercules.

 

[Mustang06]

C-27J Spartan not only used the same engine as in Super Hercules Rolls-Royce AE 2100 series engine - but other sub-systems as well like C-130J's glass cockpit and standard 436L pallets etc. Dimensions and performance of the C-27J is about half of the C-130 Hercules - A mini Super Hercules indeed!



There aren't any plans for a Turbo Jet variant of this aircraft - it isn't big enough to go for it either.

TASL work share will include undertaking structural assembly, final aircraft assembly, systems integration and testing, and management of the indigenous supply chain.

Would have made logistical sense of having same engines!

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

Airbus-TATA bid to replace 56 of the Indian Air Force's HS748 Avro medium transports with Indian-built C295 twin turboprop aircraft has been cleared. The programme involves the local manufacture of 40 aircraft following the procurement of 16 in flyaway condition from the airframe OEM.

https://twitter.com/x/status/598532176859123712

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

Airbus-TATA C-295 Transport Aircraft

The Airbus Military C295 is a new generation, very robust and reliable, highly versatile tactical airlifter able to carry up to nine tonnes of payload or up to 71 personnel, at a maximum cruise speed of 260 kt /480 km/h. Fitted with a retractable landing gear and a pressurised cabin, it can cruise at altitudes up to 25,000 ft, while retaining remarkable short take-off & landing (STOL) performance from unprepared short, soft and rough airstrips, as well as low level flight characteristics. Powered by two Pratt & Whitney Canada PW127G turboprop engines, the C295 provides an excellent manoeuvrability, outstanding hot and high performance, low fuel consumption and consequently a very long endurance of up to eleven hours in the air.First delivered in 2001, the C295 is a developed version of the well-known CN235, offering greater capacity and range. Its simple systems design and robustness, its proven in service reliability, its excellent flying qualities and great versatility, as well as its remarkable transport capabilities make it the most efficient “workhorse” with the lowest fuel burn, as well as the best operating and maintenance costs in its category.. The civil and military certification of the C295 ensures compliance with the international airworthiness regulations and safety standards, including the stringent FAR 25 requirements.

The longest cabin, optimized for daily missions

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Being 12.7 m / 41 ft 8 in long, the C295 has the longest unobstructed cabin in its class. It can accommodate up to 71 seats, offering a much higher personnel carrying capability than its competitors in this segment. For the same reason, it can carry much more palletised cargo (up to five 88 inch X 108 inch standard HCU-6E pallets) with direct off-loading through its rear ramp door.

STOL capability

The C295’s STOL capability combined with a strong landing gear enable it to operate in the most austere locations with the worst conditions for take-off and landings. The aircraft is a tactical military transport with a light footprint to enable operations from short (no longer than 670 m / 2,200 ft), soft and rough (CBR 2) unprepared airstrips. The C295 is also designed to provide outstanding low-level flight characteristics for tactical missions, flying at speeds down to 110 kt.

Better Reliabilty with Lower Operational Costs

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The C295 has an outstanding reliability track record. In service since 2001, and with some 80 aircraft in operations, it has amply demonstrated its worth as an outstanding “work-horse” for any kind of military transport or civic and humanitarian relief operations in the most varied environments, ranging from desert to mountainous areas, to hot and dry as well as humid or very cold.

The C295 is based on the earlier CN235, but with many component updgrades. Both aircraft feature a strong airframe and simple general systems with fewer components. These are key elements to ensure high reliability, and low maintenance and operating costs. The effectiveness and soundness of the CN235/C295 general systems design is backed by one million flying hours of operational experience in all types of environments.​

Robustness and Versatility in Military Operations

The robustness and versatility of the C295 makes it the ideal platform for any type of military or “civic” operations for the benefit of society. The aircraft performs any type of mission: from personnel, troop and bulky/palletised cargo transportation to casualty evacuation, communication and logistic duties, search and rescue, surveillance and control, homeland security, or certified air-dropping,. It is able to perform all these missions with the lowest configuration change time, thus reducing the risk exposure when operating in hostile environments. A key to the aircraft’s unique patrol and surveillance capabilities is its Fully Integrated Tactical System (FITS) which integrates, controls and displays the mission sensors, enhancing the mission awareness and facilitating the decision making.

The C295 aircraft is combat proven and has successfully completed military missions in all types of environments. It routinely operates in the hot and humid environments of the Brazilian jungle and Colombian mountains, in the dusty and very hot deserts of Algeria and Jordan, and in the extremely cold winters and icy conditions of Poland and Finland. The C295 has been successfully used during long deployments (up to two years, flying up to 90 hours per aircraft per month) in remote areas, such as Chad, Iraq and Afghanistan.The C295 has become the most trusted airlifter in its category, being used either as single transport type, or as a versatile and efficient complement to heavy airlifters and transport helicopters. Thirty two nations operate the CN235/295 light/medium airlifters to complement their C-130-class aircraft, including Abu Dhabi, Brazil, France, Jordan, Malaysia, Morocco, Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Spain and Turkey.

Proven in the Service of Armed Forces
In its military role the C295 is used for:
• Tactical transport of troops and the required logistic supplies (water, food, ammunition, medical supplies, spare parts) from the main operating base to the forward bases, and among forward locations. The C295 can use short aunprepared irstrips not accessible to heavier aircraft.
• Airdrop of paratroops and loads, with the use of 88in-width platforms and container delivery system (CDS) A22 bundles.
• Activities related to antiterrorism, border control and homeland security, thanks to its integrated surveillance systems, including the FITS.
• Casualty evacuation (Casevac) / Medical evacuation (Medevac) using either basic litters or mobile intensive care units (ICU) with life support equipment.

Self-protection:
In addition to its outstanding manoeuvrability and STOL characteristics, the C295 offers optional self-protection equipment, which are already in service in hostile environments like Iraq and Afghanistan: cockpit armour, radar warning (RWR), missile warning (MAWS), laser warning (LWS), and chaff/flares dispensers. In flight refuelling capability is also optional for the C295.
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Civil/Humanitarian Mission​

The C295 is ideal for any kind of “civic” / humanitarian mission for the benefit of society. Robust, solid, rugged, and with outstanding low level flight and short take-off and landing characteristics from unprepared rough, soft and short airstrips, but also a flying endurance of up to eleven hours, the C295 is also fitted with Airbus Military’s unique Fully Integrated Tactical System (FITS) allowing any kind of surveillance and monitoring.

Humanitarian missions:
C295s from the Mexican Navy were among the first aircraft transporting emergency personnel and humanitarian aid into Haiti just after the tragic earthquake in 2010. This involved:
• Transport of medical and emergency personnel, police and security forces, peacekeeping troops, evacuation
of civil population affected by natural disasters or conflicts.
• Transport of first-aid supplies (water, food, medicines, tents…), electric generators, water-treatment
equipment.
• Airdrop of humanitarian aid
• Medical evacuation (Medevac) of ill/injured patients“

Civic missions:
The C295’s “civic” activities include surveillance and control activities such as search and rescue, monitoring of illegal immigration, drug smuggling, piracy, illegal fishery, maritime pollution control and deterrance, wild deforestation, bringing supplies to people living in remote locations (isolated islands, deserts, etc). These are performed by most of the operators, such as the Portuguese Air Force to patrol the huge Portugal’s Economic Exclusive Zone (EEZ), including areas around Azores and Madeira islands. Chilean Navy and Brazilian Air Force also use the C295 for search and rescue (SAR) missions.The Surveillance activities can be performed thanks to the Fully Integrated Tactical System (FITS), which can be installed in both permanent or palletized solution.

The robustness and versatility of the C295 makes it the ideal platform for any type of military or “civic” operations for the benefit of society. The aircraft performs any type of mission: from personnel, troop and bulky/palletised cargo transportation to casualty evacuation, communication and logistic duties, search and rescue, surveillance and control, homeland security, or certified air-dropping,. It is able to perform all these missions with the lowest configuration change time, thus reducing the risk exposure when operating in hostile environments. A key to the aircraft’s unique patrol and surveillance capabilities is its Fully Integrated Tactical System (FITS) which integrates, controls and displays the mission sensors, enhancing the mission awareness and facilitating the decision making.
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Advanced Technology

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The robustness and versatility of the C295 makes it the ideal platform for any type of military or “civic” operations for the benefit of society. The aircraft performs any type of mission: from personnel, troop and bulky/palletised cargo transportation to casualty evacuation, communication and logistic duties, search and rescue, surveillance and control, homeland security, or certified air-dropping,. It is able to perform all these missions with the lowest configuration change time, thus reducing the risk exposure when operating in hostile environments. A key to the aircraft’s unique patrol and surveillance capabilities is its Fully Integrated Tactical System (FITS) which integrates, controls and displays the mission sensors, enhancing the mission awareness and facilitating the decision making.

The C295 is fitted with the Highly Integrated Avionics System (HIAS), an advanced integrated avionics system based on the Thales Topdeck ® Avionics suite. The flexible architecture concept and the use of dual technology civil/military equipment ensure success on demanding tactical missions, growth potential for future equipment as well as compatibility with the latest civil airspace environment.

The left engine is fitted with a propeller brake: while on the ground the engine gas generator can function in APU mode with the propeller stopped to deliver electrical power and bleed air for the aircraft systems. The propeller brake system provides the same ground-power functionalities of a conventional on-board APU at a fraction of the cost, weight and complexity.

The C295 glass cockpit with digital avionics includes four large active matrix liquid crystal displays (6’’x8’’), fully compatible with night vision goggles. The advanced integrated avionics system with multifunctional displays provides improved situational awareness and flight safety, lower pilot workload and enhanced mission effectiveness.The system functionalities support the requirements for both civil and military tactical environments: CARP/HARP computational aids (for precision airdrops), performance management, VNAV, radio management, tactical databases, etc. The autopilot and flight director System is certified under FAR-25 requirements for ILS Cat I and Cat II approaches and GPS non-precision approaches for automatic or manual operations.
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Source:- Military Aircraft Airbus DS | C295​