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by making them miserable i mean that shun then everywhere
do not buy from them,do not employ them and do not sell to them and make no contact with them whatsoever



all scholars agree that apostasy is punishable by death

Again:

There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

— Quran 2:256


And if your Lord had pleased, surely all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them; will you then force men till they become believers?

— Quran 10:99


Therefore do remind, for you are only a reminder. You are not a watcher over them;

— Quran 88:21-22

Which scholars support this? the Taliban?



Sorry , I dont care about West but we've to protect religion islam in an islamic state .


Is Islam so weak it needs people to defend it? If people dont follow it then they will be punished on judgement day, however you have no right to deal out such hate in the name of Allah
 
Are you better than Allah??

Who gives you the right to say such things.

if someone leaves Islam, then they face divine punishment from Allah on judgement day. In the early days leaving islam meant treason against the state, since they were at war, and also this was a common policy across all empires/states at the time. This is not justified at all in the modern day.

Since you forgot the real message of Islam:

There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

— Quran 2:256


And if your Lord had pleased, surely all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them; will you then force men till they become believers?

— Quran 10:99


Therefore do remind, for you are only a reminder. You are not a watcher over them;

— Quran 88:21-22

You think following religion is a debate??? No it's simple rules .... Now you may not like some rule of Islam but it doesn't make it any less true or incompatible in our life , you may think of some reason to defy or to keep your mind at ease or to relieve yourself of duties but Islam is not gonna change for you or me
 
We are the majority why should we not determine what or who we want in Pakistan
So why you got independence the majority of Hindus dosent want it happen? Why you voicing for Kashmir freedom as majority Hindu don't want it? Stop nonsense it's not bout majorly or minority.
 
Again:

There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

— Quran 2:256


And if your Lord had pleased, surely all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them; will you then force men till they become believers?

— Quran 10:99


Therefore do remind, for you are only a reminder. You are not a watcher over them;

— Quran 88:21-22

Which scholars support this? the Taliban?

all scholars
go to any one near your house heck go to one in alazhar university
all of them say the apostate is to get the death penalty
 
(Report of the Court of Inquiry constituted under Punjab Act II OF 1954 to enquire into the Punjab Disturbances of 1953)

*Selections from the Munir Report (1954)*



7) The position of non-Muslims

..............
.............

This being the position, the State will have to devise some machinery by which the distinction between a Muslim and a non-Muslim may be determined and its consequences enforced. The question, therefore, whether a. person is or is not a Muslim will be of fundamental importance, and it was for this reason that we asked most of the leading ulama to give their definition of a Muslim, the point being that if the ulama of the various sects believed the Ahmadis to be kafirs, they must have been quite clear in their minds not only about the grounds of such belief but also about the definition of a Muslim, because the claim that a certain person or community is not within the pale of Islam implies on the part of the claimant an exact conception of what a Muslim is.

The result of this part of the inquiry, however, has been anything but satisfaotory, and if considerable confusion exists in the minds of our ulama on such a simple matter, one can easily imagine what the differences on more complicated matters will be. Below we reprodure the definition of a Muslim given by each alim in his own words. This definition was asked after it had been clearly explained to each witness that he was required to give the irreducible minimum conditions which a person must satisfy to be entitled to be called a Muslim, and that the definition was to be on the principle on which a term in grammar is defined. Here is the result: --

Maulana Abul Hasanat Muhammad Ahmad Qadri, President, Jami'at-ul-Ulama-i-Pakistan --

"Q.--What is the definition of a Muslim?
A.-- (1) He must believe in the Unity of God.
(2) He must believe in the prophet of Islam to be a true prophet, as well as in all other prophets who have preceded him.
(3) He must believe in the Holy Prophet of Islam as the last of the prophets (khatam-un-nabiyin).
(4) He must believe in the Qur'an as it was revealed by God to the Holy Prophet of Islam.
(5) He must believe as binding on him the injunctions of the Prophet of Islam.
(6) He must believe in the qiyamat.
Q.-- Is a tarik-us-salat [=one who doesn't perform the prayers] a Muslim?
A.-- Yes, but not a munkir-us-salat [=one who denies that prayers are a duty]."

Maulana Ahmad Ali, President, Jami'at-ul-Ulama-i-Islam, Maghribi Pakistan --

"Q.-- Please define a Muslim.
A.-- A person is a Muslim if he believes (1) in the Qur'an and (2) what has been said by the prophet. Any person who possesses these two qualifications is entitled to be called a Muslim, without his being required to believe in anything more or to do anything more."

Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi, Amir, Jama'at-i-Islami --

"Q.-Please define a Muslim.
A.-- A person is a Muslim if he believes (1) in tauheed, (2) in all the prophets (ambiya), (3) all the books revealed by God, (4) in mala'ika (angels), and (5) yaum-ul-akhira (the Day of Judgment).
Q.-- Is a mere profession of belief in these articles sufficient to entitle a man to call himself a Musalman and to be treated as a Musalman in an Islamic State?
A.-- Yes.
Q.-- If a person says that he believes in all these things, does anyone have a right to question the existence of his belief?
A.-- The five requisites that I have mentioned above are fundamental, and any alteration in any one of these articles will take him out of the pale of Islam."

Ghazi Siraj-ud-Din Munir --

"Q.-- Please define a Muslim.
A.-- I consider a man to be a Muslim if he professes his belief in the kalima, namely, La Ilaha Illallah-o-Muhammad-ur-Rasulullah, and leads a life in the footsteps of the Holy Prophet."

Mufti Muhammad Idris, Jamia Ashrafia, Nila Gumhad, Lahore --

"Q.-- Please give the definition of a Musalman.
A.-- The word 'Musalman' is a Persian one. There is a distinction between the word 'Musalman' which is a Persian word for Muslim, and the word 'momin'. It is impossible for me to give a complete definition of the word 'momin'. I would require pages and pages to describe what a momin is. A person is a Muslim who professes to be obedient to Allah. He should believe in the Unity of God, prophethood of the ambiya, and in the Day of Judgment. A person who does not believe in the azan or in the qurbani goes outside the pale of Islam. Similarly, there are a large number of other things which have been received by tavatir from our prophet. In order to be a Muslim, he must believe in all these things. It is almost impossible for me to give a complete list of such things."

Hafiz Kifayat Hussain, Idara-i-Haquq-i-Tahaffuz-i-Shia --

"Q.-Who is a Musalman?
A.-- A person is entitled to be called a Musalman if he believes in (1) tauheed, (2) nubuwwat, and (3) qiyamat. These are the the fundamental beliefs which a person must profess to be called a Musalman. In regard to these three basic doctrines there is no difference between the Shias and the Sunnies. Besides the belief in these three doctrines, there are other things called 'zarooriyat-i-din' which a person must comply with in order to be entitled to be called a Musalman. These will take me two days to define and enumerate. But as an illustration I might state that the respect for the Holy Book, wajoob-i-nimaz, wajoob-i-roza, wajoob-i-hajj-ma'a-shariat, and other things too numerous to mention, are among the 'zarooriyat-i-din'."

Maulana Abdul Hamid Badayuni, President, Jami'at-ul-Ulama-i-Pakistan: --

"Q.-- Who is a Musalman, according to you?
A.-- A person who believes in the zarooriyat-i-din is called a momin, and every momin is entitled to be called a Musalman.
Q.-- What are these zarooriyat-i.din?
A.-- A person who believes in the five pillars of Islam and who believes in the rasalat of our Holy Prophet fulfils the zarooriyat-i-din.
Q.-- Have other actions, apart from the five arakan, anything to do with a man being a Muslim or being outside the pale of Islam?
(Note-- Witness has been explained [to] that by actions are meant those rules of moral conduct which in modern society are accepted as correct.)
A.-- Certainly.
Q.-- Then you will not call a person a Muslim who believes in arakan-i-khamsa and the rasalat of the prophet but who steals other peoples' things, embezzles property entrusted to him, has an evil eye on his neighbour's wife, and is guilty of the grossest ingratitude to his benefector?
A.-- Such a person, if he has the belief already indicated, will be a Muslim despite all this."

Maulana Muhammad Ali Kandhalvi, Darush-Shahabia, Sialkot --

"Q.--Please define a Musalman.
A.-- A person who in obedience to the commands of the prophet performs all the zarooriyat-i-din is a Musalman.
Q.-- Can you define zarooriyat-i-din?
A.-- Zarooriyat-i-din are those requirements which are known to every Muslim irrespective of his religious knowledge.
Q.-- Can you enumerate zarooriyat-i-din?
A.-- These are too numerous to be mentioned. I myself cannot enumerate these zarooriyat. Some of the zarooriyat-i-din may be mentioned, as salat, saum, etc."

Maulana Amin Ahsab Islahi -

"Q.-- Who is a Musalman?
A.-- There are two kinds of Musalmans, a political (siyasi) Musalman and a real (haqiqi) Musalman. In order to be called a political Musalman, a person must:
(1) believe in the Unity of God,
(2) believe in our Holy Prophet being khatam-un-nabiyin, i.e., 'final authority' in all matters relating to the life of that person,
(3) believe that all good and evil comes from Allah,
(4) believe in the Day of Judgment,
(5) believe in the Qur'an to be the last book revealed by Allah,
(6) perform the annual pilgrimage to Mecca,
(7) pay the zaka'at,
(8) say his prayers like the Musalmans,
(9) observe all apparent rules of Islami mu'ashira, and
(10) observe the fast (saum).
If a person satisfies all these conditions he is entitled to the rights of a full citizen of an Islamic State. If any one of these conditions is not satisfied, the person concerned will not be a political Musalman. (Again said:) It would be enough for a person to be a Musalman if he merely professes his belief in these ten matters irrespective of whether he puts them into practice or not. In order to be a real Musalman, a person must believe in and act on all the injunctions by Allah and his prophet in the manner in which they have been enjoined upon him.

Q.-- Will you say that only the real MusaIman is 'mard-i-saleh'?
A.--Yes.
Q.-- Do we understand you aright that in the case of what you have called a political (siyasi) Musalman, belief alone is necessary, while in the case of a haqiqi Musalman there must not only be belief but also action?
A.-- No, you have not understood me aright. Even in the case of a political (siyasi) Musalman action is necessary; but what I mean to say is that if a person does not act upon the belief that is necessary in the case of such a MusaIman, he will not be outside the pale of a political (siyasi) M:usalman.
Q.-- If a political (siyasi) Musalman does not believe in things which you have stated to be necessary, will you call such a person be-din?
A.-- No, I will call him merely be-amal."


The definition by the Sadr Anjuman Ahmadiya, Rabwah, in its written statement, is that a Muslim is a person who belongs to the ummat of the Holy Prophet and professes belief in kalima-i-tayyaba.

d.) Keeping in view the several definitions given by the ulama, need we make any comment except that no two learned divines are agreed on this fundamental? If we attempt our own definition, as each learned divine has done, and that definition differs from that given by all others, we unanimously go out of the fold of Islam. And if we adopt the definition given by any one of the ulama, we remain Muslims according to the view of that alim, but kafirs according to the definition of everyone else.


http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_munirreport_1954/0707nonmuslims.html
I personally dont see much of a difference in the definition given by scholars, but lets accept it, what was the role of this report during constitution drafting of 1973 ?
Also, would like to ask that now as the report dictates that there is no definition of a Muslim, would it also call Hindus, Christian, Jews and atheists as Muslims ?
 
So why you got independence the majority of Hindus dosent want it happen? Why you voicing for Kashmir freedom as majority Hindu don't want it? Stop nonsense it's not bout majorly or minority.

we fought for our independence

look personally I believe you should be free to worship as you like and we can leave it to God to sort out on Judgement day


but look around the world


look at the threat minorities and especially muslim minorities are under
So why should we be merciful of our minorities when others are going the other way?
 
What Jinnah said does not contradict with the Holy Quran ..

It only contradicts with "Your" understanding/interpretation of Quran ..
Jinnah was not a theocratic, he was a politician. His interpretation of Quran or Hadith are his personal believes they do not need to be followed or implement in Islamic jurisprudence.
 
Again:

There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

— Quran 2:256


And if your Lord had pleased, surely all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them; will you then force men till they become believers?

— Quran 10:99


Therefore do remind, for you are only a reminder. You are not a watcher over them;

— Quran 88:21-22

Which scholars support this? the Taliban?






Is Islam so weak it needs people to defend it? If people dont follow it then they will be punished on judgement day, however you have no right to deal out such hate in the name of Allah

My dear brother , islam needs preachers .
If I want to preach on ahmadiyana that they're spreading lies about islam and prophet saww then what wrong am I doing here ? I want to aware people through every possible way I can of this filth lie and will stop it's spread .
Ahmadis are acting as a very emotional innocent victim here in thread , that's what making you fall for them .
No sorry , I'm blunt .

Plz , ask your faith .. will you like to see our naive people falling for a belief that prophet saww isn't the last prophet of Islam ?
 
Well, Not exactly ... I read this somewhere:

1: Hazrat Mohyiud Din Ibni Arabi (1165 to 1240 AD) wrote in his book Fauhati Makiyya, Vol. 1, p.545

‘From the study and contemplation of the Darud we have arrived at the definite conclusion that there shall, from among the Muslims, certainly be persons whose status, in the matter of prophethood, shall advance to the level of prophets, if Allah pleases. But they shall not be given any book of law’

2: Hazrat Jalalud Din Rumi (1207 to 1273 AD) wrote in Mathnavi Maulana Rum, Chpater 1, p.53

‘Strive hard in the path of virtue in a manner so that you may be blessed with prophethood and you still be a follower’

3: Mujaddid Alf Thānī (1564 to 1624 AD) he is considered reviver of the second millennium. In Maktubat Imam Rabbani Hazrat Mujaddid Alif Thani

“The rising of a prophet after the Khatamar Rusul Hazrat Muhammad, the chosen one, peace and blessings be upon him, from among his how followers and as a heritage, does not in any way run counter to his status as the Khatamar Rusul. O ye reader, do not be among those who doubt”

4: Shah Wali Ullah (1703-1762 AD) says

“There cannot appear an independent prophet after the Holy Prophet, pease and blessings be on him, who is not his follower and his adherent” Al-Khairul Katheer, p. 111

“The meannig of the Holy Prophet being the Khataman Nabiyyeen is that there shall not now appear a person who God may appoint with a Law for mankind, that is to say, there shall now be no prophet who shall come with a new Law” – Tafheemati Ilahiyya


That's why I asked you to do some research bro


Allah knows the best


(I personally do not agree with Ahmadiyya views ... But I, just like Jinnah, believe that I am no one to decide who is a Muslim or who is not) ...
Please post original text of all these statements if you find somewhere.
 
Sure
thats whats going to happen
So, let me get this right. You agree with the far right like BNP who say kick all the Muslims out, don't let them have mosques, ban Islam, ban the Burqha, ban Islamic schools etc.

You agree with this then? Because when you say majority should do what it want's this is exactly what you are supporting. Democracy by the way is not absolute rule of the majority - if it were then all we would have is tyranny of the majority. That is why liberal democracy protects your a*ss otherwise you would have been gassed by now in UK. Extend the same privilages to the minorities inside Pakistan.

Show at least you have some moral compass.
 
Plz , ask your faith .. will you like to see our naive people falling for a belief that prophet saww isn't the last prophet of Islam ?
Its not up to the state machinery to decide that.
 
(Report of the Court of Inquiry constituted under Punjab Act II OF 1954 to enquire into the Punjab Disturbances of 1953)

*Selections from the Munir Report (1954)*



7) The position of non-Muslims

..............
.............

This being the position, the State will have to devise some machinery by which the distinction between a Muslim and a non-Muslim may be determined and its consequences enforced. The question, therefore, whether a. person is or is not a Muslim will be of fundamental importance, and it was for this reason that we asked most of the leading ulama to give their definition of a Muslim, the point being that if the ulama of the various sects believed the Ahmadis to be kafirs, they must have been quite clear in their minds not only about the grounds of such belief but also about the definition of a Muslim, because the claim that a certain person or community is not within the pale of Islam implies on the part of the claimant an exact conception of what a Muslim is.

The result of this part of the inquiry, however, has been anything but satisfaotory, and if considerable confusion exists in the minds of our ulama on such a simple matter, one can easily imagine what the differences on more complicated matters will be. Below we reprodure the definition of a Muslim given by each alim in his own words. This definition was asked after it had been clearly explained to each witness that he was required to give the irreducible minimum conditions which a person must satisfy to be entitled to be called a Muslim, and that the definition was to be on the principle on which a term in grammar is defined. Here is the result: --

Maulana Abul Hasanat Muhammad Ahmad Qadri, President, Jami'at-ul-Ulama-i-Pakistan --

"Q.--What is the definition of a Muslim?
A.-- (1) He must believe in the Unity of God.
(2) He must believe in the prophet of Islam to be a true prophet, as well as in all other prophets who have preceded him.
(3) He must believe in the Holy Prophet of Islam as the last of the prophets (khatam-un-nabiyin).
(4) He must believe in the Qur'an as it was revealed by God to the Holy Prophet of Islam.
(5) He must believe as binding on him the injunctions of the Prophet of Islam.
(6) He must believe in the qiyamat.
Q.-- Is a tarik-us-salat [=one who doesn't perform the prayers] a Muslim?
A.-- Yes, but not a munkir-us-salat [=one who denies that prayers are a duty]."

Maulana Ahmad Ali, President, Jami'at-ul-Ulama-i-Islam, Maghribi Pakistan --

"Q.-- Please define a Muslim.
A.-- A person is a Muslim if he believes (1) in the Qur'an and (2) what has been said by the prophet. Any person who possesses these two qualifications is entitled to be called a Muslim, without his being required to believe in anything more or to do anything more."

Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi, Amir, Jama'at-i-Islami --

"Q.-Please define a Muslim.
A.-- A person is a Muslim if he believes (1) in tauheed, (2) in all the prophets (ambiya), (3) all the books revealed by God, (4) in mala'ika (angels), and (5) yaum-ul-akhira (the Day of Judgment).
Q.-- Is a mere profession of belief in these articles sufficient to entitle a man to call himself a Musalman and to be treated as a Musalman in an Islamic State?
A.-- Yes.
Q.-- If a person says that he believes in all these things, does anyone have a right to question the existence of his belief?
A.-- The five requisites that I have mentioned above are fundamental, and any alteration in any one of these articles will take him out of the pale of Islam."

Ghazi Siraj-ud-Din Munir --

"Q.-- Please define a Muslim.
A.-- I consider a man to be a Muslim if he professes his belief in the kalima, namely, La Ilaha Illallah-o-Muhammad-ur-Rasulullah, and leads a life in the footsteps of the Holy Prophet."

Mufti Muhammad Idris, Jamia Ashrafia, Nila Gumhad, Lahore --

"Q.-- Please give the definition of a Musalman.
A.-- The word 'Musalman' is a Persian one. There is a distinction between the word 'Musalman' which is a Persian word for Muslim, and the word 'momin'. It is impossible for me to give a complete definition of the word 'momin'. I would require pages and pages to describe what a momin is. A person is a Muslim who professes to be obedient to Allah. He should believe in the Unity of God, prophethood of the ambiya, and in the Day of Judgment. A person who does not believe in the azan or in the qurbani goes outside the pale of Islam. Similarly, there are a large number of other things which have been received by tavatir from our prophet. In order to be a Muslim, he must believe in all these things. It is almost impossible for me to give a complete list of such things."

Hafiz Kifayat Hussain, Idara-i-Haquq-i-Tahaffuz-i-Shia --

"Q.-Who is a Musalman?
A.-- A person is entitled to be called a Musalman if he believes in (1) tauheed, (2) nubuwwat, and (3) qiyamat. These are the the fundamental beliefs which a person must profess to be called a Musalman. In regard to these three basic doctrines there is no difference between the Shias and the Sunnies. Besides the belief in these three doctrines, there are other things called 'zarooriyat-i-din' which a person must comply with in order to be entitled to be called a Musalman. These will take me two days to define and enumerate. But as an illustration I might state that the respect for the Holy Book, wajoob-i-nimaz, wajoob-i-roza, wajoob-i-hajj-ma'a-shariat, and other things too numerous to mention, are among the 'zarooriyat-i-din'."

Maulana Abdul Hamid Badayuni, President, Jami'at-ul-Ulama-i-Pakistan: --

"Q.-- Who is a Musalman, according to you?
A.-- A person who believes in the zarooriyat-i-din is called a momin, and every momin is entitled to be called a Musalman.
Q.-- What are these zarooriyat-i.din?
A.-- A person who believes in the five pillars of Islam and who believes in the rasalat of our Holy Prophet fulfils the zarooriyat-i-din.
Q.-- Have other actions, apart from the five arakan, anything to do with a man being a Muslim or being outside the pale of Islam?
(Note-- Witness has been explained [to] that by actions are meant those rules of moral conduct which in modern society are accepted as correct.)
A.-- Certainly.
Q.-- Then you will not call a person a Muslim who believes in arakan-i-khamsa and the rasalat of the prophet but who steals other peoples' things, embezzles property entrusted to him, has an evil eye on his neighbour's wife, and is guilty of the grossest ingratitude to his benefector?
A.-- Such a person, if he has the belief already indicated, will be a Muslim despite all this."

Maulana Muhammad Ali Kandhalvi, Darush-Shahabia, Sialkot --

"Q.--Please define a Musalman.
A.-- A person who in obedience to the commands of the prophet performs all the zarooriyat-i-din is a Musalman.
Q.-- Can you define zarooriyat-i-din?
A.-- Zarooriyat-i-din are those requirements which are known to every Muslim irrespective of his religious knowledge.
Q.-- Can you enumerate zarooriyat-i-din?
A.-- These are too numerous to be mentioned. I myself cannot enumerate these zarooriyat. Some of the zarooriyat-i-din may be mentioned, as salat, saum, etc."

Maulana Amin Ahsab Islahi -

"Q.-- Who is a Musalman?
A.-- There are two kinds of Musalmans, a political (siyasi) Musalman and a real (haqiqi) Musalman. In order to be called a political Musalman, a person must:
(1) believe in the Unity of God,
(2) believe in our Holy Prophet being khatam-un-nabiyin, i.e., 'final authority' in all matters relating to the life of that person,
(3) believe that all good and evil comes from Allah,
(4) believe in the Day of Judgment,
(5) believe in the Qur'an to be the last book revealed by Allah,
(6) perform the annual pilgrimage to Mecca,
(7) pay the zaka'at,
(8) say his prayers like the Musalmans,
(9) observe all apparent rules of Islami mu'ashira, and
(10) observe the fast (saum).
If a person satisfies all these conditions he is entitled to the rights of a full citizen of an Islamic State. If any one of these conditions is not satisfied, the person concerned will not be a political Musalman. (Again said:) It would be enough for a person to be a Musalman if he merely professes his belief in these ten matters irrespective of whether he puts them into practice or not. In order to be a real Musalman, a person must believe in and act on all the injunctions by Allah and his prophet in the manner in which they have been enjoined upon him.

Q.-- Will you say that only the real MusaIman is 'mard-i-saleh'?
A.--Yes.
Q.-- Do we understand you aright that in the case of what you have called a political (siyasi) Musalman, belief alone is necessary, while in the case of a haqiqi Musalman there must not only be belief but also action?
A.-- No, you have not understood me aright. Even in the case of a political (siyasi) Musalman action is necessary; but what I mean to say is that if a person does not act upon the belief that is necessary in the case of such a MusaIman, he will not be outside the pale of a political (siyasi) M:usalman.
Q.-- If a political (siyasi) Musalman does not believe in things which you have stated to be necessary, will you call such a person be-din?
A.-- No, I will call him merely be-amal."


The definition by the Sadr Anjuman Ahmadiya, Rabwah, in its written statement, is that a Muslim is a person who belongs to the ummat of the Holy Prophet and professes belief in kalima-i-tayyaba.

d.) Keeping in view the several definitions given by the ulama, need we make any comment except that no two learned divines are agreed on this fundamental? If we attempt our own definition, as each learned divine has done, and that definition differs from that given by all others, we unanimously go out of the fold of Islam. And if we adopt the definition given by any one of the ulama, we remain Muslims according to the view of that alim, but kafirs according to the definition of everyone else.


http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_munirreport_1954/0707nonmuslims.html

are you saying that because ulama weren't answering the question in a way that makes qadianis non Muslims ,they should be considered Muslims???? Do you remember what happened in parliament and how it has been discussed by every Muslim school of thought and every school of thought considers qadianis non Muslims ....since you are bringing distant past let's skip a decade or two and talk about 70s 80s......
 
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