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AH-1Z Viper, 1000 Hellfire II Missiles approved for sale to Pakistan.

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Yeah 15 tu annay day yar! 30 bhe ho jain gay. At the moment these 15 are much needed for offensive against TTP.

Zaravan ki herkatain sahi nahin hain Ooh bhai juldi na ker tu 15 bhi murwa dey ga ... Bus jo bhi mil raha hai milnay dau pehlay yeh imdad main shift kerwa lain aik baar goray maan gaye hum phail jayen gay kay bhai hum tau 2 lain gay :mamba::devil: Waisay kuch logon ki sahi hut gai ho gi :flame: :drag: bay charay billions kharach rahay hain :woot:
 
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WASHINGTON — The US State Department has cleared a $952 million sale to Pakistan that includes 15 AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters and 1,000 Hellfire II missiles, according to a Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) announcement.

The sale is intended to support Pakistan's counterterrorism and counterinsurgency operations with a precision-strike, enhanced-survivability aircraft that can operate at high-altitudes, according to DSCA's Monday announcement. Pakistan would use the gear in operations in the North Waziristan Agency, the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and other remote and mountainous areas in all-weather, day-and-night environments.

"This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a country vital to U.S. foreign policy and national security goals in South Asia," the announcement says.

The local Bell representatives in Pakistan, Access Zone, did not respond to queries regarding when they expected delivery should the deal be approved, or if they hoped more would be acquired to fully replace the approximately 48 Cobras currently in service.

Analysts in Pakistan expressed surprise at the announcement. Though the Viper had long been suggested as a replacement for the current fleet of AH-1F/S helicopter gunships, US congressional opposition seemed to make acquisition of further US equipment unlikely.

Analyst, author and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, Brian Cloughley, says he was "absolutely certain that the US would not supply any more attack helicopters."

But he welcomes the announcement.

"This is very good news for Pakistan on two counts: First, the Army is getting one of the most sophisticated attack helicopters in the world; second, it shows that the US has not abandoned Pakistan, as so many people thought it had," he said.

"It does require the assent of Congress," said Cloughley, "but if Congress were to block it this would send a negative message concerning its determination to keep up the war on terror."

This is not to say that unrestricted arms sales will resume as "it seems that the main criterion is that US-supplied materiel must be COIN [counterinsurgency] specific. There would be difficulty in providing systems that are obviously intended for general warfare, i.e. against India," Cloughley says.

Claude Rakisits, nonresident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council's South Asia Center, said that "in its deliberations about whether to approve such a sale to Pakistan, the fact that the provision of this new capability will not alter the military balance between the two nuclear-armed states – Pakistan and India – will make it easier for the lawmakers to agree to this sale."

The announcement comes at a time when multiple types of helicopters are being pursued, both to replace the Cobras, and potentially support paramilitary and special forces operations.

Analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said that even though it is a small number, the Vipers could replace at least some of the Cobras and it comes at a time when China has supplied three WZ-10 gunships, and Russia may be close to supplying approximately 20 Mi-35 Hinds

Agence France-Press reported Friday that Pakistan has in recent weeks focused its fight against the Taliban on the Tirah Valley, a Federally Administered Tribal Area, with a series of air strikes and ground assaults. Though the area, with steep valleys and dense woods, is inaccessible, Pakistan's military has claimed it has taken control of key terrain there.

Pakistan had sought new helicopter gunships for the best part of a decade to replace the Cobras, which have been fast wearing out due to the pace of operations against the Pakistani Taliban and its allies in and around the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan. In November, it appeared Pakistan was closing a deal for Mi-35 Hind heavy attack helicopters, based on a Pakistani radio interview with Russia's ambassador.

The US sale includes 32 T-700 GE 401C engines; 36 H-1 technical refresh mission computers; 17 AN/AAQ-30 target sight systems; 30 629F-23 ultra high frequency/very high frequency communication systems; 19 H-764 embedded global positioning system/inertial navigation systems; 32 helmet mounted display/optimized top owl; 17 APX-117A identification friend or foe; 17 AN/AAR-47 missile warning systems; 17 AN/ALE-47 countermeasure dispenser sets; 18 AN/APR-39C(V)2 radar warning receivers; 15 joint mission planning systems; and 17 M197 20mm gun systems.

Bell Helicopter, Textron, General Electric, Boeing and Lockheed Martin will be the principal contractors.

State Dept. OKs $952M Pakistan Helo Deal

US poised to sell nearly USD1 billion of attack helos, weapons to Pakistan

The US Department of State has approved a request from Pakistan for USD952 million worth of attack helicopters and weapons for use in Islamabad's ongoing counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency operations, the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) announced on 6 April.

Specifically, Pakistan has requested 15 Bell AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters, including engines and spares, as well as 1000 AGM-114 Hellfire II Missiles and their targeting and communications systems.

"This proposed sale will provide Pakistan with a precision strike, enhanced survivability aircraft that it can operate at high-altitudes," the DSCA said in a statement. "By acquiring this capability, Pakistan will enhance its ability to conduct operations in North Waziristan Agency (NWA), the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), and other remote and mountainous areas in all-weather, day-and-night environments."

The sale must still be approved by the US Congress.
 
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Bharatis getting solace from AH1Z won't be equipped with longbow radars. Such bharatis can also use old Indian method of masturbation in case if this doesn't comfort them.
Modi Criminal will teach them how to do.. like a old lol
 
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I agree with your opinion, Pakistan should avoid those sanction able helicopters even if they are very advance because if sanctions are implemented those will be near to useless like our F-16s were in 90s.

We know how to handle these situations now so no worries and in current scenario sanctions wont work.

Then Pakistan should go for other vendors because they can offer better weapons package with no threat of sanctions and possibly with TOT.

Sanction are rendered useless in current scenario so no need to worries about sanctions

If you want tested tech then Mi-28NE with MWR will be much better option then Zulus.

We are on a shopping spree brah ;) don't worry yeh bhi aa jayen gay :D
 
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WASHINGTON — The US State Department has cleared a $952 million sale to Pakistan that includes 15 AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters and 1,000 Hellfire II missiles, according to a Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) announcement.

The sale is intended to support Pakistan's counterterrorism and counterinsurgency operations with a precision-strike, enhanced-survivability aircraft that can operate at high-altitudes, according to DSCA's Monday announcement. Pakistan would use the gear in operations in the North Waziristan Agency, the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and other remote and mountainous areas in all-weather, day-and-night environments.

"This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a country vital to U.S. foreign policy and national security goals in South Asia," the announcement says.

The local Bell representatives in Pakistan, Access Zone, did not respond to queries regarding when they expected delivery should the deal be approved, or if they hoped more would be acquired to fully replace the approximately 48 Cobras currently in service.

Analysts in Pakistan expressed surprise at the announcement. Though the Viper had long been suggested as a replacement for the current fleet of AH-1F/S helicopter gunships, US congressional opposition seemed to make acquisition of further US equipment unlikely.

Analyst, author and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, Brian Cloughley, says he was "absolutely certain that the US would not supply any more attack helicopters."

But he welcomes the announcement.

"This is very good news for Pakistan on two counts: First, the Army is getting one of the most sophisticated attack helicopters in the world; second, it shows that the US has not abandoned Pakistan, as so many people thought it had," he said.

"It does require the assent of Congress," said Cloughley, "but if Congress were to block it this would send a negative message concerning its determination to keep up the war on terror."

This is not to say that unrestricted arms sales will resume as "it seems that the main criterion is that US-supplied materiel must be COIN [counterinsurgency] specific. There would be difficulty in providing systems that are obviously intended for general warfare, i.e. against India," Cloughley says.

Claude Rakisits, nonresident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council's South Asia Center, said that "in its deliberations about whether to approve such a sale to Pakistan, the fact that the provision of this new capability will not alter the military balance between the two nuclear-armed states – Pakistan and India – will make it easier for the lawmakers to agree to this sale."

The announcement comes at a time when multiple types of helicopters are being pursued, both to replace the Cobras, and potentially support paramilitary and special forces operations.

Analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said that even though it is a small number, the Vipers could replace at least some of the Cobras and it comes at a time when China has supplied three WZ-10 gunships, and Russia may be close to supplying approximately 20 Mi-35 Hinds

Agence France-Press reported Friday that Pakistan has in recent weeks focused its fight against the Taliban on the Tirah Valley, a Federally Administered Tribal Area, with a series of air strikes and ground assaults. Though the area, with steep valleys and dense woods, is inaccessible, Pakistan's military has claimed it has taken control of key terrain there.

Pakistan had sought new helicopter gunships for the best part of a decade to replace the Cobras, which have been fast wearing out due to the pace of operations against the Pakistani Taliban and its allies in and around the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan. In November, it appeared Pakistan was closing a deal for Mi-35 Hind heavy attack helicopters, based on a Pakistani radio interview with Russia's ambassador.

The US sale includes 32 T-700 GE 401C engines; 36 H-1 technical refresh mission computers; 17 AN/AAQ-30 target sight systems; 30 629F-23 ultra high frequency/very high frequency communication systems; 19 H-764 embedded global positioning system/inertial navigation systems; 32 helmet mounted display/optimized top owl; 17 APX-117A identification friend or foe; 17 AN/AAR-47 missile warning systems; 17 AN/ALE-47 countermeasure dispenser sets; 18 AN/APR-39C(V)2 radar warning receivers; 15 joint mission planning systems; and 17 M197 20mm gun systems.

Bell Helicopter, Textron, General Electric, Boeing and Lockheed Martin will be the principal contractors.

State Dept. OKs $952M Pakistan Helo Deal

US poised to sell nearly USD1 billion of attack helos, weapons to Pakistan

The US Department of State has approved a request from Pakistan for USD952 million worth of attack helicopters and weapons for use in Islamabad's ongoing counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency operations, the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) announced on 6 April.

Specifically, Pakistan has requested 15 Bell AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters, including engines and spares, as well as 1000 AGM-114 Hellfire II Missiles and their targeting and communications systems.

"This proposed sale will provide Pakistan with a precision strike, enhanced survivability aircraft that it can operate at high-altitudes," the DSCA said in a statement. "By acquiring this capability, Pakistan will enhance its ability to conduct operations in North Waziristan Agency (NWA), the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), and other remote and mountainous areas in all-weather, day-and-night environments."

The sale must still be approved by the US Congress.
Are we going to use these engines i.e 32 T-700 GE 401C engines for Cobras?
 
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Are we going to use these engines i.e 32 T-700 GE 401C engines for Cobras?

The T700-GE-401 and T700-GE-401C turboshaft engines, rated in the 2,000-shaft-horsepower class, are significantly more powerful than the engines of other manufacture powering earlier models of the H-1 series helicopters. The T700-GE-401C that powers the UH-1Y is a newer, more capable version of the T700-GE-401, offering eight percent more power. The T700-GE-401C is under consideration to power the AH-1Z in addition to the UH-1Y.

The T700-GE-401 and T700-GE-401C engines, combined with a new four-blade main rotor system, significantly increase the AH-1Z and UH-1Y payload and range capabilities. Further, based on an overall 85 percent commonality between the UH-1Y and AH-1Z aircraft, the Marine Corps expects to save $3 billion in operating and support costs over the 30-year expected life of the aircraft.

My guess is and its totally a guess that these engines will be used to upgrade the older cobras.
 
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I was quite shocked that a mere 15 heli export news has forced some forum members on other fora to go through these complex emotions


1. Denial and Isolation
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression

I can post quotes for all the above stages of loss/grief but wont as they are other fora. I can just wish them speedy

5. Acceptance
 
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It is Like Indians are Americas Peo/Abba. Their Equipment they sell it to whom they want. We dont cry when they bought AH-64 so why are they crying!!
 
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Realistically speaking .. We should go for Vipers aswell as upgraded Z-10s (Gives us a lot of flexibility - options for upgradation etc) !


Screw the MI-35s.... T-129 is a dead deal.

Mi-35 is a totally different machine for a completely different intended role. Frankly, nothing comes close to Mi-35 for that particular role. There ability to carry troops in and out of battle field and provide them with air support that competes with that of any other attack helicopter. Comparing fire power the Mi-35 are as good as any other platform and the ability to carry troops is a plus. These if inducted will be the work horse of SGS airborne troops.
 
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The Sale is under FMS program,So question remains still alive is it US funded or Pakistani Funded deal?

most probably Pakistan will use CSF funds for this purchases NDAA has authoriesd $ 1 billion for 2015 (its all speculative)

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I was quite shocked that a mere 15 heli export news has forced some forum members on other fora to go through these complex emotions


1. Denial and Isolation
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression

I can post quotes for all the above stages of loss/grief but wont as they are other fora. I can just wish them speedy

5. Acceptance
Indians are quite pissed of it is visible if you read their views on there defence forums
 
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Mmr is key difference
Here With local made LCH in our hand we can add equivalent ammunition and sensors anytime.
Also we can operate them in Large Numbers due to its indigenous Nature.

15 helos that to from Us which has threat of embargo anytime
You misuse them for gernal purpose even after paying 1 billion $

I say well played USA;);)

Looks like the rant of someone who is in a shock. Who cares what you will do with your money. We are getting something which we weren't expecting. And we would use it as we would like to. Just like in the past.
 
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Thing which interest more is acquisition of Engines .
32 T-700 GE 401C engines; 36 H-1 technical refresh mission computers; 17 AN/AAQ-30 target sight systems; 30 629F-23 ultra high frequency/very high frequency communication systems.32 helmet mounted display/optimized top owl; 17 APX-117A identification friend or foe.

I have question from expert ,When we are procuring these heli`s do we have to buy whole package on base model like engine mission computer etc .Can they be used to MLU for cobra`s like f-16 saga ? confused by these number`s ,doesn't sum up for me.
 
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