Agartala Conspiracy confession, what does it mean for our history

[Icewolf]

@xymt

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[kumarkumar1867]

how the F.U.C.K an ugly smelly hindu knows how punjabis treat others in Pakistan, same ***** you fed to Bangalis before.
and now you mofo hindus are unpset that pakistan doesnt trust you and you want to be friends/aman ki asha, well listen you rats we have seen back stabbing mofo hindus and we dont intend to trust you for next 1000 years....dont ever think we will leave you alone, we will drag you where we go, lol you want friendship and better realtions now...my a s s

we will make you tell your generation the worst mistake you made was to help break Pakistan.

First, Dude, dont show your character & level of thoughts by such language here, stop pretending like you heard this for first time & its not me who says this, google about it on internet to know more.
I can post links about sindhis or balochis here but I am not here to spoon-feed clowns like you who are good in verbal diarrhea instead to learning through available resources.

Second, about backstabbing, When Indian PM Vajpayee was roaming with indian legend squad on Lahore streets hoping for peace between India & Pakistan your army was preparing for Kargil, also Sheltering Dawood Ibrahim, demanding 26/11's culprit Abu Jundal's custody from Saudi authorities are still a bench mark examples of Backstabbing which Indians will never achieve.

Your nation initiated four wars in history so stop talking BS about trust & friendship.Also after 26/11, I personally give a fck to Aman ki Asha thing now you will get what you ask for. If you trust us we will think of it but if you dont who cares.

Third, dont forget about the fact that same ugly smelly hindus who fought for creation of bangladesh also fought for independence of United India when your muslim think tanks were happy serving Goras. You got freedom almost for no cost & your leaders except Mohd. Ali Jinnah incompetent of running country demanded a nation called Pakistan based on religion seizing a oppurtunity just like Mujib did.

 

[Cherokee]

At least Pakistan Army/ISI learned that our politicians support corrupt and disloyal politicians and let traiter free, so now ISI takes care of people like Mujeeb (as in Akbar Bugti)



how the F.U.C.K an ugly smelly hindu knows how punjabis treat others in Pakistan, same ***** you fed to Bangalis before.
and now you mofo hindus are unpset that pakistan doesnt trust you and you want to be friends/aman ki asha, well listen you rats we have seen back stabbing mofo hindus and we dont intend to trust you for next 1000 years....dont ever think we will leave you alone, we will drag you where we go, lol you want friendship and better realtions now...my a s s

we will make you tell your generation the worst mistake you made was to help break Pakistan.

It was in 1971 now its 2012 . Its been more than 41 years and the only thing we say that we smashed Pakistan in two and broke more than 60 % of Pakistan in terms of population . Moreover you Lost Siachen too Later on . And we have done it Maintaining our Sovereignty and Integrity . "Amreeka" is not dropping "Bumbs" on our head against our wishes . We are not rated amongst countries like Somalia in "failed Nation Index" . Shia Hazaras are not being Massacred in our country . Hot Chicks from Pakistan are jumping the pond from Karachi to Mumbai to work in Bollywood . I can go on and on and on but right now i think this is enough to wake you and make you change your sheets .


Regarding Religious Slur It's your proprietary . I would not say anything about Muslims because it will upset my Country's Muslim who are my brothers .

 

[Icewolf]

It was in 1971 now its 2012 . Its been more than 41 years and the only thing we say that we smashed Pakistan in two and broke more than 60 % of Pakistan in terms of population . Moreover you Lost Siachen too Later on . And we have done it Maintaining our Sovereignty and Integrity . "Amreeka" is not dropping "Bumbs" on our head against our wishes . We are not rated amongst countries like Somalia in "failed Nation Index" . Shia Hazaras are not being Massacred in our country . Hot Chicks from Pakistan are jumping the pond from Karachi to Mumbai to work in Bollywood . I can go on and on and on but right now i think this is enough to wake you and make you change your sheets .


Regarding Religious Slur It's your proprietary . I would not say anything about Muslims because it will upset my Country's Muslim who are my brothers .

1.2 billion population can only brng out 4 forbes companies, 2 gold medals, 600 million poor, a simple UAV engine, rape capital of the world, backward nations etc...

 

[Cherokee]

1.2 billion population can only brng out 4 forbes companies, 2 gold medals, 600 million poor, a simple UAV engine, rape capital of the world, backward nations etc...

Still Its 1.2 billion ppl living together , not like pakistan which lost more than 60 % of its Country in terms of Population just within 25 years of creation .

600 million is also above poverty line . Its like Alleviating Entire population of Pakistan above poverty 3 times over . For you the glass is half empty . For us its Half full . Maybe this pessimistic nature of pakistanis might be one of the reason why country is in its present shape .

 

[Srinivas]

Indians Plz don't answer this troll thread this thread is nothing but Kalu_miah's Stockholm syndrome. Time and again he will bash India with twisted facts and when some mean poster from indian answers to it he will start another version of his hatred.

Seems there are some BD's(Not all people but a handful) who are supported by pakistan are trying to gain some territory of india from north east(lol for their dreams). This is nothing but spreading the hatred with twisted facts.

 

[M_Saint]

First of all, some disclaimer. I am a loyal citizen of Bangladesh (as well as the US), but I believe we need to find facts about our own history. So these are part of my efforts to uncover some uncomfortable facts and ask some hard questions. Please do not take these efforts to mean that I am pro or anti independence of Bangladesh, I am neither and I accept it as a fait accompli, a done deal that cannot be reversed. Like the majority of Bangladeshi's living today, I had no role in that conflict in 1971. As far as I know my parents did not play any role either.

Agartala Conspiracy confession, what does it mean for our history.

Relevant PDF threads for reference:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/156104-isi-nabbed-traitors.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...tala-memogate-another-conspiracy-reality.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-history-strategy/50095-truth-1971-sheikh-haseena-wajid.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/124950-raw-says-mujib-not-their-agent.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/19050-book-review-india-doctrine-1947-2007-a-14.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-history-strategy/1870-creation-bangladesh-14.html#post92614
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...971-war-pakistan-vs-india-untold-story-2.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/31528-bangladesh-balochistan-3.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...eague-not-allowed-form-government-1971-a.html

I have been looking at life history of both Suhrawardy and Mujib to see where the seed of rebellion came from. The idea of United Bengal came from Suhrawardy:
Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



After partition however Suhrawardy gave up on this idea since it was rejected by people. He had been a loyal son of the country and had great accomplishment as a leader:
- solidified Pak-China and Pak-US ties
- moved towards free-market capitalism away from communism although he had a soft corner for socialism
- initiated plan for nuclear power generation as well as weapons in the future

But he had another side:



The above shows Suhrawardy's human side, he was no saint. But what piqued my interest about the above is this question: is it possible that Mujib was one of these goondas?

What I can see is that Suhrawardy was a person of integrity and foresight, and he was from a distinguished family. He tried the idea of United Bengal, as it was worth a try, but after partition, he dropped that idea, as anyone with a minimum knowledge of geopolitics would know that East Pakistan by itself would be a much more vulnerable entity with India on 3 sides. But if young Mujib was one of his goondas (I don't know for sure) then this could have given him the dream that one day he might be able to make East Pakistan secede from West Pakistan and rule over it as a benevolent king/dictator/dear-leader/bongo-bandhu?

Because what I see from Mujib's life history is that this person is the root of the seed of rebellion. This rebellion was made without considering the long term future of his people, who had taken this obsolete idea (United Independent Bengal) from Suhrawardy and turned it into his modified dream of truncated independent kingdom of East Bengal and proceeded to ally with an enemy state and people (Hindu's) to engineer a secession to make his dream come true:
Sheikh Mujibur Rahman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swadhin Bangal Biplobi Parishad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Again I see that demagogues and rabble rousers become leaders with little idea of geopolitics and lead nations and people to a direction with disastrous consequences for the people they lead, blind leading the blind. If Mujib was really knowledgeable about geopolitics, instead of working with Indian intelligence, he would work with ISI and Chinese intelligence to help Phizo and Laldenga to gain independence for North East states. Current Awami League rule is nothing but a continuation of this long tradition that started with Mujib:

- cooperation with India to control Bangladesh
- serve Indian national interest while ruling Bangladesh

Coming to the Agartala Conspiracy case:
Agartala Conspiracy Case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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People of then East Pakistan thought this was a case to frame popular leader Mujib to taint his reputation. But that impression was a lie, as we can see that Indian intelligence influenced media have established this myth, while in reality the opposite was true, as was admitted by Shawkat Ali:
Col. Shawkat Ali - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Funny thing is these shameless idiots are now trying to establish a treason case as some kind of heroic act. My question is why admit it in 2010 (or is it 2011), why not in 1968, when it mattered? Or why not in 1972? Why the silence for 40 long years?

35 'accused' honoured


Textbook%20'incorrectly'%20describes%20Agartala%20Case:%20Shawkat]Textbook 'incorrectly' describes Agartala Case: Shawkat


Note the attempt to establish a treason case as a "patriotic" case and include it in textbooks for 9th and 10th grade to brainwash new generation of Bangladeshi's.

What the above does not tell you is that 6 point "autonomy" movement was the deceptive facade that RAW/IB has designed together with these traitors so they could proceed with their plan for secession. They got caught red-handed by ISI only after some of them raided some armory against advice given by Indian intelligence (IB/RAW):
RAW says Mujib was not their agent :: Weekly Blitz

Of course Mujib never "worked" and got paid from Indian intelligence. His vision was that he was king of East Bengal, who was getting India's help to liberate his land. But note the lie in green by Shankaran Nair, as Shawkat Ali has already confessed about the truth of the Agartala case.

Questions:

1. Sure there was economic deprivation, but were the West Pakistani's killing us since 1950's?
2. Who gave the right to Mujib to make this decision on behalf of East Pakistan to secede?
2. Who started the killing, were it not the planned saboteurs of Indian trained Awami agents who started the killings of Biharis months before Operation Searchlight?
3. Who gave the right to Mujib to seek help and become the partner of our 800 year old enemy entity, Hindu's of South Asia?
4. Is it not possible that instead of seeking help from an enemy that hates us Muslims to the core, that we could confront and raise this issue with our "oppressor" the West Pakistani's who were fellow Muslims after all?
5. If some of our "leaders" did not conspire with our enemy and committed treason (partner with an enemy state to plan for secession) and if we tried to solve these issues honestly, frankly and in a straight forward way, do we think we would still be treated the way we were treated (operation searchlight)?

If we could peacefully resolve the differences between the two wings of Pakistan and achieve autonomy or amicable separation, then:

1. hundreds of thousands of people (Hindu's, Bengali Muslims, non-Bengali Muslims) would not be killed and become victims of rape and other atrocities
2. we could still have a better relationship between the 2nd and 3rd largest Muslim countries of the world
3. India would not gloat of their victory against West Pakistan and gifting us our "independence"
4. both parts would not become weaker, as both could share the nuclear power
5. India would not dare to proceed with its water terrorism, border violence and Shanti Bahini insurgency against Bangladesh
6. last but not least North East today may have become partly independent if not completely

Now can we say that India found a "useful idiot" who had a bunch of other idiot followers to achieve India's goal to break Pakistan, the largest Muslim country in the world, and thus reduce strategic threats for Indian nation? In the process, hundreds of thousands of people got killed in the civil war and a great rift was created among two of the largest Muslim communities of the world.

Now can we say that Awami League should never be trusted again by people of Bangladesh and it should be banned and abolished, so they cannot use India to hurt the national interest of Bangladesh any further?

Friends/Compatriots,

I propose Kalu Bhai for President, Idune Bhai for prime/foreign Minister, Luffy500 Bhai for General/Strategist against Malaunic war, Al-Zakir Bhai for spiritual leader and myself as a foot soldier for BD and the humanity. I guess that we could run BD better than RAWamy dalals, what do you think?

 

[kalu_miah]

Who are you to decide who is who in Bd-Pak affair? Awara kuttay ki tarah q bak ta hai humara gali mey. Mujib daughter la-Hasina already admit about traitor Mujib affiliation with agartala conspiracy. Mujib was traitor and it was Pakistan goverment failure for not hanging him on site.

Al-zakir Bhai, ISI (Pakistan govt.) did catch him and all others after some Agartala conspirators tried to raid an armory, as explained in OP, but Indian intelligence and Awami League cleverly used the deception of 6 point movement as a front to say that Sheikh Mujib was framed and our stupid emotional public believed the demagogue Sheikh Mujib rather than Pakistan govt. account of a "planned secession with help from Indian intelligence", which was the real truth.

This was mainly because, Mujib led Awami League together with Indian intelligence has carefully fed the public since 1950's with the idea that we were being ruled by new colonial ruler West Pakistan, exaggerating the unfair treatment that East Pakistan did receive in many sectors of economy and govt. So when ISI caught Agartala conspirators and the Indian RAW infiltrated media portrayed it as innocent Mujib being framed by ISI, then public became even more sympathetic to "innocent victim of framing" Mujib and Awami League.

In fact, this bungling (armory raid and getting caught) by Agartala conspirators was skillfully used by Indian intelligence to increase public sympathy for Mujib and Awami League and make Mujib into the highest profile national leader by 1969. In the meantime, Sergeant Jahurul Haque, an accused, was killed in a jail cell, by a West Pakistani guard. So this further inflamed public passion. Eventually Mujib was released under public pressure and he and Awami League went on to win election in 1970, mainly based on their popularity created by Agartala case. Taking advantage of the public agitation created by this case in 1969 in East Pakistan, West Pakistan politicians also agitated and all these events contributed to the fall of Ayub Khan govt.

Now it should be clear to all, why there is a saying called:
Popular opinion is the greatest lie.

And of course it is always good to remember the Big Lie theory:
Big Lie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

With lie (that Mujib did not plan to secede with India's help), deception (6 point "autonomy" movement) and media propaganda, Awami League and Indian intelligence were able to hide their joint project of breaking Pakistan and instead made "innocent victim" Mujib the most popular leader and made possible for Awami league to win almost all seats in 1970 election. So, as much as it pains me to see the gullible stupidity of my people, I have to admire Indian intelligence how skillfully they navigated these difficult waters and shaped our public opinion to serve Indian interest. Unfortunately West Pakistan leadership was no match for them. I am sad to say that the leadership of Pakistan and Bangladesh since 1971 are still no match for Indian intelligence.

So Pakistan govt. in 1968 was already facing this tremendous hostile public. Awami League had considerable support and Hindu's were still close to at least 15% of the population, so street agitation with Indian funding was not difficult to achieve.

I think India was also using Gandhian non-violent street agitation as people power, as it was successful in ending British rule and it was a well understood method by politicians of that age already including young Mujib, which Arab spring people are just learning to use. Those who rule the street, also rule the state. So Pakistan govt. was in no position to hang Mujib, also they lacked evidence as most state witnesses under behind the scene pressure from Awami League goons buckled and did not provide evidence I think. So the case dragged on and eventually Mujib was released.

Agartala Conspiracy Case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Supply&Demand]

i am proud to be a bengali but thank god i was not born in Bangladesh!!!

Man !! i have never seen such a pathetic group of people as some Bangladeshis are...

 

[Zabaniyah]

Well, the Agartala Conspiracy indeed really did happen. There is no question about that.

The question is, why was Mujib along with his compatriots set free? Strange as it may seem.

I guess Hasina has now shut her big mouth regarding the issue. Honestly, I respect Mujib for speaking out for the rights of Bengalis. But the man really went overkill. And a delusional one at that. We still see that today.

Some powerful folks simply refuse to take responsibility for history.

 

[kalu_miah]

Can anyone tell me what happened on August 15, 1975??

Please look at details here and the listed sources:

Assassination of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[TopCat]

Why are you beating the bush every freaking day and don't let us discuss any Economic or Defense related news in Bangladesh. This is not a political platform to run your campaign for the next election.

AL is the biggest political party in this country. Mujib have zillions of followers. You can call them Dalal, RAW agent etc but at the end of the day you got to live with it and they will certainly rule the majority of the future of Bangladesh. Better discuss what is good or bad going on in country regardless of political party in the power. I don't know whether it helps or not but one of my comment in a newspaper actually included in our constitution even though I don't get the credit for it. I suggested that the Bismillah should be translated to Bengali so that all religion can read it as their own and surprise they actually did it.

 

[kalu_miah]

Mujib was aware of the Arartola conspiracy. From the prism of Pakistan he was a traitor. From the prism of Bangladesh it was necessary to become a sovereign entity in our own rights.

Mujib was one of sowrwarddis enforcer and his protege.

It really is not a big deal. Pakistan is no more and history need only be from the Bangladeshi perspective. I for one do not believe Pakistan would have survived, mujib was the right man at the right time and was able to exploit the situation. It is interesting to note that both mujib and Bhutto had Hindu mothers, both their loyalty to the Muslim cause can be called to question.

Anyway I would suggest forget the past. Move forward and develop our respective countries.

Mujib was one of the architect of Agartala conspiracy, not just aware of it. Prior to 1971 March 27, there was no Bangladesh, and we are talking about 1967 and 1961 where we find info that Mujib was active in sedition and treason. Since there was only Pakistan at that time, based on his recorded actions, he could be called nothing but a traitor in my opinion.

What prism of Bangladesh did we have in 1960's other than a plan hatched by Mujib and Indian intelligence?

So you are agreeing that Mujib was in fact a sidekick and "goon" of Suhrawardy?

With due respect, sir, I disagree with the view that this is no big deal. For history there is no Bangladesh or Pakistan perspective, there is only one version of history, its called the best estimation of the truth from first hand account of witnesses and best available written sources:

History - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History (from Greek ἱστορία - historia, meaning "inquiry, knowledge acquired by investigation"[2]) is the discovery, collection, organization, and presentation of information about past events. History can also mean the period of time after writing was invented. Scholars who write about history are called historians. It is a field of research which uses a narrative to examine and analyse the sequence of events, and it sometimes attempts to investigate objectively the patterns of cause and effect that determine events.[3][4] Historians debate the nature of history and its usefulness. This includes discussing the study of the discipline as an end in itself and as a way of providing "perspective" on the problems of the present.[3][5][6][7]

Whether Pakistan would have survived or not is immaterial, we are only trying to uncover what really happened behind the scenes, who did what at which point in time. I did however mention that without Indian interference, we could always get an amicable divorce or become fully autonomous and avoid the death and misery of 1971, but these are all hypothetical pointless speculations of no value.

Again, with due respect Sir, we should never forget the past, we need to learn from the past. We need to learn how we got where we are now, in order for us to find a way out of our current situation. Uncovering this history helps us understand the true nature of Awami League, Mujib and Indian intelligence involvement in creation of Bangladesh. That is why I mentioned, if this is true, should we not consider Awami League as enemy no. 1 of Bangladeshi people and its interest, as well as the enemy of world Muslim community and their future interest? If the answer to these questions are yes, then as a country and people we should ponder what to do with Awami League in the future and if it should be banned as an anti-national party and dissolved in perpetuity.

The last sentence you said, I agree with, we need to move towards the future, but the first step towards our future has to do with dealing with the existence of this party called Awami League. Without this first step, in my opinion, we will not be able to take any second step.

 

[Jackdaws]

Kalu Miah,

I love this line
"Who gave the right to Mujib to seek help and become the partner of our 800 year old enemy entity, Hindu's of South Asia?"

Err - I would assume the fact that he was the truly elected leader of all of Pakistan gave him that right.

800 year old enemy entity? You do realize if that were true - India would be in a constant state of civil war.

And this is what was done to your countrymen because they voted Mujib in. They exercised their right to universal adult franchise and this is what happened to them - I am posting this because it is a British fact finding mission - not Indian propaganda -

Bangladeshi Refugee camp in India - YouTube

 

[kalu_miah]

Friends/Compatriots,

I propose Kalu Bhai for President, Idune Bhai for prime/foreign Minister, Luffy500 Bhai for General/Strategist against Malaunic war, Al-Zakir Bhai for spiritual leader and myself as a foot soldier for BD and the humanity. I guess that we could run BD better than RAWamy dalals, what do you think?

M_Saint Bhai, thanks for your kind words, but you know well, I am only searching for the truth. I have no interest in power. But I would like to see Bangladesh civil society get more organized and united and bring positive changes for the country.

Why are you beating the bush every freaking day and don't let us discuss any Economic or Defense related news in Bangladesh. This is not a political platform to run your campaign for the next election.

AL is the biggest political party in this country. Mujib have zillions of followers. You can call them Dalal, RAW agent etc but at the end of the day you got to live with it and they will certainly rule the majority of the future of Bangladesh. Better discuss what is good or bad going on in country regardless of political party in the power. I don't know whether it helps or not but one of my comment in a newspaper actually included in our constitution even though I don't get the credit for it. I suggested that the Bismillah should be translated to Bengali so that all religion can read it as their own and surprise they actually did it.

I am glad to hear of your achievement about the change in constitution.

About beating about the bush and telling me what to do and showing your irritation about creating this thread, I think you are no mod and in no position to use such words. If you do not like my threads, complain to the mods or report it.

About telling me how big and powerful Awami League is and how they will rule the country in the future - sorry, I could care less. I deal with the truth and nothing but the truth. Who it affects and how it affects them, is not my problem.