After the Syrian Pullback: What Next for U.S. Middle East Policy?

[vi-va]

Former US Assistant Secretary of Defense Mary Beth Long view on US Turkey relationship

I have to say I disagree vehemently that the U.S. actions on the northeast border Syria pushed turkey into being the turkey of today.

The turkey of today is no longer the secular turkey that was the original member of NATO.
The turkey of today it has an extremist as it's increasingly dictatorial authoritative leader.
He has put his own journalists and his own teachers and other civilians in jail repeatedly.
He has facilitated through 2012 through 2014 the Iranian nuclear and other programs by going around the blockades, and the embargoes and sanctions against Iran.
He is currently illegally have gas extraction activities off the coast of Cyprus.
He has purchased the S-400 from Syria, excuse me from Russia only after which we had to talk him out of purchasing the command-and-control communication system from the Chinese.

Shall we go on so he dares to come to our capital and unleashes his thugs against protesters who are across the street and push them around and beat them. This is no good buddy of ours that somehow we are responsible for the deep freeze or the cold air in our relationship. This is a turkey that is not a good ally full stop.

This is a turkey that the Turkish people increasingly with their ability to vote, are voicing their concern and their opposition to Erdogan. So this is not a regime that we should be facilitating and we darn sure shouldn't be facilitating the aggressive extraterritorial aggression of this regime either in Iraq or Syria full stop


Mary Beth Long

From 2007-2009, Long served as the first woman confirmed by the U.S. Senate as an Assistant Secretary of Defense, and as such, was the first female civilian four-star military equivalent in the history of the Pentagon.

 

[Avicenna]

She's a retard with an agenda.

Also, shes visibly agitated with all that leg shaking.

Completely overly emotional.

Wow.

 

[TNT]

Lolz a country that invades and destroys another country on the pretext of WMD and then doesn't find any, should not tell others how to defend themselves and where to buy from.

 

[xenon54 out]

Former US Assistant Secretary of Defense Mary Beth Long view on US Turkey relationship

I have to say I disagree vehemently that the U.S. actions on the northeast border Syria pushed turkey into being the turkey of today.

The turkey of today is no longer the secular turkey that was the original member of NATO.
The turkey of today it has an extremist as it's increasingly dictatorial authoritative leader.
He has put his own journalists and his own teachers and other civilians in jail repeatedly.
He has facilitated through 2012 through 2014 the Iranian nuclear and other programs by going around the blockades, and the embargoes and sanctions against Iran.
He is currently illegally have gas extraction activities off the coast of Cyprus.
He has purchased the S-400 from Syria, excuse me from Russia only after which we had to talk him out of purchasing the command-and-control communication system from the Chinese.

Shall we go on so he dares to come to our capital and unleashes his thugs against protesters who are across the street and push them around and beat them. This is no good buddy of ours that somehow we are responsible for the deep freeze or the cold air in our relationship. This is a turkey that is not a good ally full stop.

This is a turkey that the Turkish people increasingly with their ability to vote, are voicing their concern and their opposition to Erdogan. So this is not a regime that we should be facilitating and we darn sure shouldn't be facilitating the aggressive extraterritorial aggression of this regime either in Iraq or Syria full stop


Mary Beth Long

From 2007-2009, Long served as the first woman confirmed by the U.S. Senate as an Assistant Secretary of Defense, and as such, was the first female civilian four-star military equivalent in the history of the Pentagon.

Looks like she knows nothing about Turkey, explains the US policy of today and why its doomed to fail.

 

[vi-va]

Looks like she knows nothing about Turkey, explains the US policy of today and why its doomed to fail.

I think She represent those Americans analysis whose diplomacy is base ideology. While Mike is much more pragmatic and his policy is purely base on interest. Mike said US has no friends, only interest.

China diplomacy is base on mutual interest, not ideology at all, otherwise there will be no CPEC.

I would agree with Mike, because NATO need Turkey as long as they want to contain Russia. and I believe the Yankees will sit down and solve the problems with Erdogan in the end of day, they won't push Turkey further into Russia-Iran camp.

There is one thing nobody dare to talk about - why US allied with PKK, who made such a diplomacy decision. I think it's Israel.

China will do the same thing if China was in Turkey position, fcuk the Yankees if they allied with our enemy. But as you also heard from Mike, they are waiting for Erdogan/Putin's step down. They will install a puppet if they can.

Tbh, Turkey is divided on ideology, there are half Turks population pro west. Imo, the west will fix ties with Erdogan in this moment and wait for next President.

They also talked about the tension between Russia and Iran in the post Syrian war era. They plan to work with Russia and Assad to kick Iranians out of Syria.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning" - Churchill.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I think She represent those Americans analysis whose diplomacy is base ideology. While Mike is much more pragmatic and his policy is purely base on interest. Mike said US has no friends, only interest.

China diplomacy is base on mutual interest, not ideology at all, otherwise there will be no CPEC.

I would agree with Mike, because NATO need Turkey as long as they want to contain Russia. and I believe the Yankees will sit down and solve the problems with Erdogan in the end of day, they won't push Turkey further into Russia-Iran camp.

There is one thing nobody dare to talk about - why US allied with PKK, who made such a diplomacy decision. I think it's Israel.

China will do the same thing if China was in Turkey position, fcuk the Yankees if they allied with our enemy. But as you also heard from Mike, they are waiting for Erdogan/Putin's step down. They will install a puppet if they can.

Tbh, Turkey is divided on ideology, there are half Turks population pro west. Imo, the west will fix ties with Erdogan in this moment and wait for next President.

They also talked about the tension between Russia and Iran in the post Syrian war era. They plan to work with Russia and Assad to kick Iranians out of Syria.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning" - Churchill.

Very pragmatic points made here the US establishment is not keen on letting Turkey off from western led institutions cause its a land bridge between Europe and Asia plus in the past Turkey was suppose to be the lynchpin against Russia ,China,Iran in Central Asia and Syria/Mid East hence why they let the whole "Pan Turkic" ambitions unabated but now with Erdogan tilting towards Russia now Turkey is bad boy again the US public is stupid they dont know who their allies are and how the US govt conducts foreign policy, as for one thing the OP missed and I think left out was the potential of a gap between Russia and China the main juggernauts that the west fears Russia was not always anti western Putin in the 2000s was more concerned about China increasing influence in Siberia, and Central Asia and wanted to ally with the west but the west was too drunk on the post 1991 "win" over the Soviet Union, by expanding NATO into former Eastern Bloc and Soviet States beyond Poland as agreed in the late 1990s and early to mid 2000s and the increasing use of color revalutions in Georgia,Kyrgystan, and Ukraine led to deep mistrust leading to Russia to get closer to Eurasianism in its outlook and allying with China question how long can it last its up to Moscow and Beijing to decide

 

[xenon54 out]

There is one thing nobody dare to talk about - why US allied with PKK, who made such a diplomacy decision. I think it's Israel.

All the powerful lobbies in the US (Zionist, Armenian) are currently against Turkey so they will obviously push US to strike Turkey where it hurst most even thought it wont serve any US interest in the first place.
US is not being ruled by its people, its being ruled by powerful lobbies, its funny to even call it a democracy at this point.

 

[vi-va]

All the powerful lobbies in the US (Zionist, Armenian) are currently against Turkey so they will obviously push US to strike Turkey where it hurst most even thought it wont serve any US interest in the first place.
US is not being ruled by its people, its being ruled by powerful lobbies, its funny to even call it a democracy at this point.

Agreed. The most funny thing is the Yankees were brainwashed and brag about their superior political system, which is deeply corrupted, controlled by power interest group. Has little to do with their people.

Every societies are different, has different history, ideology and interest. The west want liberal hegemony, which they call it universal value. While actions speak louder than words. The west only care about interest, those universal value is the means to brainwash those immature youth, such as Hongkongers.

US failed in ME, spent trillions and got nothing out of it.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Agreed. The most funny thing is the Yankees were brainwashed and brag about their superior political system, which is deeply corrupted, controlled by power interest group. Has little to do with their people.

Every societies are different, has different history, ideology and interest. The west want liberal hegemony, which they call it universal value. While actions speak louder than words. The west only care about interest, those universal value is the means to brainwash those immature youth, such as Hongkongers.

US failed in ME, spent trillions and got nothing out of it.

Immature Youth are easy to brainwash into the western fold anywhere be it China,Iran,Pakistan,Russia, or anywhere else cause the west is excellent at soft power the largest audience for Hollywood films is not the US heck in the US Hollywood is not loved by much of the public as its not a actual reflection of American society at large so guess why Hollywood loves China and Asia cause most folks watch their films and lets be honest most Chinese folks love Hollywood films than a average American hence why films are starting to tailor to China,China soft power lacks it need to improve so does other nations the US still holds entertainment industry and propaganda than most countries in the world today besides the UK

 

[xenon54 out]

Agreed. The most funny thing is the Yankees were brainwashed and brag about their superior political system, which is deeply corrupted, controlled by power interest group. Has little to do with their people.

Every societies are different, has different history, ideology and interest. The west want liberal hegemony, which they call it universal value. While actions speak louder than words. The west only care about interest, those universal value is the means to brainwash those immature youth, such as Hongkongers.

US failed in ME, spent trillions and got nothing out of it.

To be clear i agree with the moral values of the west mostly, im all for democracy, freedom of speech (even thought it can never be implemented 100%) and a couple other things.

Yet i dont see the US being a role model of the western values, and yes i agree that the political system of the US is deeply corrupted and in no way representative of what a democracy should be like, there are at least two dozen countries doing a much better job in this regard.

 

[Indos]

Agreed. The most funny thing is the Yankees were brainwashed and brag about their superior political system, which is deeply corrupted, controlled by power interest group. Has little to do with their people.

Every societies are different, has different history, ideology and interest. The west want liberal hegemony, which they call it universal value. While actions speak louder than words. The west only care about interest, those universal value is the means to brainwash those immature youth, such as Hongkongers.

US failed in ME, spent trillions and got nothing out of it.

Are you a US citizen mate ?

 

[Yankee-stani]

To be clear i agree with the moral values of the west mostly, im all for democracy, freedom of speech (even thought i can never be implemented 100%) and a couple other things.

Yet i dont see the US being a role model of the western values, and yes i agree that the political system of the US is deeply corrupted and in no way representative of what a democracy should be like, there are at least two dozen countries doing a much better job in this regard.

Turkey and Russia should be good balance of the west and east as intended but the problem is Europe is America's puppy so long as NATO exists the US politics is a joke left and right wing play on emotions over substance

 

[Ritual]

No one can trust the US anymore, that is clear from the latest moves and actually since 2001.

They ruined Iraq, Syria, Libya and now even their supposed allies like Saudi are just treated as mere cash machines.

I think the US has a declining future here at least for the next century, it will return to the pre-20th century situation with the US is at best a secondary player. NATO also cannot do what it did in the recent era, it is an outdated alliance for a changing globe especially as Europe is also in decline economically & socially.

 

[Yankee-stani]

No one can trust the US anymore, that is clear from the latest moves and actually since 2001.

They ruined Iraq, Syria, Libya and now even their supposed allies like Saudi are just treated as mere cash machines.

I think the US has a declining future here at least for the next century, it will return to the pre-20th century situation with the US is at best a secondary player. NATO also cannot do what it did in the recent era, it is an outdated alliance for a changing globe especially as Europe is also in decline economically & socially.

If the West really wants to counter China it needs to pry Moscow back Russia is also in decline for different reasons but China is helping the in a sort of "marriage of convenience" situation if the west and America wants to counter China and in the Mid East Iran they need to pry Moscow back but its getting doubtful that would happen anytime soon

 

[xenon54 out]

Turkey and Russia should be good balance of the west and east as intended but the problem is Europe is America's puppy so long as NATO exists the US politics is a joke left and right wing play on emotions over substance

This will ultimately hurt the US interests in the long run.
Betraying a big state that fought besides you in Korea, Yugoslavia, Cold War, Afghanistan and many more in alomst 7 decades for the sake of a couple rag tags just because some lobbies want it is never a good idea.
Espacially if that ally sits in such a strategic location where any change of sides could shift the power center of the world dramatically.

This might sound fat fetched yet it only need a small nudge to start a domino effect.