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Peace in the country,peace in the worldHopefully you will live to see them into your inventory. We will bomb the death out of Greece
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Peace in the country,peace in the worldHopefully you will live to see them into your inventory. We will bomb the death out of Greece
Peace in the country,peace in the world
Italian cofee ?Try out the Saudi tea is too thick. I don't drink tea though, period.
Italian cofee ?
For Pakistanis: Please ponder this. Why are the Pakistani nukes topmost concerns for the Americans NOW? There is no major civil war in Pakistan. If anything the security of the nukes have been greatly strengthened since 9/11--with American help! The idea that Talibans or any non-military entity can 'take over' is absurd.
There is only one conclusion I can draw from this: Plans are on fast track to neutralize the Pakistani nuclear capability, especially in the 'fog of war' around Pakistan.
Take NK for example, the country is a much lesser nuclear power, barely worthy of the name. It is much more defiant than Pakistan against USA interests. In fact Pakistan complies with the USA on most subjects and even turns a blind eye on drone strikes. Yet the USA has never attacked NK, why Pakistan?
Lol....I love debating kids who know zero history and weren't around when this all happened....you and the kitty should split the tin-foil.
I was around and am more familiar than most, but I didn't live in the region so I may miss a few details. From what I understand "Taliban" means "student" and the name came from Pakistani Madrassas. And yes, I agree that the former Mujahideen were out of control...and tearing the country apart.
I highlighted the role of US in shift in ground realities of Middle East and its surroundings in current times. This is an important facet of this discussion.To OP, many of the replies are simple phantasms, the people who wrote them could not defend the idea for the life of them. I cannot tell if it's because of lack of knowledge, reasoning ability or general trolling. take this one for example.
US "interests" are not just about OIL. In addition, US is not dependent upon Libya for its OIL related needs.Libya: went on to fully comply with the west in 2004 [1] , fully abandoned the nuclear program, paid the victims of the Pan-AM sponsored terror attack their money. Cooperation with European states. Practically the dream for the USA and Europe. The situation now is much worse for them, the tribal war has caused instability in oil flow which effect their economy for the worse. The civil war there was caused by their tribal nature, some of the tribes saw a chance to grab for power and took it. It paid off and Gaddafi's tribe lost. Even the bombing campaign was not started by the USA and neither did the USA took a leading part in it.
Iranian influence cannot spread beyond the Shia faction of Iraq on ground; Iraq is split between 3 major factions in total (Only 1 faction is friendly to Iran). Situation is like this:Iraq: Currently Iraq is a much bigger threat to USA interests in the region then it was in 2003. Now Iraq is heavily influenced by Iran, the main rival of the USA in the region, one simple example is that it allows the Irani planes with military supplies to fly over the country to Syria against USA's wishes.
Well, an excuse have been found to target Assad. This will mark the beginning of degradation of Syrian threat and influence in Middle East. Syria has close links with Iran and Russia and this game can be altered.Syria: So far Western involvement was minimal to non resistant, despite what some conspiracy theorists would tell you it started as genuine demonstrations against a dictatorship, definitely not something uncommon. What was different though was the atmosphere in the Arab world, those were the days after powerful Mubarak lost his seat as well as the ruler of Tunisia, and Gadaffi was hanging in the balance, so they dared to oppose him even after he started massacring the civilians with machine guns, snipers and mortars.
It held long enough till the extremists who just finished their fighting against the USA moved to Syria from Iraq and Afghanistan and the war was fully on it's way. (similar to what happened with the extremists after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, though it was to the Caucasus, Balkans and the horn of Africa at the time).
It isn't hard to figure out that Iranian influence in Middle East in Post-Saddam era is under challenge in the light of existing ground realities of the aforementioned region. Degradation of Syria will leave the door open to checkmate Iranian influence on ground as well and not just through Arabian Sea. Iran would no longer have the option to use Syria as a staging ground of its military operations to extend the reach of its firepower within the Middle East and its surroundings. Iran would not be in the position to come within striking distance of Israel anymore. Furthermore, proxies of Iran in Syria will be counter-checked by proxies of other beneficiaries in the same country.I am sorry that it's so long, but it's hard to convey rational is short sentences.
NK benefits from its location and being a darling of China.I am not sure where this attack against Pakistani nukes ideas are coming from.
The USA has never dared to directly face a nuclear power in the past.
Take NK for example, the country is a much lesser nuclear power, barely worthy of the name. It is much more defiant than Pakistan against USA interests. In fact Pakistan complies with the USA on most subjects and even turns a blind eye on drone strikes. Yet the USA has never attacked NK, why Pakistan?
Even should the USA employ some kind of a terror tactics against the Nukes, it's hard to believe that it would be successful. The nuclear sites are probably well guarded and are secured in highly resistant bunkers, what kind of explosive the "terrorists" would use to get through? remember they cannot use anything that will directly and unquestionably lead to a 1st world country...
And all that without taking into account that the terrible risk that the Pakistani will understand what's up and give nuclear elements to unstable actors, or put down an nuclear ultimatum to the USA on the subject. Nukes are not toys.
Depends upon several factors:-No!!!!! The very idea of De-Nuking is absurd at best. How can one neutralize the nukes of a country? I might declare I have a 100 nukes and neutralize them , but I might have another 500 secretly stored in some underground bunker in the mountains. It is possible to prevent a country from building nukes, but it is impossible to neutralize the nukes once the country has it(or rather, there is no legitimate way of knowing if a country has neutralized its nukes). Your theory is illogical like most other conspiracy theories.
You have some good points--and frankly none of us can be sure. However, I tend to think in a regional war people will go ape crazy and try to neutralize each possible opponent preemptively.
Pakistan is in a different strategic situation than NK; the latter can't be attacked not only because of the nukes but also the huge conventional threat to Seoul and American forces there. Pakistan is anti-Israel. Has always been. And probably remain so until the Palestinian issue is resolved. Pakistan is a very grave potential danger to Israel. The only country with the will and the resources to retaliate Israel in case of a nuclear exchange involving, say, KSA. You should not fail to notice the intense focus on Pakistani nukes--the Black Budget is but a latest news item. Pakistan is in the cross hair for a long, long time.
I hope I am wrong but in a regional war Pakistani nukes are a likely target.
PS. My personal preference would be that Iran and the Arab world learn to live together and let peace prevail in the world. We don't want another stinking war which will hurt us all except the damn war profiteers.
did i say anything about Iran invading the Taliban and Iraq along with the states? i said Iranian are in cahoots with the Zionist, that means conspiring secretly together against someone. but i bet its normal for iranians to take the discussion elsewhere because u r the masters of falsehood/tacqhiyyaa or whatever u call thses days. anyhow does iran contra affair ring any bell?they went in to remove Saddam and the Taliban which was a strategic blunder, of course Iran took an advantage of this. Other countries also worked hard to promote their own interests in the region like India, China, and Russia.
The politicians decided to invade Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11. But these countries had nothing to do with 9/11. Osama a former CIA agent was found at his home in Pakistan!
so exactly where Iran comes in? Im not so sure.
Dear all
Any members could post prediction of future of middle east countries ?
The above is just my views. Please do not insult any body.
The question is:
1. Whats the future of Syrian, Egypt, Iran, Turkey and GCC ? (complicated but please give reason)
2. Will any of them go for purified islam stage or go for secularisation like Christian in EU ?