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[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Well, the style of Javanese muslim at the times is like that, look at contemporary Dutch painter at the time like Nicolas pieneman, depicts the surrender of Diponegoro.
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Wow. That is totally a Persian-Turkic origin costume he is wearing. I always think of Indonesia as being far away, but it seems you had a lot of commonalities with us.

 

[Indos]

Wow. That is totally a Persian-Turkic origin costume he is wearing. I always think of Indonesia as being far away, but it seems you had a lot of commonalities with us.

Indonesian ancient kingdom flag is also quite similar with Ottoman flag

Aceh Sultanate flag (Sumatra Island)

Mataram Sultanate (Java Island)

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Where?Cant see any legacy.

His conquests enabled Islam to flourish across Afghanistan and Pakistan, and he greatly influenced the culture of Pakistan.

He burnt lahore

He torched and depopulated the old city, but then rebuilt it into what is now Lahore, and other people from his empire then moved in to repopulate it. And this doesn't change the fact that Lahore was his winter capital.

sold its inhabitants into slavery or massacred them.Thats what he did to your ancestors.

They probably aren't my ancestors since they all either got killed, ran to India, or were enslaved. And I already told you, many people from Pakistan (and even India) fought in his army:

http://www.barmazid.com/2016/11/ghaznavids-had-large-number-of-hindus.html

bolstered by local afghan tribesmen and later indian mercenaries.

Exactly, Pashtuns and Indo-Aryans fought in his army. Both groups are present in Pakistan, so for you to say "lol he crushed your ancestors" doesn't make any sense. Especially when most Muslims from Pakistan and northern India are (partially) descended from people who came to the sub-continent during these conquests.

If you want to become that rematch guy yourself,don't worry we already had that rematch.With your population and size reduced by half in 1971.

Doesn't change the fact that you lost all the other wars with Pakistan (other than the one that took place in the Siachen), or that Muslims completely battered your country for hundreds of years.

And trust me when I say most Pakistanis have never cared much for Bangladesh, even back then. They just generated revenue for the Western mainland via their agriculture, only a select few of them were ever actually valued as equal citizens (not saying I approve, but that's the blunt truth).

I must say I'm disappointed that you, as a think tank, resorted to saying petty (and incorrect) insults constantly repeated by Indian trolls such as "lol your ancestors got rekt" and "we broke you in two". We were having a perfectly normal conversation. But if you want to be like this, I can play along.

I also don't understand why Indians are so obsessed about ancestry. We are Muslims, so naturally our heroes would be (no surprise here) other Muslims. What's next? Are you going to say we can't be proud of our Prophets (peace be upon them all), or their companions (may Allah be pleased with them)? Countries, like we have today, weren't even a thing back then. In those times, there was only Darul Islam (Muslim land), Darul Harb (hostile land), and Darul Ahd (land which Muslims have a truce with). That's how we (practising Muslims) view history.

Please name some of these men.All his generals were turkish ghulams

Wrong, he had Indo-Aryan generals such as Tilak.

 

[pothead]

Every culture should celebrate their legacy.

This is non negotiable, be it Hindu, Christian, muslim, Buddhist or any other.

The govt in power is obliged to help the people of the nation to propagate their culture.

 

[Kailash Kumar]

Where are most Suriname Hindustanis from?

Our ancestors have come from all parts of the Indian subcontinent.
But most came from what is now Uttar Pradesh and Bihar.
A part comes from Punjab (especially the Muslim Hindustanis).

Do you have Muslims in your community?

Yes.
Around 30 % of all Surinamese Hindustanis are Muslim.

Most of them are Sunni where the Barelvi school has played a more important role in the last years.
This has to do with Pakistani influence.
Since the 1980's many Pakistani came to The Netherlands.
They had no mosques.
Surinamese Hindustanis did have mosques.
And so, the Pakistanis went to their mosques.
And when they went there they brought the Barelvi school of thought with them.

A significant minority are Ahmadiyyas.
I know that many Pakistanis do not see Ahmadiyyas as Muslim.
But they are not part of the Qadiani group (the majority of Ahmadiyya).
They are all Lahore Ahmadiyyas (0.2 % of all Ahmadiyyas in the world).
This movement was founded (in Lahore of course) by Maulana Muhammad Ali after a disagreement with the Ahmadiyya movement.
Lahore Ahmadiyyas are different in a way that they do not believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was a profet, but a mere reformer and that Muhammad was the last profet.
There are other differences, which I think does make them Muslim.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Indonesian ancient kingdom flag is also quite similar with Ottoman flag

Aceh Sultanate flag (Sumatra Island)

Mataram Sultanate (Java Island)

Your flags are also quite similar to Mughal flags which used tigers, lions, and swords along with star and crescents.

I wonder how much contact Mughal Empire had with Indonesia and Malaysia.

His conquests enabled Islam to flourish across Afghanistan and Pakistan, and he greatly influenced the culture of Pakistan.



He torched and depopulated the old city, but then rebuilt it into what is now Lahore, and other people from his empire then moved in to repopulate it. And this doesn't change the fact that Lahore was his winter capital.



They probably aren't my ancestors since they all either got killed, ran to India, or were enslaved. And I already told you, many people from Pakistan (and even India) fought in his army:

http://www.barmazid.com/2016/11/ghaznavids-had-large-number-of-hindus.html



Exactly, Pashtuns and Indo-Aryans fought in his army. Both groups are present in Pakistan, so for you to say "lol he crushed your ancestors" doesn't make any sense. Especially when most Muslims from Pakistan and northern India are (partially) descended from people who came to the sub-continent during these conquests.



Doesn't change the fact that you lost all the other wars with Pakistan (other than the one that took place in the Siachen), or that Muslims completely battered your country for hundreds of years.

And trust me when I say most Pakistanis have never cared much for Bangladesh, even back then. They just generated revenue for the Western mainland via their agriculture, only a select few of them were ever actually valued as equal citizens (not saying I approve, but that's the blunt truth).

I must say I'm disappointed that you, as a think tank, resorted to saying petty (and incorrect) insults constantly repeated by Indian trolls such as "lol your ancestors got rekt" and "we broke you in two". We were having a perfectly normal conversation. But if you want to be like this, I can play along.

I also don't understand why Indians are so obsessed about ancestry. We are Muslims, so naturally our heroes would be (no surprise here) other Muslims. What's next? Are you going to say we can't be proud of our Prophets (peace be upon them all), or their companions (may Allah be pleased with them)? Countries, like we have today, weren't even a thing back then. In those times, there was only Darul Islam (Muslim land), Darul Harb (hostile land), and Darul Ahd (land which Muslims have a truce with). That's how we (practising Muslims) view history.



Wrong, he had Indo-Aryan generals such as Tilak.

Great post.

Our ancestors have come from all parts of the Indian subcontinent.
But most came from what is now Uttar Pradesh and Bihar.
A part comes from Punjab (especially the Muslim Hindustanis).



Yes.
Around 30 % of all Surinamese Hindustanis are Muslim.

Most of them are Sunni where the Barelvi school has played a more important role in the last years.
This has to do with Pakistani influence.
Since the 1980's many Pakistani came to The Netherlands.
They had no mosques.
Surinamese Hindustanis did have mosques.
And so, the Pakistanis went to their mosques.
And when they went there they brought the Barelvi school of thought with them.

A significant minority are Ahmadiyyas.
I know that many Pakistanis do not see Ahmadiyyas as Muslim.
But they are not part of the Qadiani group (the majority of Ahmadiyya).
They are all Lahore Ahmadiyyas (0.2 % of all Ahmadiyyas in the world).
This movement was founded (in Lahore of course) by Maulana Muhammad Ali after a disagreement with the Ahmadiyya movement.
Lahore Ahmadiyyas are different in a way that they do not believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was a profet, but a mere reformer and that Muhammad was the last profet.
There are other differences, which I think does make them Muslim.

You have a very good grasp of your history. Pleasure to read your posts.

The problems affecting ‘coolies’ brought by the British were very unique, esp the demographic differences between genders. Shortage of females was a consistent problem.

I can’t even imagine how people managed in those times. Salute to your ancestors for their patience and perseverance.

 

[undercover JIX]

how many toilets and housing societies could be built for poor with the same money.....

 

[pothead]

how many toilets and housing societies could be built for poor with the same money.....

You mean both can't be done?

Do you see any single nation, including yours following what you are saying?

As example, Pakistanis run to India to get medical help. Why don't you advise your govt to stop spending another rupee on military until hospitals are built to look after your people?

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Why don't you advise your govt to stop spending another rupee on military until hospitals are built to look after your people?

Because without a military, we'd get conquered by barbarians to the West and East of us.

 

[pothead]

Because without a military, we'd get conquered by barbarians to the West and East of us.

So, you have an EXCUSE to justify why your are building bombs instead of building hospitals?

Duplicity much?

If not, take your own advise and STOP building bombs and start building hospitals.

Once you can treat every single Pakistani, then, you can again start at looking at bombs - your logic

 

[undercover JIX]

You mean both can't be done?

Do you see any single nation, including yours following what you are saying?

As example, Pakistanis run to India to get medical help. Why don't you advise your govt to stop spending another rupee on military until hospitals are built to look after your people?

super power 2012......while both are being done.....look for a dog...
How restarted you can be to compare a super power with bank corrupt poor country....

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Because without a military, we'd get conquered by barbarians to the West and East of us.

It would be very convenient for India if Pakistan didn’t have a military, let alone the Muslim world’s strongest and its only nuclear power.

Time for them to accept reality. Pakistan is here to stay.

 

[HariPrasad]

want to see more statues, more mosques demolished and turned into temples and more Muslims and Christians prosecuted or massacred.
This is the logical conclusion to a reactive fascism and hyper pseudo religious nationalism.

We have not demolished any mosque but In Kashmir, 17000 temples are demolished as per Kashmir government report. I am sure you don't have to say anything on it or either on the same in your own country. On the name of secularism, bad people has done a lot bad things in this nation and we are going to correct it. More and more statues shall be built. Whosoever have to live in India will have to respect Indian ethoes.

 

[Ultima Thule]

We have not demolished any mosque but In Kashmir, 17000 temples are demolished as per Kashmir government report. I am sure you don't have to say anything on it or either on the same in your own country. On the name of secularism, bad people has done a lot bad things in this nation and we are going to correct more and more statues shall be built. Whosoever have to live in India will have to respect Indian ethoes.

Its indian puppet govt in Kashmir false report nothing else @HariPrasad

 

[HariPrasad]

Its indian puppet govt in Kashmir false report nothing else @HariPrasad

I know you have lies and denial in your gene so I am not surprised.