After Modi's Big Win: Can India and Pakistan Enhance Relations?

[third eye]

Pretty much. It's a common understanding, and everyone is quite content with it.

Seems unreal, why would the army give up its position of supreme strength .

It can manipulate the Politicians and political parties as it has done in the past.

It would be good for the nation if the ' regular ' rule of the law & Govt control were to happen though.

 

[Bang Galore]

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Siachen has been called "Hell on Earth" by a Pakistani general..

Siachen is pretty peaceful actually. Pakistani Army have no presence there whatsoever. The area of conflict is due west of Siachen on the Saltoro ridge. For Pakistanis, it is pretty much hell because they have vastly inferior situations across the whole frontline. Indian troops pretty much occupy all the heights with Pakistanis sometimes directly below them (Pakistani troops cannot even see Siachen from their positions). I can understand why the PA want to withdraw from those positions but why do you think the IA would be willing to? In any case, what is the bargain you are offering for an Indian withdrawal?

 

[Hiptullha]

Siachen is pretty peaceful actually. Pakistani Army have no presence there whatsoever. The area of conflict is due west of Siachen on the Saltoro ridge. For Pakistanis, it is pretty much hell because they have vastly inferior situations across the whole frontline. Indian troops pretty much occupy all the heights with Pakistanis sometimes directly below them (Pakistani troops cannot even see Siachen from their positions). I can understand why the PA want to withdraw from those positions but why do you think the IA would be willing to? In any case, what is the bargain you are offering for an Indian withdrawal?

Hell on Earth because of the environment. Both sides have suffered casualties from the extreme conditions there.

 

[Bang Galore]

Hell on Earth because of the environment. Both sides have suffered casualties from the extreme conditions there.

True though not as much as is usually made out. However, post Kargil, all posts in the Kargil-Dras sector are manned throughout the year & they are just as bad in terms of the weather. Saltoro/Siachen is not unique.

As I said, why would India agree to withdraw when it is holding all the cards?

 

[he-man]

Ye. PA is the only hurdle in our relationship. That chap who became the chief-of-whatever in the Indian army who issued a warning against Pakistan on his 1st day was a symbol of how eager India is to establish good relations with Pakistan.

This is off-topic, but looking at that picture, that soldier on the top-left looks like he's about to faint.

Of course,,he is an indian and as we all know we are very weak

 

[Hiptullha]

True though not as much as is usually made out. However, post Kargil, all posts in the Kargil-Dras sector are manned throughout the year & they are just as bad in terms of the weather. Saltoro/Siachen is not unique.

As I said, why would India agree to withdraw when it is holding all the cards?

I'm not saying India should withdraw. It would be good for them and their troops though. Pakistan should definitely withdraw.

Of course,,he is an indian and as we all know we are very weak

Serious, he looks like he's going to collapse. I've seen it happen to other people too.

 

[he-man]

Kashmir is a 1000 times more liability for pakistan than for us...........due to smaller economy of pakistan
So pakistan has to show some heart and accept loc as border,,,if not status co will be maintained

I'm not saying India should withdraw. It would be good for them and their troops though. Pakistan should definitely withdraw.



Serious, he looks like he's going to collapse. I've seen it happen to other people too.

Ya he seems to be tired or something.
Maybe having a hard on seeing a sexy woman,who knows??

People ought to wriggle the toes if they stand for long periods for maintaining the circulation,,,more correctly venous return to heart

 

[That Guy]

Seems unreal, why would the army give up its position of supreme strength .

It can manipulate the Politicians and political parties as it has done in the past.

It would be good for the nation if the ' regular ' rule of the law & Govt control were to happen though.

It's no longer for the army to give up. Musharraf's rule made damn well sure that the military will no longer interfere as much as it used to, especially when it comes to India.

The army no longer enjoys wide spread support from the people, and it has had to swallow that bitter pill. The military and the civil institutions are better for it.

 

[third eye]

It's no longer for the army to give up. Musharraf's rule made damn well sure that the military will no longer interfere as much as it used to, especially when it comes to India.

The army no longer enjoys wide spread support from the people, and it has had to swallow that bitter pill. The military and the civil institutions are better for it.

Thank you for your inputs.

The part in bold above is not understood.

 

[paranoiarocks]

If this were 3 years ago, I may have agreed with you, but times have changed. PA may still hold power, but there is little they can do to stop NS from reaching out to India, and that fact has already been made clear to India itself. Outside a coupe, which the public will no longer tolerate, the PA cannot stop this from happening.

Right now, it is up to India if it wants to grab NS' hand.

You are wrong ,PA is making MNS lame duck because of his talks with india(and many other reasons)

This is to say that the dogs of war will be called off from besieging Islamabad after Sharif concedes the demand to investigate the elections of 2013 via the Supreme Court, reconstitutes the Election Commission with the approval of the chief protagonists immediately, lets Musharraf off the hook, backtracks on his regional foreign policy initiatives and commits to dissolving parliament and holding fresh elections if the SC so directs on the basis of its findings.

Miltablishment’s End Game ‹ The Friday Times

 

[nair]

You cannot do much about the leader in the other part of the boarder..... It is the prerogative of the people of that nation.... We did have a decent interaction with a leader who back stabbed us in kargil.... Yes we there was opposition, but the govt moved ahead and the next govt also followed up the actions and decision of previous govt.... I guess if peace is the priority then this is right opportunity....The party which opposed or tried veto the dialogue is in power, and they want a peaceful relationship, and The opposition of India is not going to veto it, neither they have the power to do so..... When it comes to NS, he also has the mandate to move ahead on dialogue.... But the big question is, will he survive the recent turmoil

 

[ito]

for modi, peace with pak is not a priority. peaceful relation with pak are welcome, but not something a necessity for india. economic growth has taken a front seat in india's policy making. this can be seen in modi's speech on aug 15

I dont think so. Our priorities are changed and we are more interested in building our relations with Regional countries and india is not part of our priority para-dime atleast not anymore after Modi type person is leading them. And our bad experience of dealing with them even in congress gov where we had gone overboard to accommodate them and their claims.

We are interested in our western frontiers and global relations as of now. And india is not part of bigger picture.

So no i dont think nothing is surely going to happen.

it is same across this side of the border too. pak is looking at arab nations for securing its future, while india is looking at east especially china and japan, and india's neighbors sans pak.

 

[livingdead]

Are these tit-for-tat firings part of the Indian diplomatic process?

responsibility is delegated to the level of local commander to handle such situation.. I doubt even army top brass is required to clear the course of action.
how will you respond to local issues if you wait for greenlight from highest level all the time.

 

[INDIC]

Status quo of enmity is here to stay, sad but true.

 

[That Guy]

You are wrong ,PA is making MNS lame duck because of his talks with india(and many other reasons)

Miltablishment’s End Game ‹ The Friday Times

Yeah, having just read this, what utter nonsense. The quote you gave me have no real merit, because it makes a claim that it cannot back with evidence.

The only thing that has some truth to it is that NS asked the SC to investigate the election rigging. There is no evidence to support the rest of these claims.

The entire article reads like a conspiracy rant.