After jailing Kashmiri lobbyist Fai, US is being fussy over its CIA agent?

[AbhimanyuShrivastav]

Kashmir issue and Bahrain's uprising are two soar issues where America has had to make political sacrifice
it has had to turn a blind eye although whatever is happening there is against its own principles.

both India and Bahrain got the get out of jail card because of its Naval fleet parked in one country and to prime the other to do its bidding in South Asia specially against China

Thats life in international diplomacy sir... And Pakistan is no stranger to this.. The only reason America cant think of doing an Iraq on Pakistan is its location and proximity to Afghanistan... Ideal world is a good place, but only exists in imagination

Kashmir issue and Bahrain's uprising are two soar issues where America has had to make political sacrifice
it has had to turn a blind eye although whatever is happening there is against its own principles.

both India and Bahrain got the get out of jail card because of its Naval fleet parked in one country and to prime the other to do its bidding in South Asia specially against China

Thats life in international diplomacy sir... And Pakistan is no stranger to this.. The only reason America cant think of doing an Iraq on Pakistan is its location and proximity to Afghanistan... Ideal world is a good place, but only exists in imagination

 

[indushek]

Kashmir issue and Bahrain's uprising are two soar issues where America has had to make political sacrifice
it has had to turn a blind eye although whatever is happening there is against its own principles.

both India and Bahrain got the get out of jail card because of its Naval fleet parked in one country and to prime the other to do its bidding in South Asia specially against China

This propping up against China started very recently till the end of 1990's Pakistan was supported actively by the USA and especially the Bill Clinton Govt. Please don't give offhand remarks as if India had it all nice and easy regarding kashmir from the US Govt

Initial stand of USA in 1948:

Warren Austin, the United States Representative to the United Nation asserted in the United Nations on February 4, 1948: "The external sovereignty of Kashmir is no longer under the control of the Maharaja.... With the accession of Jammu and Kashmir to India, this foreign sovereignty went over to India and is exercised by India.....".

Wonderful for us to hear sure but later on it changes drastically and the supporting factors are

United States State Department policies towards the Indian Sub-continent becoming overly dependent on the guidance of Sir Olaf Caroe, the British expert and friend of Pakistan.

The Cold War enlistment of Pakistan as a strategic ally for containment of the former Soviet Union.

India’s policy of non-alignment which became an anathema for the United States and the West.

Subsequently the position of USA was

The 1950s witnessed active involvement; The 1960s and 1970s was an era of detached involvement; The 1980s marked US promotion of dialogue.

The real part comes in 1990's

Asstt Secretary of State, Robin Raphael on October 23, 1993 declared that: "We (USA) do not recognise the legal validity of Kashmir’s accession as meaning that Kashmir is for ever an integral part of India... The people of Kashmir have got to be consulted in any kind of final settlement of the Kashmir dispute."

This proves that India had never had it easy, the current set of relations between USA and India started very recently.

 

[Secur]

I just read somewhere that the Doctor wasn't even allowed a lawyer in the tribal court. Is that true?

Actually , he wasn't even allowed a trial , sent directly to jail for 33 years

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Actually , he wasn't even allowed a trial , sent directly to jail for 33 years :cheez:

WoW, then you deserve not only contratulations but sweets as well.

 

[Secur]

WoW, then you deserve not only contratulations but sweets as well.

Whatever helps you feel more sympathy for him ... You can crop another story too ! No end to Indian fantasies ...

 

[Big Boss]

US jailed Fai on the simple charge of only lobbying for legislation in support of Kashimr's freedom, an old man now, who has been doing this for many decades suddenly US prosecutors found it illegal and nabbed him a person doing something good, and in front of everybody.

Dr. Afridi on the other hand collaborated on a CIA mission, that has been termed unlawful even by Amnesty International since it violated Pakistani airspace and despite having the chance to capture OBL alive they shot him. Causing actual violence, several deaths, explosions, mobilization of SSG, Pak Air force, and US Navy seals lied to Pakistan ATCs and Dr. Afridi also lied to various residents of Abottabad that he is giving them vaccines on behalf of the government whereas he was giving them god knows what and to top it all off when he knew where OBL was, he didn't tell Pak authorities he told CIA.

All in all, the hypocrisy is amazing from the US side. It jailed an old man with such venom for being a foreign lobbyist who was not registered, we however are jailing someone for the high crime of Treason, treason of collaborating with a foreign intelligence agency.

Asim:

1. Kashmir threads are for the Kashmir section only and you always deletes if someone posted it outside so why 2 standards??????

2. Its ironic that regular drone strikes in pakistan are not taken as act of violation of local law as the mission to target world's biggest terrorist??????????????????

 

[RayKalm]

This is America you're talking about, Asim. They're known for their dumbness.

 

[RazPaK]

The US caught him on a technicality.

I mean if this was enforced on other lobbyists we'd see a lot more Bhartis and Israelis going to jail.


Daal main kuch kaala hain.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

What I can't fathom is that of all the charges the Pakistanis could have labelled against him, how could they label him a traitor?

Wasn't finding Osama the primary purpose of this entire war?

Wasn't findign Osama the reason the Americans are inside Pakistan and Afghanistan?

Wasn't finding Osama a cause that pakistan had committed itself to?

Wasn't trying to find Osama something that the Pakistani agencies had been assisting the Americans in?

Hasn't Pakistan, in its own words, lost 40000 civilians and soldiers for the very stated puurpose of finding Osama?

wasn't it the national objective of Pakistan to find Osama as long as it was engaged in the WoT?

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How on Earth could then Pakistan accuse a citizen of being a traitor for helping that this very be-all-end-all goal was achieved?

He only did what was his stated national objective.

You can prosecute him for misusing his medical practice, may be even cancel his license to practice. But how the hell can you call him a traitor when you have yourselves plunged your entire country into a war for achieving that very objective?

HOW?

 

[Awesome]

Asim:

1. Kashmir threads are for the Kashmir section only and you always deletes if someone posted it outside so why 2 standards??????

You need to improve your reading and this is not the topic, I've already had to give infractions to people trying to derail the topic.

2. Its ironic that regular drone strikes in pakistan are not taken as act of violation of local law as the mission to target world's biggest terrorist??????????????????

Surrender Obama and Leon Panetta to the Pakistan courts and they won't escape severe sentencing either.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Surrender Obama and Leon Panetta to the Pakistan courts and they won't escape severe sentencing either.

How can you be so sure?

How many have you punished for war crimes in 1971?

How many have you punished for causing unnecessary deaths hundreds of soldiers by provoking a totally uncalled for war in Kargil?

How many have you punished for hanging a Prime Minister?

How many?

Besides, your law anyways has the provison of blood money. Who's to say that anyone you fantacise to imprison will not buy his freedom back?

Anyways, I'd very much like the answer to my previous post.

 

[Awesome]

What I can't fathom is that of all the charges the Pakistanis could have labelled against him, how could they label him a traitor?

This seems to be your lack of understanding of the word traitor then.

Wasn't finding Osama the primary purpose of this entire war?

No. Finding Osama in Pakistan was the job of Pakistan authorities.

Wasn't findign Osama the reason the Americans are inside Pakistan and Afghanistan?

Americans are not supposed to be inside Pakistan.

Wasn't finding Osama a cause that pakistan had committed itself to?

A very minor part of our role. Note OUR role within the premises of Pakistan.

Wasn't trying to find Osama something that the Pakistani agencies had been assisting the Americans in?

No we were finding him on our side. If any assistance was, it was from Americans to us. Role was ours and from competent authorities within Pakistan.

Hasn't Pakistan, in its own words, lost 40000 civilians and soldiers for the very stated puurpose of finding Osama?

No, we lost them giving support to the American operation in Afghanistan.

wasn't it the national objective of Pakistan to find Osama as long as it was engaged in the WoT?

No, there is not a single resolution out there whereby we declared finding Osama a part of Pakistani national doctrine.

How on Earth could then Pakistan accuse a citizen of being a traitor for helping that this very be-all-end-all goal was achieved?

He helped CIA. CIA has killed many in Pakistan, one famous case of Raymond Davis. CIA has an illegal presence within Pakistan.

He only did what was his stated national objective.

No he didn't.

You misrepresented the facts or severely lack the education needed to be commenting on these matters. You choose.

 

[AbhimanyuShrivastav]

The US caught him on a technicality.

I mean if this was enforced on other lobbyists we'd see a lot more Bhartis and Israelis going to jail.


Daal main kuch kaala hain.

Kuch kala nahin hai.. ISI got caught out in its slimy tactic of projecting Pakistani agenda as a Kashmir one.. And poor Dr Fai paid the price..

 

[Pakistanisage]

The US is the master of the art of Hypocrisy. Look at the Double Standards it employs in the Middle East with Isaraelis viz a viz Arabs.

 

[Awesome]

How can you be so sure?

How many have you punished for war crimes in 1971?

Totally unrelated, decades ago and moreover if you're so sure surrender Obama and find out.

How many have you punished for causing unnecessary deaths hundreds of soldiers by provoking a totally uncalled for war in Kargil?

Again unrelated. Various factors prevent litigation, you are again another India attempting to derail.

How many have you punished for hanging a Prime Minister?

Again you're derailing since you have no better commentary on the subject and of course the judgement to hang was given by a court of the law.

Besides, your law anyways has the provison of blood money. Who's to say that anyone you fantacise to imprison will not buy his freedom back?

Blood money entails that the victims forgive the culprit. The entire nation is a victim, you will be hard pressed to get the entire nation to forgive Obama.

Anyways, I'd very much like the answer to my previous post.

Your posts are nothing but derailment and a cop out, typical of a person fearing talking on topic.