Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Kashmir: A Grand Bargain?

[Jade]

Firstly it's not the quantity that matters it's quality.

Secondly, Pakistan will not be alone. Pakistan if it goes to war with India will have the support of Afghanistan and China, maybe even Iran. It won't be just Kashmir that is liberated, that's some food for thought for you

Could you be clear what will be liberated? Why would Afghanistan, China or Iran fight Pakistan's war? or is it one of those Zaid Hamid prophesies?

 

[Ahmad]

Firstly it's not the quantity that matters it's quality.

Secondly, Pakistan will not be alone. Pakistan if it goes to war with India will have the support of Afghanistan and China, maybe even Iran. It won't be just Kashmir that is liberated, that's some food for thought for you

I dont know about Iran and China, but in case of Afghanistan, trust me you wont count on us.

 

[Rafi]

If Pakistan and Iran and all other countries that have a rightful interest in what happens in Afghanistan, are reassured about our concerns, then peace is possible. Regarding J&K the people count there, as long as they are not happy - we will never abandon them.

 

[Ahmad]

No body can train the people of Afghanistan, these people are natural fighters and can never be defeated. The moguls tried, the soviets tried and now NATO is trying, none have succeeded. You think India will succeed ??

Here you go, what is your perception and definition of nationhood and country? is fight fight fight, destroy destroy destroy destroy? to have a country, a nation you need to have establishments, services, right people in the job, trained people etc. And by the way, the soviet war was the biggest mistake we committed.

 

[precious_maj]

Kid, first wake up from your dream. In the world of today each country fights for its interests. You will be standing alone in a war with India.

We will see what the future holds. I wouldn't be so smug if I was you, India will have so many internal problems that it will go into civil war. Pakistan may not need to do anything. One's dream is anothers nightmare.

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I dont know about Iran and China, but in case of Afghanistan, trust me you wont count on us.

I know you won't be counted on as your sitting in Wales, I don't think you're qualified to speak on behalf of the people of Afghanistan. We call people like you traitors.

 

[Jade]

Of course India won't relent, but we have to start competing on this front sooner or later. It has been the real battlefield for some time; the Pakistani elite just hasn't realized it yet.

Whether Pakistan can match India even in this area is huge question. West uses Pakistan in its War on Terror, while West needs India for its markets, as counter wait to China and for its money. Simple propaganda won't do. Propaganda has to meet the ground realities.

Anyway, in my personal opinion, better future for Pakistan lies with India and not against India. Simply put: Pakistan cannot fight India.

 

[Developereo]

You have no understanding of Indian interest. We are not in Afghanistan for denying Pakistan anything. We are in Afghanistan to make sure Afghanistan is not anti - India like it was under the Taliban. We have no other interest IMO.

You are selling your own government short. India is very much interested in encircling China in the CARs, as a response to their string of pearls. Afghanistan is crucial for India to get to the CARs.

 

[Ahmad]

I know you won't be counted on as your sitting in Wales, I don't think you're qualified to speak on behalf of the people of Afghanistan. We call people like you traitors.

Personal attacks ha? I am not talking on behalf of the country, but go and talk to the ordinary afghans and see what they say.

 

[precious_maj]

Here you go, what is your perception and definition of nationhood and country? is fight fight fight, destroy destroy destroy destroy? to have a country, a nation you need to have establishments, services, right people in the job, trained people etc. And by the way, the soviet war was the biggest mistake we committed.

I'm not giving my opinion, I am talking factual. When have the people of Afghanistan been defeated? If you're so worried about the state of your country, why don't you go back and fight the so-called fanatics and bring NATIONHOOD to your country? It's an impossible mission

 

[Developereo]

Anyway, in my personal opinion, better future for Pakistan lies with India and not against India. Simply put: Pakistan cannot fight India.

There is a lot of trust deficit on both sides and I am not sure the situation can be normalized unless we abandon the Kashmiri people. I feel Pakistan should not abandon their call for our help.

 

[ramu]

You are selling your own government short. India is very much interested in encircling China in the CARs, as a response to their string of pearls. Afghanistan is crucial for India to get to the CARs.

I dont see how on earth China will care about Indian presence in Afghanistan from the security and defence point of view. China will have a bit of competition in buying mines and other precious metals available in Afghan. But for that it makes no difference whatsoever.

India has a defensive posture against China and not a offensive posture. It does not intent to provoke China and I think same is the case with China. As two powers with maturity and a part of the BRIC block, defence against China is far fetched.

 

[precious_maj]

West uses Pakistan in its War on Terror, while West needs India for its markets, as counter wait to China and for its money. Simple propaganda won't do. Propaganda has to meet the ground realities.

Finally your talking some sense. India is being used by the west to counter both China and Pakistan but NO Pakistan is not fighting this so-called war on terror that's what it's portraying to do. Not only is India being used economically to counter China, it's being used militarily to counter the nuclear power of Pakistan.

 

[Ahmad]

I'm not giving my opinion, I am talking factual. When have the people of Afghanistan been defeated? If you're so worried about the state of your country, why don't you go back and fight the so-called fanatics and bring NATIONHOOD to your country? It's an impossible mission

Facts? When have we been defeated? Right now we are being defeated, we have been defeated for the last 40 years, what else do you want. And yet we have got another person from the neighbouring country praising us for our stupidity, that is whwat your enemy can do to you, to keep on persuading you for all the wrongs again and again.

 

[precious_maj]

Personal attacks ha? I am not talking on behalf of the country, but go and talk to the ordinary afghans and see what they say.

I think you ought to talk to the people of Afghanistan, I know a lot of them very well

 

[ramu]

We will see what the future holds. I wouldn't be so smug if I was you, India will have so many internal problems that it will go into civil war. Pakistan may not need to do anything. One's dream is anothers nightmare.

Yes, Pakistan is waiting for this civil war from ages. But the fact remains that it is Pakistan that is in a bad shape when compared to India atleast at this point of time.