Then stop trying to convince me that Pakistan had no role to play in Taliban's capture to Kabul
I'm not trying to convince you of diddly squat; i'm merely correcting misinformation peddled by you with facts.
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Unrelated. We were discussing the comments by Mullen and how you chose to take Armitage's word over your COAS's when it suits your argument and choose to ignore Mullen's when it does not..
since you do insist on talking about it, you claimed initially that Armitage and the retired COAS exchanged harsh words over a phone call. That is incorrect. Armitage had no direct meeting with General (retd.) Musharraf; it was a 1-on-1 with the DG-ISI. Either through translation there was an error, or maybe he really said it, or maybe it was just massive flatulence which the latter comprehended negatively. Who the fack knows and who the fack cares?
it's purely irrelevant anyways; years down the road they still need us which is why they are constantly approaching us for guidance on Afghanistan
"Resolution 1267 (1999) and subsequent resolutions have all been adopted under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter and require all UN Member States to, inter alia: "freeze the assets of, prevent the entry into or transit through their territories by, and prevent the direct or indirect supply, sale and transfer of arms and military equipment to any individual or entity associated with Al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden and/or the Taliban as designated by the Committee"."
i think you spent more time on italicizing and bold-facing this part that you neglected to look at the Amended resolution in which the Taleban's name was removed from what was once the "Al Qaeda AND Taleban Sanctions Committee"
as of 2011, only Al Qaeda is mentioned. Rightfully so too, since they are a common enemy of all of ours and we are working to eliminate them from the region.
Well, as per you are your people, anything that embarrasses Pakistan anyway is misinformation.. But then burying your head in the sand wont change the facts.. Would it ???
not at all....if you didn't have that brilliant mind of yours bogged down over semantics and emotionally-hashed drivel, perhaps you'd notice that I (like many others) are fully cognizant about the issues and challenges we face and in fact I don't hide them - i discuss and post about them quite openly.
it's actually your people who do the disguising, burying and hiding but we can leave that for another day
USA did that prior to their move out of the region when they used Pakistan and Mujahiddeens as pawns against USSR.
it was a common interest to eradicate the soviets (your allies) from our backyard and if given the decision again --- we would all support it 100 times.
not all the mujahideen were wild tribals; many were also bachelor students and graduate students who dropped everything to fight a noble cause......that while your degenerate communist friends were strafe-running entire villages using their gunships
the REAL issue vis-a-vis Afghanistan is POST-withdrawal when many of the factions splintered and fought eachother because of the power vacuum that was created. It was clear that the taleban (as an organization) were to be the victors and given their support during those years within Afghanistan it made sense for us to RECOGNIZE them.
what was india doing all this while? Maybe instead of obcessing day & night about Pakistan you should introspect and learn a thing or two about what your country was doing
One they left, your military leaders saw and opportunity to use religious extremism to get the elusive strategic depth in Afghanistan.. But as we know, they traded short term gain for long term pain...
they hedged their bets, based on what was REALISTIC and based on what was the GROUND REALITY
"strategic depth" has now become an over-used term by indians claiming to be analysts of Pakistan and Afghanistan all of a sudden.....in all honesty looking to today, as long as we contain new delhis at times nefarious designs in our western sector then we will have succeeded
based on how things are panning out today, i trust things will be in our favour soon
even American thinktanks are discussing not WHY the U.S. should recognize moderate elements of the taleban as "legitimate stake-holders" but rather WHEN.....(similar to discussions regarding the recognition of Hezbollah of Libnan)
Still their country, and Pakistan should have no say in what they do or dont do.. Something Pakistan is not able to come to terms with...
as long as they have millions of un-registered or falsely registered refugees or wanderers from Afghanistan on OUR soil; as long as they allow or are unable to contain anti-Pakistan proxies, as long as the country is unable to exercise any form of writ of state outside of NATO-administered Kabul and as long as there is a war-like situation in our backyard it is, has been and will continue to be our say. . . .
we share a long and porous border with Afghanistan....you don't. So therefore, you can keep whining about "coming to terms" of this or that, but there aint nothin you can do about it.
Incorrect.. USA never recognized the Talib govt in Afghanistan. This way Pakistan state has bent over backwards multiple times to negotiate with the likes of TTP for peace in KP. Does that mean Pak govt recongizes TTP as head of state for the region ??
Following military operations the INTERIOR MINISTRY suggested peacetalks with the TTP while the Khakis proposed a ceasefire. Following Maulana Fazlullah and Sufi Mohammad's violation (in Swat) we went after them and we mopped up the place. Therefore "bending over backwards" phrase used by you does not reflect reality at all.
as for Afghan taleban (which has little or nothing even to do with TTP) - you are right the USA has never had diplomatic relations with them --"them" being the exact same men that President Reagan hailed as freedom fighters.
I already mentioned to you that a taleban delegation was invited to Houston Texas to talk pipeline business...that was in 1997, well after the govt. in Kabul was established.
It was UNOCAL that invited them; perhaps when you have time you should learn about who all were serving on their BoD.
The conglomerate had full US-backing. So when a large energy giant (associated in one way or another with plenty of politicos in Houston Texas and DC) invites a fundamentalist serving government thousands of miles away, does that not constitute recognition of some sort? To me it certainly does. That doesn't exonerate them of their wrongs at all, that goes without saying.
I do not see the northern alliance being branded and clubbed with terrorists in any UNSC resolution.. Do I ??
well hmmmmm gee whiz let me think. Duhhhhh Karzai and much of his cabinet comprise NA and their affiliates, do ya really think NATO or the guys in DC would want to alienate them so soon by calling them terrorists?
Newsweek ran a frontpage report about the Northern Alliance (which i bet apart from the headlines you read, you know ZILCH about them and who they are). Their human rights record is atrocious, they've produced so many double agents that nobody can even trust them anymore, these mugs are knee-deep in the narcotics business (though who isnt these days) and they aren't even representative of Afghan people. In the Afghan context one should ask why the talebs are more influential than the NA. Are the NATOs talking about negotiations with NA or with the Afghan taleban (whose primary base is Kandahar)
(and again -- the talebs are not listed as a terrorist organization by UNSC -- so AGAIN - revisit your facts
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the problem with a lot of you indians is that you cling on to your dogmatically-held "beliefs" that you fail to notice the broader picture, which is ever-evolving
