Afghan refugees come up with eight demands

[maximuswarrior]

Enough talking. All Afghans out of Pakistan. Secure the border. Anyone siding with the Afghans can also leave.

 

[jupiter2007]

some of them should be allowed to live in Pakistan. We have Chinese, Nipalease, burmese, bangales, Iranies living in Pakistan, why not all allow some peacefull Aghanis to stay in Pakistan?
These should be given Pakistani immigration card, Nadra should have their complete record including finger prints, these should be relocated to small towns in interior Sindh and Southern Punjab and should have domicle from these areas so the can not move to urban areas.

 

[HttpError]

Why the hell is this government even extending time for these Leechers ? We want illegal Afghans out of Pakistan. There should a nation wide operation against them to locate them from Punjab,KPK,Kashmir,Sindh and G-B and then send them back. We need to build a fence on the border and the mine it.

 

[IceCold]

Why the hell is this government even extending time for these Leechers ? We want illegal Afghans out of Pakistan. There should a nation wide operation against them to locate them from Punjab,KPK,Kashmir,Sindh and G-B and then send them back. We need to build a fence on the border and the mine it.

for that to happen traitors like Achakzai, Asfand yar need to be taken care of.

 

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for that to happen traitors like Achakzai, Asfand yar need to be taken care of.

I seriously don't understand why the hell there has been no case registered against that Bald Achakzai, but the good thing is every Pakistani is now well aware of all this Afghan thingy. No one considers them brothers anymore and they have proven this by their actions. Now is the time for them to leave and if they want to come back to Pakistan they need to get a valid visa.

 

[IceCold]

I seriously don't understand why the hell there has been no case registered against that Bald Achakzai, but the good thing is every Pakistani is now well aware of all this Afghan thingy. No one considers them brothers anymore and they have proven this by their actions. Now is the time for them to leave and if they want to come back to Pakistan they need to get a valid visa.

Problem is that these A holes are partners of none other but PML N. So who is going to register a case against them? Nobody.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Quite a few demands these Afghans are putting forward.

1-Allow India the passage for trade and let their stuff pass through your country.And we will not allow you the passage to the central Asian states.
2-Do not build the gates and there is no need for the introduction of any particular border crossing mechanism.
3-Terrorist militant leader Mullah Fazlullah has nine lives.And relations with Pakistan are a bigger challenge than Al-Qaeda /Talibans.

Even their refugees are talking.If they are sincere about peace in Afghanistan.Then they should show their presence in the afghan society to bring in the actual change and implement/practice the lessons learnt by them during their stay in this "loving and caring" Pakistani society.They need to tell their countrymen that we are not the enemies of their state haunted by war.Pakistan allowed them to sell their stuff to her enemy state.The GoP has allowed them the passage.It's just that due to some established ground realities we find our hands tied while doing the vice versa.If the Indians can manage through another route ,it's up to them.Now, your country will not allow us the route just because we can't get a trade agreement with the Indians?

This is ridiculous.Where is your independent government to government ,state to state relations policy?
Is that only on show during some press conference?
Your actions show that the Afghan government is not independent in it's decision making.

People here are glad that the Afghan government has (though hesitantly or under international pressure) come to terms on some border crossing mechanism.

May be these million and a half well groomed and peace loving Afghan refugees can knock some sense into their local governing bodies and the officials who design their foreign policy.Make them understand & accept the ground realities.Otherwise, the change that they dream of will not be served to them on a platter.It requires some effort from their side.

 

[VCheng]

May be these million and a half well groomed and peace loving Afghan refugees can knock some sense into their local governing bodies and the officials who design their foreign policy.Make them understand & accept the ground realities.Otherwise, the change that they dream of will not be served to them on a platter.It requires some effort from their side.

Just what are the ground realities here, Sir? The fact is that for the first time in decades, Pakistan has been put in a position where its unchallenged supremacy in setting the agenda in Afghanistan is being challenged, primarily by India. What happens next is just as much a measure of Pakistani defense-and-foreign policy strategy as it is of Afghanistan and India. The outcome is not certain either way.

 

[Arsalan]

Just what are the ground realities here, Sir? The fact is that for the first time in decades, Pakistan has been put in a position where its unchallenged supremacy in setting the agenda in Afghanistan is being challenged, primarily by India. What happens next is just as much a measure of Pakistani defense-and-foreign policy strategy as it is of Afghanistan and India. The outcome is not certain either way.

It is not the first time sir. Also our Indian friends may not agree with you that India is setting agenda in Afghanistan.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Just what are the ground realities here, Sir? The fact is that for the first time in decades, Pakistan has been put in a position where its unchallenged supremacy in setting the agenda in Afghanistan is being challenged, primarily by India. What happens next is just as much a measure of Pakistani defense-and-foreign policy strategy as it is of Afghanistan and India. The outcome is not certain either way.

The ground realities are that we have fought a handsome number of wars with our eastern neighbor.We have land disputes with them.The relationship with India has never been cosy. Even during our operations against the terrorists we were not comfortable with leaving those eastern posts empty.It's a whole list from an actual war to proxy wars.
That is what i was trying to indicate there.
The afghan refugees living and breathing here in our society for some 30 plus years, have witnessed most of it.And one can say that they would understand it better than their countrymen back there in Afghanistan.

 

[VCheng]

The ground realities are that we have fought a handsome number of wars with our eastern neighbor.We have land disputes with them.The relationship with India has never been cosy. Even during our operations against the terrorists we were not comfortable with leaving those eastern posts empty.It's a whole list from an actual war to proxy wars.
That is what i was trying to indicate there.
The afghan refugees living and breathing here in our society for some 30 plus years, have seen it all.And one can say that they would understand it better than their countrymen back there in Afghanistan.

Yes, all of that may be true, but the issue on the western side is a new development for Pakistan given its unquestioned hold on the reins for decades now. It was used being secure from that side, but it cannot make that assumption any more, can it? That is the crux of the matter: a grave threat perceived by Pakistan, and a great opportunity perceived by India. What happens next is anybody's guess.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Yes, all of that may be true, but the issue on the western side is a new development for Pakistan given its unquestioned hold on the reins for decades now. It was used being secure from that side, but it cannot make that assumption any more, can it? That is the crux of the matter: a grave threat perceived by Pakistan, and a great opportunity perceived by India. What happens next is anybody's guess.

In the beginning afghans did not accept Pakistan as an independent state.So,it was never secure from that side.But the geography, the tribal culture,our inherited disputes , wars on the eastern front and the expenditures prohibited us from guarding it with full strength.Except during the Taliban era (thanks to the United states) in their effort opposing the Soviets , the Talibans found their fuel in Pakistan and we received some million refugees .With that,obviously the border security mechanisms did not matter much.

 

[VCheng]

In the beginning afghans did not accept Pakistan as an independent state.So,it was never secure from that side.But the geography, our inherited disputes , wars on the eastern front and the expenditures prohibited us from guarding it with full strength.Except during the Taliban era (thanks to the United states) in their effort opposing the Soviets .The Talibans found their fuel in Pakistan and we received some million refugees .With that,obviously the border security mechanisms did not matter much.

Whatever the history, Pakistan must now plan two-front strategies if it is to remain secure, that much is clear. Its period of controlling its western flank had a good run since 1980, but no more.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Whatever the history, Pakistan must now plan two-front strategies if it is to remain secure, that much is clear. Its period of controlling its western flank had a good run since 1980, but no more.

Yes, you are correct sir.With that they need to gradually send the refugees back to their actual land.And coordinate with the Afghan government in the process of their settlement.
Pakistan can (or should) continue to support afghan students and patients via suitable visa/ permits.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

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