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Question. What is the point of buying the Rafale and building the AMCA, they both fall into more or less the same category albit the Rafale is none stealth optimised. Why not scrap the Rafale buy and spend some of the funds to buy additional FGFA and develop the AMCA?
 
Question. What is the point of buying the Rafale and building the AMCA, they both fall into more or less the same category albit the Rafale is none stealth optimised. Why not scrap the Rafale buy and spend some of the funds to buy additional FGFA and develop the AMCA?

Because Rafale or EF are needed today to replace Mig 21 / 27, while AMCA (logically) is needed only around 2030 to replace MKIs.
 
Because Rafale or EF are needed today to replace Mig 21 / 27, while AMCA (logically) is needed only around 2030 to replace MKIs.

I thought the LCA are suppose to replace the mig 21/23/27, and the FGFA are to replace the MKI? The AMCA is a twin midium multirole stealth similar in size and role as the Rafale, not in the same category as the MKI.

The LCA should replace the mig 21/23
The AMCA or Rafale to replace the mig 27 and jaguar
FGFA should replace the MKI

There are role overlaps with the AMCA and Rafale, i think the AMCA dev may be accelerated as the Rafale buy looks tennous.
 
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Bengaluru, Feb 14: India's valiant attempt in developing a gen-next stealth fighter seems to be gathering some momentum with the scientists from the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) claiming that the Project Definition Phase (PDP) will be over within a year.

While some of the stealth features remain as a ‘beyond-visual-technology' for India, even as this report is being put together, the DRDO officials are convinced that embedding global players and increasing the private participation could well be the breakthrough in realizing their dreams. Super-cruise, stealth and thrust vectoring are critical features DRDO would need to thrash out in the process.

While Aero India is normally seen as a ‘carnival of claims,' the DRDO top brass have put up a confident argument that the lessons learnt from developing a four-and-a-half-generation fighter (Tejas) will act as a their guiding force while entering into the hitherto unknown 5th generation terrain.

AMCA Directorate takes confident shape

The AMCA Directorate at Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) is being headed by Dr A K Ghosh. As the Project Director, he has stayed away from the media glare all these years. Access to this Directorate is absolutely restricted and any information sought on AMCA travels many channels of approvals before flying out of the ADA HQ. Even not many details are officially known about the size of the AMCA team.

However, military sources confirm to OneIndia that a core team of 200 designers, with an additional outsourced manpower of 2000 more, is likely to work for the project during the Detailed Design Phase. Once the key players in the project get picked up, 500 more scientists will be added to the tally, working at various partner site(s).

Feasibility projects have been completed

The AMCA dream has crossed the first milestone with all feasibility projects getting completed. Confirmatory tests like Low Speed Wind Tunnel test, High Speed Wind Tunnel Test and RCS Test have been carried out. "The AMCA configuration has been frozen," says Dr K Tamilmani, Director General (Aero), DRDO.

Currently, systems and inboards finalization activities are being carried out towards system definition. Simultaneously, many advance technology projects -- mostly critical in nature -- are being pursued by the team.

Sources say that AMCA will have to cross five key phases before becoming a reality. They include: PDP, Detail Design Phase (DDP), Development Phase, Flight Test and Certification Test. "We are targeting the first flight towards the end of 2020," claims Dr Tamilmani.

The DRDO hopes to move the all-important ‘Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) Paper on AMCA' seeking more funds next year. Currently the programme is being initiated with the seed money of Rs 100 crore. In the PDP, 18 systems need to be identified. Metal cutting is expected to take place after DDP and Critical Design Review (CDR).

Nine prototypes planned

ADA Director P S Subramnaiam confirms to OneIndia that a total of nine prototypes would roll out of the AMCA hangar, starting 2020. "Extensive private participation is envisaged throughout the project, right from DDP to production," says Subramaniam. He says that a large number of DRDO and CSIR labs, IITs, IISc and private industries are already involved in the AMCA project.

Dr Ghosh refuses to divulge many details, but says that a static model to be displayed at Aero India 2015 would roughly give an idea of the possible AMCA look. "We also have a video showing the likely features and capabilities of AMCA," he adds.

Talks on the project during Aero India

With India riding on an absolute dismal record in developing power plants for planes, the DRDO is hoping to make some moves and find a solution during Aero India. "We are looking at both the US and Russia who have immense expertise in engine and stealth technology.

Considering the high-end, critical technologies involved in a stealth programme, a government-to-government project would be the best for the AMCA engine. Make in India is our flag-bearer theme for projects now and hence AMCA will strictly travel through the same philosophy," says Dr Tamilmani.

AMCA to be loaded with gen-next features

* Serpentine air intake
* Internal weapon release at high speed
* Integrated flight propulsion controls
* Shared apertures
* Gen-next display systems with touch panels
* Advanced sensors like AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar and IRST (Infra Red Search and Track)
* MAWS (Missile Approach Warning System)
* Stealth materials
* Advanced aluminum and titanium alloys
* Supercruise technology
* Advanced avionics based on IMA (Integrated Modular Architecture)
* Pilot associate to reduce pilot workload

Crucial capabilities

* SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defense)
* DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defense)
* Precision strike

OneIndia Exclusive: India’s stealth fighter dream moves towards reality
 
India need to get LCAMKI and LCA MKII ready first before worrying about AMCA. India is still trying to get RAFALE ! which is still long way from being finalize. India still font know how much tech it can get from T50, if I sufficient would force India to scrap the whole AMCA program. Maybe India should make AMCA a RAFALE class fighter instead of going for a 5th gen fighter as this is more realistic. India should be able to create its own RAFALE capable AMCA by 2030-2035 time frame. If it's trying for a 5th gen fighter without sufficient T-50 TOt, India will never build its own 5th gen fighter as this plane will exist only on paper.
 
India need to get LCAMKI and LCA MKII ready first before worrying about AMCA. India is still trying to get RAFALE ! which is still long way from being finalize. India still font know how much tech it can get from T50, if I sufficient would force India to scrap the whole AMCA program. Maybe India should make AMCA a RAFALE class fighter instead of going for a 5th gen fighter as this is more realistic. India should be able to create its own RAFALE capable AMCA by 2030-2035 time frame. If it's trying for a 5th gen fighter without sufficient T-50 TOt, India will never build its own 5th gen fighter as this plane will exist only on paper.

thnq for ur concern..now that u hav spewed ur daily quota of verbal diarrhea, i would request u to kindly GTFO this thread!
 
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Bengaluru, Feb 14: India's valiant attempt in developing a gen-next stealth fighter seems to be gathering some momentum with the scientists from the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) claiming that the Project Definition Phase (PDP) will be over within a year.

While some of the stealth features remain as a ‘beyond-visual-technology' for India, even as this report is being put together, the DRDO officials are convinced that embedding global players and increasing the private participation could well be the breakthrough in realizing their dreams. Super-cruise, stealth and thrust vectoring are critical features DRDO would need to thrash out in the process.

While Aero India is normally seen as a ‘carnival of claims,' the DRDO top brass have put up a confident argument that the lessons learnt from developing a four-and-a-half-generation fighter (Tejas) will act as a their guiding force while entering into the hitherto unknown 5th generation terrain.

AMCA Directorate takes confident shape

The AMCA Directorate at Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) is being headed by Dr A K Ghosh. As the Project Director, he has stayed away from the media glare all these years. Access to this Directorate is absolutely restricted and any information sought on AMCA travels many channels of approvals before flying out of the ADA HQ. Even not many details are officially known about the size of the AMCA team.

However, military sources confirm to OneIndia that a core team of 200 designers, with an additional outsourced manpower of 2000 more, is likely to work for the project during the Detailed Design Phase. Once the key players in the project get picked up, 500 more scientists will be added to the tally, working at various partner site(s).

Feasibility projects have been completed

The AMCA dream has crossed the first milestone with all feasibility projects getting completed. Confirmatory tests like Low Speed Wind Tunnel test, High Speed Wind Tunnel Test and RCS Test have been carried out. "The AMCA configuration has been frozen," says Dr K Tamilmani, Director General (Aero), DRDO.

Currently, systems and inboards finalization activities are being carried out towards system definition. Simultaneously, many advance technology projects -- mostly critical in nature -- are being pursued by the team.

Sources say that AMCA will have to cross five key phases before becoming a reality. They include: PDP, Detail Design Phase (DDP), Development Phase, Flight Test and Certification Test. "We are targeting the first flight towards the end of 2020," claims Dr Tamilmani.

Conflicting report:

"We are targeting the first flight towards the end of 2020," claims Dr Tamilmani.

and

ADA Director P S Subramnaiam confirms to OneIndia that a total of nine prototypes would roll out of the AMCA hangar, starting 2020.
 
Conflicting report:

"We are targeting the first flight towards the end of 2020," claims Dr Tamilmani.

and

ADA Director P S Subramnaiam confirms to OneIndia that a total of nine prototypes would roll out of the AMCA hangar, starting 2020.

I would guess 9 prototypes of radio control planes.LOL
 
Question. What is the point of buying the Rafale and building the AMCA, they both fall into more or less the same category albit the Rafale is none stealth optimised. Why not scrap the Rafale buy and spend some of the funds to buy additional FGFA and develop the AMCA?


Time line.. Rafele will be available now while AMCA will come in next 10 years...
 
Its interesting to note that Engine development is de-linked from the Program. I suspect it will fly with US engines.
 
India need to get LCAMKI and LCA MKII ready first before worrying about AMCA. India is still trying to get RAFALE ! which is still long way from being finalize. India still font know how much tech it can get from T50, if I sufficient would force India to scrap the whole AMCA program. Maybe India should make AMCA a RAFALE class fighter instead of going for a 5th gen fighter as this is more realistic. India should be able to create its own RAFALE capable AMCA by 2030-2035 time frame. If it's trying for a 5th gen fighter without sufficient T-50 TOt, India will never build its own 5th gen fighter as this plane will exist only on paper.

Looks like you have completed this weeks quota

Conflicting report:

"We are targeting the first flight towards the end of 2020," claims Dr Tamilmani.

and

ADA Director P S Subramnaiam confirms to OneIndia that a total of nine prototypes would roll out of the AMCA hangar, starting 2020.

I think he means the 1st flight of the prototype plane in 2020
 
I thought the LCA are suppose to replace the mig 21/23/27, and the FGFA are to replace the MKI?

Well then you seems to have missed the last 10 years of IAF modernisation plans. Mig 23 and 27 replacement started when the first Su 30s arrived in India and the 23s are gone already. Mig 21s will be replaced by LCA and MMRCA, FGFA replaces M2Ks and Mig 29s.

Conflicting report:

"We are targeting the first flight towards the end of 2020," claims Dr Tamilmani.

and

ADA Director P S Subramnaiam confirms to OneIndia that a total of nine prototypes would roll out of the AMCA hangar, starting 2020.

That's basically stating the same, since Subramnaiam says "starting" 2020 = first flight.

As former DRDO Chief Chander confirmed, operational fighters are only expected at the end of the next decade:

Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft [AMCA] Development | Updates & Discussions. | Page 13
 
Well then you seems to have missed the last 10 years of IAF modernisation plans. Mig 23 and 27 replacement started when the first Su 30s arrived in India and the 23s are gone already. Mig 21s will be replaced by LCA and MMRCA, FGFA replaces M2Ks and Mig 29s.



That's basically stating the same, since Subramnaiam says "starting" 2020 = first flight.

As former DRDO Chief Chander confirmed, operational fighters are only expected at the end of the next decade:

Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft [AMCA] Development | Updates & Discussions. | Page 13

If first flight takes place in 2020, then we should see a prototype in 2018/2019. right?
 
India need to get LCAMKI and LCA MKII ready first before worrying about AMCA. India is still trying to get RAFALE ! which is still long way from being finalize. India still font know how much tech it can get from T50, if I sufficient would force India to scrap the whole AMCA program. Maybe India should make AMCA a RAFALE class fighter instead of going for a 5th gen fighter as this is more realistic. India should be able to create its own RAFALE capable AMCA by 2030-2035 time frame. If it's trying for a 5th gen fighter without sufficient T-50 TOt, India will never build its own 5th gen fighter as this plane will exist only on paper.
Shooooo !

India this India that. .. Thanks. We know what we are doing . Non of ur business .
 

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