‘Admitting you are a secularist can get you killed in Pakistan’

[JonAsad]

Btw the title is extra ordinary stupid- tell that to the young burger bachi and bachias roaming freely on the streets of Pakistan-

 

[Patriots]

Also @Patriots who told you all those parties are secular. They will lose your votebank if they openly state they are secular.

1) Founder of PPP was Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto, he was a secular person. In election which had been held in 1970, he had put the slogan of socialism. Benazir Bhutto was secular till her death. It is center left party from day 1.
2) Founder of ANP Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan was called “Surkha” and that terminology was used for communist people. They used Red Flag. And till date they use same flag and declare themselves secular.
3) Founder of MQM Altaf Huassain is also secular and he declares to his party center left. Karachi is split 3 schools of thought among Muslims. Before founding of MQM Karachi was under influenced of 3 parties for 3 schools of thought. Shias were in PPP, Barelvis were in Jamiat Ulema e Pakistan & Deobandis were in Jamat e Islami. When APMSO were formed, students who belonged with these 3 schools of thought had joined APMSO and when they formed MQM, they adopted secular ideology. Therefore, this party is also center left from day 1.

 

[haviZsultan]

Btw the title is extra ordinary stupid- tell that to the young burger bachi and bachias roaming freely on the streets of Pakistan-

Perhaps I should have changed it before posting. Indeed it is not as bad as it is presented. But there is an issue. A certain looming threat that a person with my views may become a target... but it has not happened to me because my contact is with people of my own kind.

1) Founder of PPP was Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto was a secular person. In election which had been held in 1970, he had put the salogan of socialism. Benazir Bhutto was secular till her death. It is center left party from day 1.
2) Founder of ANP Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan was called “Surkha” and that terminology was used for communist people. They used Red Flag. And till date they use same flag and declare themselves secular.
3) Founder of MQM Altaf Huassain is also secular and he declares to his party center left. Karachi is split 3 schools of thought among Muslims. Before founding of MQM Karachi had been under influence of 3 parties for 3 schools of thought. Shias were in PPP, Barelvis were in Jamiat Ulema e Islam & Deobandis were in Jamat e Islami. When APMSO were formed, students who belonged with these 3 schools of thought had joined APMSO and when they formed MQM, they adopted secular ideology. Therefore, this party is also secular from day 1.

None of them dared to state secularism as a concept in their manifestos or they wouldn't have gained any support because we have too many fanatics like you.

 

[Patriots]

Perhaps I should have changed it before posting. Indeed it is not as bad as it is presented. But there is an issue. A certain looming threat that a person with my views may become a target... but it has not happened to me because my contact is with people of my own kind.



None of them dared to state secularism as a concept in their manifestos or they wouldn't have gained any support because we have too many fanatics like you.

People those love their Allah, Prophet (Sallallah O Alaihe Wa Alaihi Wa Sallam) & religion have been always victimized by your type so-called Muslims.

 

[JonAsad]

Perhaps I should have changed it before posting. Indeed it is not as bad as it is presented. But there is an issue. A certain looming threat that a person with my views may become a target... but it has not happened to me because my contact is with people of my own kind.

Going by the definition of secularism- you can find ordinary seculars in every gali kocha of Pakistan- there is no such threat of being killed because of that-


@Patriots i like to hv your opinion on this thread-
http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/233234-what-do-you-like-about-other-religions.html

 

[Patriots]

None of them dared to state secularism as a concept in their manifestos or they wouldn't have gained any support because we have too many fanatics like you.

MQM is always telling against TTP.

 

[Redbull]

Yes! They declared non-Muslim in Bhutto era because Jamati demand was increasing day by day. Anyhow, they had been declared with consensus with all schools of thought of Islam.

Don't care about the consensus of mullah's. The people matter more then these guys.

 

[Zarvan]

We should make an artifical Islam in a desolated place on earth and call it "Wahabistan".
All hard core talibani followers will get a free one way sea cruise to this island!



Yep, Islamic system will be implemented by 14 year old kids blowing themselves up in busy markets. Why dont you go to Wana or Waziristan and blow yourself? Rid the world of some *****!

Sir those who bark against Islam will always bark because they are paid by their master USA to bark **** and they can't do nothing else but Islam will come and rise and will be implemented in Pakistan and soon all over the world

 

[Sugarcane]

1) Founder of PPP was Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto, he was a secular person. In election which had been held in 1970, he had put the slogan of socialism. Benazir Bhutto was secular till her death. It is center left party from day 1.

Really??? Who gave 1973 constitution? do this constitution has anything to do with secularism?
I know Ahmadiya reject finality of Prophet (PBUH) and are considered non-Muslim but how you will call PPP secular when they made a constitution which decides the faith of people?.
Who called nuclear bomb Islam bomb?
Who worked very hard and collaborated for OIC. ?

 

[Zarvan]

Really??? Who gave 1973 constitution? do this constitution has anything to do with secularism?
I know Ahmadiya reject finality of Prophet (PBUH) and are considered non-Muslim but how you will call PPP secular when they made a constitution which decides the faith of people?.
Who called nuclear bomb Islam bomb?
Who worked very hard and collaborated for OIC. ?

Sir they themselves call themselves liberals and seculars sir and they did it on public pressure and pressure from religious parties other wise they were never interested in doing this but public power led them do this

 

[Patriots]

Really??? Who gave 1973 constitution? do this constitution has anything to do with secularism?
I know Ahmadiya reject finality of Prophet (PBUH) and are considered non-Muslim but how you will call PPP secular when they made a constitution which decides the faith of people?.
Who called nuclear bomb Islam bomb?
Who worked very hard and collaborated for OIC. ?

Constution of 1973 will be made of consensus with all political stake holders. And during Bhutto regime Islamic political parties were getting power day by day. So, in their pressure he declared to ahmadiyas as non-Muslim. Otherwise nothing would you find for Shahriah laws in constitution except Hudood laws which were provisioned by Zia ul Haq.
In the last period of his government religious powers had got very strong & they had run a movement of Nizam e Mustafa and he had very bad relations with USA as well. That’s why he was approached to OIC for collaboration.
And I think it would be a good thing and it could be help for Pakistan as well to get rid of influence of USA.
Anyhow, apart from different point of views he was a great leader and Pakistan suffered a lot after his death.

 

[Patriots]

@LoveIcon
Are we enemy..?????

 

[Sugarcane]

@LoveIcon
Are we enemy..?????

 

[Patriots]

 

[Sugarcane]

Bhai main nay tumhari kon si bhains chura le hai, jo enemy bana rahay ho?

If my opinion gives you this impression than be it, coz. i am always up against people who project my religion as extremist and will continue to do it.