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ADBI: Heavy reliance on overseas borrowing may hurt Bangladesh development

Loan is not bad thing ,but depending only on loan is not wise idea ( কিন্তু এই জিনিসটা আপনি বুঝতেই চান না), but we need to focus on industrialization at top priority.
Some of our compatriots claim that India force to buy their made in India junk to her peoples with high cost.
Now industrialization should be top priority . And you see Bangladesh is listed as the worst place ( even worse than Afghanistan) for business.
That's not good sign .

BD does not only rely on loans for infrastructure.
BD spends 8 billion US dollars A year on infrastructure currently - out of this many billions come out of BD government revenue sources.

I would not take that ease of business survey seriously. BD is the fastest industrialising large economy in the world currently and expected to stay this way for a long time.
 
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Dear Sir , if he is informed or not , he did it by purpose or not , what he said is lie and Pakistan bashing .. And you want him/her to counter lie with a lie ?????? As I said before BD is your country , BD's economy is you economy , but why bring Pakistan In ?? Why not Sirilanka ?? And even if he/she want to bring Pakistan then why not research before and have some knowledge ??? Why lie ?????
Are you sure I have stated lies? Now, tell us what is the amount of the dollar that Pakistan has to pay back right at this moment. Only the day before yesterday your PM went to SA to borrow another total of $6 billion and is now considering a loan arrangement also with the IMF.

Is it becomes Pakistan bashing when I speak the truth? But, Pakistan was not the subject. It was BD and I just wanted to say against BD borrowing by citing the case of Pakistan.
 
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Are you sure I have stated lies? Now, tell us what is the amount of the dollar that Pakistan has to pay back right at this moment. Only the day before yesterday your PM went to SA to borrow another total of $6 billion and is now considering a loan arrangement also with the IMF.

Is it becomes Pakistan bashing when I speak the truth? But, Pakistan was not the subject. It was BD and I just wanted to say against BD borrowing by citing the case of Pakistan.
Your statement ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, You prove ………………. And Mod will decide...…….. And again , BD your country and all good or bad there is for BD people ….. Thanks
 
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Your statement ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, You prove ………………. And Mod will decide...…….. And again , BD your country and all good or bad there is for BD people ….. Thanks
So, you have accepted my statement as true. Please read more about the current economic situation in your country. It has fallen into a debt trap and I do not personally want my country to fall into a similar trap in the near future which is very much possible if it keeps on borrowing more money instead of training and developing its own manpower to build its physical infrastructures.

I am not talking against the foreign involvement in very difficult projects like the Padma Bridge or Karnaphuli Tunnel projects. However, if a country like South Korea can do these engineering projects, BD should have been able to build up its capabilities during the last 71 years since 1947.

However, neither Pakistan nor Bangladesh has turned into such a capable country only because of the mismanagement of their respective countries by the illiterate political people at the top.
 
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The post was not intend to hate but a comparison.Pakistani members, I understand the tone.If they intend abuse then it would be something else.Pakistani and Bangladeshi posters are free to make comparisons and propose solutions to each other without any fear.
Continue discussion, please.
This is what I have been trying to convey to my fellow countrymen that building infrastructure with foreign money and foreign companies are not the correct recipe for development. Pakistan borrowed $50 billion of Chinese money that has become a $90 billion liability with interest. Now, Pakistan has to borrow more money only to pay back the arrear.

Bangladesh is also going straight to fall into the Chinese trap never to rise up again. Infrastructures should be built with local money and the works by the local engineers/technicians. BD has chosen a quick fix to solve its problems, but development is a long process. It is not possible to do thousands and thousands of development works without the local participation which also raise their expertise.

Same as Pakistan, the more BD goes for easy foreign money the more it will be swallowed by the quicksand. I ask for caution.
Pakistan has slightly different scenario and relationship with Chinese as compare to any other country but this will not disprove your kind intentions and analysis.Pakistan was very unlucky in case of political parties and corrupted regimes my friend, though gifted with so much natural resources that if we would have better governance then there wouldn't be any debt upon us.The PPP and PML-N government has done so much corruption and money laundering that is beyond my comprehension.Allah has blessed us by handing over keys of state to Imran Khan who is not just against corruption but also speaks for us and truly represent us.
So, This new and sincere government is facing many challenges and that too includes IMF's badmash terms.I cannot tell you how much narrow options we have and how on earth we are trying to deal with such leftover burden by former corrupted politicians.
One more point, Pakistan's relationship with China is inversely proportional to India.There are two players in this region, let us discuss about them, then there are two global players.
In Asian region, Pakistan is seeking peace and fighting with corruption at one point.On the other hand we have our nemesis India who seeks our instability and destruction.Now India want to take hold on other Asian countries.For such propose they tried to keep hold on other countries like Srilankans (cold war by Indian funded; thanks to Pak army for resolving their issue within 3 months), Afghanistan, Bangladesh and other neighboring countries.Not only that, Indian set ties with Israel and America, Russia etc.
So, India wants to become giant of this region and we understand it hence we find it better to let China become the regional player and giant to counter Indian influence.In addition to that, China and America are rivals so Americans are indirectly supporting India.If we support China then we will be able to reduce American influence along with that.Hence, for us it the need of an hour to have nemesis against India and we find China as a better candidate for this.Also, we will have more friends due to China's relationship with us and we have benefited a lot for that.
Most importantly, do not think that Pakistan does not seek friendly relationship with America and other powerful players but America's WOT has shown us mirror and corruption by these political masses such as PPP and PML-N has further aberrated the situation.Besides, if we really want to condense Americans on tables then we must have win-to-win situation. It is a very deep game of stabilizing relationship and a complex game my friend, it is not easy.The fact is that Pakistan want friendly relationship with all countries including India, China, United States of America, Middle East, Iran, Russia except Israel and for such purpose we need to respond in the similar fashion.
What do you suggest that Pakistan should do at this point? I would love to hear from you.

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BD has a very tight and conservative fiscal policy. BD is unlikely to fall into the debt trap. Most borrowing comes as build operate (take profit in liew of capital engaged) and in time transfer asset to BD. By the transfer stage debt has been paid off.
Still it is an advice worth listening. So far so good, our economic policy was more or less prudent, but there is no guarranty that it will remain the same in future. Borrowing is also a kind of addiction, I hope Bangladesh do not catch it. Not to be overly dependent on foreign loan but not shunning it entirely either. We have to be modest.
 
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Still it is an advice worth listening. So far so good, our economic policy was more or less prudent, but there is no guarranty that it will remain the same in future. Borrowing is also a kind of addiction, I hope Bangladesh do not catch it. Not to be overly dependent on foreign loan but not shunning it entirely either. We have to be modest.
Borrowing is not an addiction for any state.It is the least option that any sincere regime would like to adopt.Pray to Allah for good times ahead.Best of luck.

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To all the PDF members who are following this thread: I am posting the news that has said about many of the economic woos Pakistan is facing now. Everything seems sweat when a person, an institution or a country borrows money from other sources. The rate of interest is low, there is a five/ten years of sweat grace period, and the lenders are our friendly countries, etc. etc.

The complacent country does not build up its own potentiality by training its own people gradually and keeps on borrowing the easy money. It starts feeling the pain only when it has to borrow more money to finance the payment of the previous loans. This is called the debt trap and I would say it is also a death trap for the sovereignty of a country.

Pakistan has reached somewhere near that stage and I do not find any reason to say that Bangladesh will not face the same in the very near future. BD is asking foreign countries to pay and build all kinds of physical infrastructures (roads, highways, expressways, bridges) many of which can be built with its own money and trained manpower.

But, the political people do not want this because it is easy to get bribe money in dollars in a foreign bank if it is a foreign loan. Locally financed projects are not directly administered by them, but the projects with foreign financing are. This creates a vicious cycle when the local people are sidelined who remain untrained and unemployed for generations, and have to go to foreign countries to seek jobs.

This is what I believe has happened to Pakistan and will happen to Bangladesh as well. The mind of the political people in BD is not very different from that of Pakistan. No hard feeling, please!!
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https://bdnews24.com/economy/2018/10/18/imran-khan-not-sure-about-wisdom-of-accepting-imf-bailout

Imran Khan not sure about wisdom of accepting IMF bailout
PK Balachandran, bdnews24.com

Published: 2018-10-18 19:58:18.0 BdST Updated: 2018-10-18 20:04:31.0 BdST

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    IMF chief Christine Lagarde shakes hand with Pakistan Finance Minister Asad Umar during the Fund's annual meetings in Bali. Photo: IMFNews via Twitter
Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan, under pressure from various quarters to accept or reject the idea of going for an IMF bailout to save the country from a grave financial crisis, is yet to make up his mind on the matter.

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With discussions with the IMF due on Nov 7, Imran told heads of media organizations on Wednesday, that Pakistan may not go for an IMF bailout after all. It could choose to solve its financial problems through prudent management instead, he said.

On the one hand, the US-led IMF is set to impose its stringent traditional conditions with an additional clause that Islamabad should review, rework and reschedule its burgeoning debt to China.

On the other hand, China has said that, while it is not against a “professional assessment” of Pakistan’s finances by the IMF, it will certainly insist that the IMF’s recommendations do not adversely affect the on-going economic cooperation projects in Pakistan, principally the multi-billion dollar China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), which is allegedly the principal cause of Pakistan’s financial woes.

US PRESSURE ON PAKISTAN

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s has said that the IMF bailout package to Pakistan should not be used by the latter to pay off its debt to China. This was echoed by the State Department Spokesperson Heather Nauert.

And writing in the website of the Centre for Strategic and International Studies, Mark Sobel, a former representative of the US in the IMF said: “While the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) holds forth the prospect of boosting the Pakistani economy, especially if investments are sound, the terms and conditions of much of the lending are opaque, and interest rates on some loans may be higher than Pakistan can afford. The IMF must ensure that its resources are not used to bail out unsustainable Chinese lending for CPEC.”

“The Fund (IMF) needs to have at its fingertips comprehensive data on all CPEC lending - its terms, maturities and parties involved. Chinese lending should be on realistic terms and consistent with Pakistan’s sustainability. Otherwise, China should reschedule or write down its loans, sharply reducing the value of its claims,” Sobel wrote.

It remains to be seen how the Imran regime is going to manage to bring about an equilibrium between these two contesting claims at its meetings with the IMF on November 7 when it is expect to seek a bailout of $6.2 billion.

DOMESTIC CHALLENGE

In the domestic sphere too the regime is set to face a challenge. The IMF will, in all likelihood, insist that the government gets the support of the opposition parties to any package that may be agreed upon, as it had done earlier.

But given the sharply antagonistic relations between the ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party and the opposition Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) and the Pakistan Peoples’ Party (PPP), Imran Khan will have to marshal all his persuasive skills to sell a package ,which will necessarily be harsh.

The task has become tougher now, given the victories registered by the opposition in the just concluded by-elections to 35 National and Provincial assembly seats.

The PTI had a major upset, as voters in two constituencies, earlier won by Imran Khan, namely NA-131 Lahore and NA-35 Bannu, changed their mind and elected members of the opposition parties.

EXTENT OF EXTERNAL DEBT

The IMF has said that Pakistan’s external debt and liabilities now stand at $93 billion. And if the present trend continues, it could mount to $144 billion in the next five years.

The IMF has also estimated that the country’s foreign currency reserves would continue to decline to $7.075 billion by 2023 from $12.09 billion held by the State Bank of Pakistan now.

More alarmingly, the total external debt servicing would reach $19.7 billion by 2023 against $7.739 billion in the financial year 2018.

DEBT TO CHINA

Writing in Express Tribune, Salman Siddiqui has quoted Topline Securities to say that Pakistan will end up paying $90 billion to China over a span of 30 years against the loan and investment portfolio worth $50 billion under CPEC.

“The estimated return on Chinese investments (which is the sum of principal and interest on foreign currency debt and repayment of profits/dividend on equity investment) shows 40% return on investment,” the Topline Securities’ report on CPEC says.

“The amount increased to $54 billion after the inclusion of more projects in CPEC such as investments in Pakistan Railways and financing of the Karachi Circular Railways project. The volume of return would increase accordingly.”

“Infrastructure and power projects – part of the CPEC portfolio and divided across time in terms of priority – are expected to be completed by fiscal year 2030.”

Leading economists have estimated an annual average repayment of $3 to 4 billion per year to China post fiscal year 2020.

Also most CPEC-related projects are being funded abroad and Pakistan is not seeing any significant inflow of foreign exchange.

“It should be noted that project financing for CPEC is being done between Chinese companies and banks and around 25% of CPEC investment is expected to come in Pakistan,” the Topline Securities report said.

However, the report argued that repayment would be manageable given the projected surge in exports and drop in imports. CPEC has also put money in peoples’ pockets by generating 70,000 jobs so far.

CHINA MIGHT HELP OUT PAKISTAN

Pakistan’s heavy reliance on China to meet its developmental and strategic needs makes it hard for it to ask Beijing to reschedule or rework its debt repayments.

But eventually, as an “all weather friend”, China might oblige, though only if CPEC is not badly dented. Just as Pakistan cannot do without China, China cannot do without Pakistan. China has a huge financial commitment in CPEC and has a very significant strategic interest in it.

DIFFERENCES IN PERCEPTION

The first hurdle to be overcome in the Pakistan-IMF talks is the difference in perception about the nature of Chinese loans.

Pakistan’s Finance Minister Asad Umar told the media after his talks with IMF’s Christine Lagarde in Indonesia, that the State Department’ contentions about Chinese loans are “100% wrong.”

“Pakistan’s financing gap for the current year is about $12 billion and total repayments to China averages $300 million over the next three years,” Umar said.

“The terms of Chinese loans would be placed before parliament and shared with the IMF. We should show how China, a real friend, extended attractive financing to Pakistan for the long term. The Chinese embassy has endorsed this position in a recent tweet,” Umar added.

Former Finance Minister Miftah Ismail told Reuters that the “weighted average interest rate” of Chinese loans is only 2%. “These are not loans that will break our back,” he said.

As per Finance Ministry calculations for the next five years, Pakistan’s total annual debt repayments and profit expatriation by Chinese companies would be below $1 billion, Ismail added.

But in this context, Dawn writer Kurram Hussain asked: “How come the Planning Commission put out a figure closer to $3 billion year or so ago?

Finance Minister Umar denied a statement by his Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry that unacceptable conditions from friends, Saudi Arabia, China and the UAE, had compelled Pakistan to go for the IMF bailout.

“The IMF bailout program was taken with their consultation and there was no condition demanded either by Saudi Arabia, the UAE or China at all,” Umar said.

Pakistan has to go for an IMF bailout because of certain domestic and external factors, the minister explained.

Foreign exchange reserves dwindled because of the yawning gap between imports ($60 billion) and exports ($25 billion). And the debilitating external factors were the US sanctions on Iran and the trade war with China. This led to an oil price increase and economic uncertainty in the international market. An increase in US interest rates also created unfavourable conditions in the external sector.

WAY OUT

However, according to Prof. Rashid Amjad of the Lahore School of Economics, a question that should be asked is why 18 IMF programs in the last 30 years, have ended up with an unsustainable fiscal and current account deficit and a run on the country’s foreign exchange reserves.

The blame can be put at the door of the IMF as well as successive Pakistani governments. The IMF’s policies have been politically inconvenient. And there has been continuous economic mismanagement also.

Writing in Dawn, Prof Amjad suggested that the government draw up a “credible and consistent homegrown economic roadmap, a strategic three-year plan covering the coming years from 2018 to 2021.”

“On the stabilization front, this plan should target a staggered decline in the fiscal deficit from the current expected 7.2 % in 2018-19 (excluding measures in the revised budget) to near 5% over the next three years, supported by steps to gradually reduce subsidies and the adoption of new initiatives to increase tax revenues.”

“But we must never forget the terrible impact of a sudden steep decline in the fiscal deficit agreed on with the IMF in the 2008 program, which led to a collapse in the growth rate from 5.5% to around 0.7%. A cut in subsidies resulted in food inflation of over 25%. The economy never quite recovered from this,” Prof Amjad pointed out.

“Most importantly, the strategic plan should be supplemented with the outline of a medium-term development plan that serves as a framework for cuts in development expenditure, shelving or reduction of projects and reallocation of funds for projects including those under CPEC.”

Other countries like Malaysia have cut expensive and non-priority Chinese- funded projects drastically.

“In the negotiations with the IMF, it would be sensible to agree to a 24-36 months, $8-9 billion fund program, frontloaded with the release of a sufficiently large initial tranche to calm the markets and restore business confidence,” Amjad said.

Finance Minister Umar has said that government will see that the IMF’s conditions do not impact on the poor harshly. He pointed out that fuel prices have been differentiated so as not to hit the poor hard. Electricity prices would also be similarly differentiated.

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@Mage, you are partly correct. Yes lots of local contractors use bamboo instead of rods, but not all of them.
Besides, if you look at any project that is done by Bangladesh Army, all projects are extremely good.
So surely we need to give such works to them ( army) imo . Yes you can say that when the other companies will do? I would say that they have to be more honest and skilled to survive.
If they ( local contractors) can compete , they will survive otherwise not.
In this process, our contractors will do much better and only skilled, and honest will survive , and political sycophants and corrupted will have less benefits/less chance of survive.
 
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So, this culture of putting bamboo sticks instead of steel rods must be abolished with strict adherence to a policy of discipline. Once this is done the country starts developing. Stealing is done with the connivance of the bribe-taking govt people. Unless the GoB gets rid of this bribe culture there is no way the country will develop.

Thing is our politicians and educated elites like engineers and doctors are the most greedy of all the people. However, our great @Homo Sapiens will disagree with me. He believes that the country is developing because of corruption, although I find almost no development by the govt side.

The politicians are just paying lip service and are enjoying the feast produced by the hard labor of the peasants, workers, and labors in the private sector. But, when it is public works projects the govt fails to act by itself and runs to the foreigners.
 
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@Mage, you are partly correct. Yes lots of local contractors use bamboo instead of rods, but not all of them.
Besides, if you look at any project that is done by Bangladesh Army, all projects are extremely good.
So surely we need to give such works to them ( army) imo . Yes you can say that when the other companies will do? I would say that they have to be more honest and skilled to survive.
If they ( local contractors) can compete , they will survive otherwise not.
In this process, our contractors will do much better and only skilled, and honest will survive , and political sycophants and corrupted will have less benefits/less chance of survive.
Corruption proves that there is no effective control by the govt over the public works. Thousands of Crores of Taka are spent without a real accomplishment. Most of the money is looted by the govt authority people starting from engineers, overseers, head clerk, clerks, accountants, guardsmen, peons, chaprashi, doormen, and everyone else.

Before, it was the govt office people. Today, it is more the local political people. They force money from the contractors and the contractors make it up by providing low-quality materials and poor workmanship.

However, you cannot ask the military to do all the civil construction works although the political goons dare not approach them.

I believe that the flyover structures in Dhaka are mostly overdesigned. It can also mean that no real structural analysis (calculations) is made by the military engineers before preparing the drawings. Without being trained by the knowledgeable engineers the army engineers may lack the knowledge to do the design analysis, although it is the most important aspect of a structure. They may be using the rule of the thumbs, instead. So, the structures look over-sized.
 
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However, you cannot ask the military to do all the civil construction works although the political goons dare not approach them.
Yes Agree. I was just talking about the extreme partisan periods.
But let democracy prevail again and maybe corruption will be increased.
But surely not old days democracy , but a new light .
But yes I agree with you , I just said that because I found no solution.
I am too much upset about such things. Although surely corruption decreased than previous BNP regime, still it's not enough.
And actually in previous BNP regime human were treated by animal with 12-18 hours load shading and other lots of things so this period is not comparable I admit.
But we can easily compare this regime with 1991 BNP regime or 1996 AL regime, and also with outer neighbouring India .
So I think probably we deserve more from any govt.
But they are not doing so.
And also agree with rest of your post too . The problem is awami posters here always love to overlook all our problems.
This is the evidence how partisan still Bangladeshi folks are!

You see tons of threads every day, but nothing is related to regional Bangladeshi politics or other matters . Only development, development ,development.
For 10 percent work, exaggeration is 90%.
 
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