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Mk Sahib and like minded others:
Hog wash.
The majority of Pakistanis, political parties and media ripped into the Army after the LM fiasco when it did act decisively against the extremists.
The only people who are gutless and spineless here are the Pakistanis on either side that attack the Army for (a) Going after the terrorists or (b) Bowing to public opinion and the democratic process and not going after the terrorists.
The analysis on either side is the shallow and safe one of finding a convenient scapegoat, instead of recognizing that the problems are much deeper in Pakistan's polity and society.
The Military cannot win an insurgency without support from the public and the GoP. What has the GoP done to rehabilitate the refugees from bajaur? What plans does it have for rehabilitation and reconstruction if lets say the Army goes in tomorrow and clears out every part of the Tribal areas?
Some of you seem to think that the only thing we need to do is send in the Army to blow away the Taliban and all is well. In the absence of a supporting reconstruction and development strategy, any military gains will be squandered, and you will have an extremely pissed of populace that will be easy pickings for the next wave of extremism.
Sorry, but I don't see analysis here, I just see a frustrated blame game focused solely on the kinetic aspects of fighting the insurgency, without any thought given to the overall requirements for a long term solution.
We don't have the resources of the US and NATO, we cannot afford to waste billions as they have in Afghanistan with so little to show while continuing to use military force to maintain a stalemate.
And while the Army gets damned if it does and damned if it doesn't, the 'democratic' government representing 'Solah Crore Awaam' is sitting pretty twiddling its thumbs hoping someone else makes the decisions for it so it can resort to plausible denial in case things don't work out, and many of you are abetting the GoP and the remaining political leadership in that abdication of its responsibilities.
If you want the Army to be responsible, then advocate for and get the country to support a dictatorship, Martial law and an autocratic state first.
We pakistanis give our army too much credit, respect and power.
Hog wash.
The majority of Pakistanis, political parties and media ripped into the Army after the LM fiasco when it did act decisively against the extremists.
The only people who are gutless and spineless here are the Pakistanis on either side that attack the Army for (a) Going after the terrorists or (b) Bowing to public opinion and the democratic process and not going after the terrorists.
The analysis on either side is the shallow and safe one of finding a convenient scapegoat, instead of recognizing that the problems are much deeper in Pakistan's polity and society.
The Military cannot win an insurgency without support from the public and the GoP. What has the GoP done to rehabilitate the refugees from bajaur? What plans does it have for rehabilitation and reconstruction if lets say the Army goes in tomorrow and clears out every part of the Tribal areas?
Some of you seem to think that the only thing we need to do is send in the Army to blow away the Taliban and all is well. In the absence of a supporting reconstruction and development strategy, any military gains will be squandered, and you will have an extremely pissed of populace that will be easy pickings for the next wave of extremism.
Sorry, but I don't see analysis here, I just see a frustrated blame game focused solely on the kinetic aspects of fighting the insurgency, without any thought given to the overall requirements for a long term solution.
We don't have the resources of the US and NATO, we cannot afford to waste billions as they have in Afghanistan with so little to show while continuing to use military force to maintain a stalemate.
And while the Army gets damned if it does and damned if it doesn't, the 'democratic' government representing 'Solah Crore Awaam' is sitting pretty twiddling its thumbs hoping someone else makes the decisions for it so it can resort to plausible denial in case things don't work out, and many of you are abetting the GoP and the remaining political leadership in that abdication of its responsibilities.
If you want the Army to be responsible, then advocate for and get the country to support a dictatorship, Martial law and an autocratic state first.