Abu Hamza silent on ISI role in Mumbai attacks

[Abu Zolfiqar]

no such connection exists -- its just another baseless propaganda created by indian

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Please see your own media's statements as well:

"Jundal, who was among those directing the attackers, including lone surviving terrorist Ajmal Kasab, told interrogators that though he could not identify the ISI officers by name and rank, their appearance and authoritative conduct clearly indicated that they were from the intelligence agency, sources told HT."

'2 men in control room looked like ISI officers' - Hindustan Times

See the highlighted part - basically there is nothing to suggest ISI involvement other than outlandish speculation, yet the Indian media and GoI are hysterically ranting and raving about having 'Proved ISI/Pakistani State involvement in the Mumbai attacks'.

what does an ISI officer look like?

cant even come up with names so they say "Major Iqbal"

or was he a Col.?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

ISI officer in control room: Abu Jundal-India-TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos

Just after Pakistan Foreign Secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani denied any state role in the 26/11 attacks, handler of the attacks Abu Jundal once again nailed Pakistan's lie. Sources tell TIMES NOW that Abu Jundal in his latest revelation told investiating agencies that an ISI officer was in the control room during the attacks. The office is being named as Major Samir was also named by David Coleman Headley during his questioning.


check this out....

 

[Hyperion]

What will you say about Pakistani passport....

When India and Pakistan can print each others currencies perfectly, do you think printing a measly passport will be an issue by either party?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

ISI officer in control room: Abu Jundal-India-TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos

Just after Pakistan Foreign Secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani denied any state role in the 26/11 attacks, handler of the attacks Abu Jundal once again nailed Pakistan's lie. Sources tell TIMES NOW that Abu Jundal in his latest revelation told investiating agencies that an ISI officer was in the control room during the attacks. The office is being named as Major Samir was also named by David Coleman Headley during his questioning.


check this out....

This is not new - these allegations were made in media days ago, and have already been highlighted as lacking credibility on this thread.

Pakistan rejects state role in Mumbai attacks
By AFP / Sunara Nizami

Published: July 5, 2012


NEW DELHI: Pakistan rejected Thursday renewed Indian charges that Pakistani “state actors” were involved in planning and coordinating the 2008 Mumbai attacks that left 166 people dead.

“I would very strongly reject any insinuation of any involvement of any state agency in acts of terrorism in India,” Pakistani Foreign Secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani told reporters after talks with his Indian counterpart Ranjan Mathai.

The two top civil servants in their respective ministries held two days of talks in New Delhi to bolster a peace dialogue undermined by fresh tensions over the Mumbai attacks and political flux in Pakistan.

Jilani said that both countries had managed to improve the level of cooperation, adding that the only way to move forward on this issue was to fill any gaps that remained.

The Indian foreign secretary, however, chose to add that the home minister had already addressed the question in some detail and had drawn attention to “the scale of the conspiracy and the extent of control”.

Of CBMs, Kashmir and friendly exchanges
Three major issues highlighted and discussed during the meeting were confidence building measures (CBMs), the Jammu and Kashmir issue and greater people-to-people contact and friendly exchanges.

Speaking to the media, Mathai said that the dialogue had contributed to a better understanding of “each others’ positions”.

“While we might not agree on all issues, we do agree that relations between our two countries have to be normalized,” he said, adding that there was determination on both sides to take the dialogue forward “with an open mind and a constructive spirit”.

The issue of peace and security was discussed in a comprehensive manner. Both sides emphasized the need of mutual understanding through constructive dialogue and both countries recognised that terrorism was a continuing threat to peace and security.
They reaffirmed the strong commitment of both countries to fight and eliminate terrorism in an effective and comprehensive manner.

The foreign secretaries had a comprehensive exchange of views on the issue of Jammu and Kashmir and agreed to continue discussions in a “purposeful and forward-looking manner” with the view of finding a peaceful solution by “narrowing divergences and building convergences”.

Finally, Mathai drew attention to the importance of greater people-to-people contact and friendly exchanges and “building a relationship of trust and friendship between the two countries.

Jilani, thanking Mathai for his generosity and gracious treatment, said that he brought to the people and Government of India a message of goodwill, peace and cooperation from the people and Government of Pakistan.

He said that talks with his Indian counterpart on peace and security including CBMs, Jammu and Kashmir and the promotion of friendly exchanges had been substantive.

“We held separate meetings for each segment which are part of the Pak-India dialogue process,” he said.
Jilani said that they reviewed progress on peace and security and agreed to convene separate meetings of the expert-level working group on nuclear and conventional CBMs.

The Pakistani foreign secretary told the media that he and his counterpart had also reviewed progress on several “cross-LOC intra-Kashmir CBMs”.

“We have agreed to convene a meeting of the joint working group on cross-LOC CBMs to streamline and strengthen travel and trade arrangements,” he said.

Jilani, agreeing with his Indian counterpart that there was no alternative to dialogue and constructive engagement, said that both countries were important in South Asia and have a special responsibility to promote peace and prosperity in the region.

“We are not only close neighbors, we are also partners in the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC),” he said.
“We make serious and sincere efforts towards building mutual trust and applying political will in resolving all outstanding issues through peaceful means and continue to work for promotion of peace harmony and cooperation,” he added.

Jilani said that he had come to declare the mandate of the leadership of Pakistan to promote bilateral relations.

“Let me assure you of our sincere desire to make every effort to resolve our differences and move forward,” he said.

Abu Jindal and peace talks
Answering a question related to the Mumbai attacks and the recent development in the form of Abu Jindal, Mathai said that Pakistan bringing the guilty to justice would be the biggest confidence building measure for Indians.

“The arrest and the ongoing interrogation of Abu Jindal has now added urgency to this matter,” said Mathai, adding that an investigation was underway and the country would “pursue this matter with determination to its logical conclusion”.

Jilani, answering the same question, said that terrorism is considered a common enemy of both countries but playing the blame game was not constructive and might hinder progress on the issue.

He said that both countries needed to go from adversarial to positive relations.

“Terrorism is an important issue and we need serious efforts for resolving it,” he said, adding that the he had assured his Indian counterpart that whatever evidence India has should be shared with Pakistan and that the country would “even be willing to offer a joint investigation into the whole affair”.

Setbacks in trade ties
In response to a question on whether the latest development in the Mumbai attacks issue would create a setback in trade ties, both foreign secretaries said it should not be so.

“The forward movement on economic and commercial cooperation between India and Pakistan is really a welcome development and a win-win proposition for both sides,” said Mathai.

He said that India looked forward to making progress on the trade track in accordance with the roadmap which has been agreed upon by both sides but at the same time, the country was very conscious as terrorism poses a continuing threat to peace and security and the full normalisation of bilateral relations.

“In this regard, we have reiterated the firm and undiluted the commitment of the two countries to fight and eliminate this scourge and bring those responsible to justice,” said Mathai adding that India expects the realisation of this commitment and looks forward to its fulfillment.

Jilani answered the question by stating, “I hope not. There should be no setback as it is something we cannot afford.” He reiterated the need for intensified cooperation.

“Our home ministries and interior ministry should meet more often and enter comprehensive cooperation in order to defeat forces of terrorism,” he said.

New Delhi suspended a four-year peace process with Islamabad after the attacks on India’s financial capital by 10 gunmen.
The full peace dialogue only resumed in February last year.

In Thursday’s joint-statement, the diplomats said that a meeting between the foreign ministers of India and Pakistan was now scheduled for September.

Pakistan rejects state role in Mumbai attacks – The Express Tribune

 

[Hyperion]

ISI officer in control room: Abu Jundal-India-TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos

Just after Pakistan Foreign Secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani denied any state role in the 26/11 attacks, handler of the attacks Abu Jundal once again nailed Pakistan's lie. Sources tell TIMES NOW that Abu Jundal in his latest revelation told investiating agencies that an ISI officer was in the control room during the attacks. The office is being named as Major Samir was also named by David Coleman Headley during his questioning.


check this out....

Like ISI advertises it's personnel ranks and names

99% of all ISI foreign intelligence wing is composed of officers from armed forces, therefore, if even one had been caught, there would be trail back to his days at any one of the academies inside Pakistan. Wouldn't there be?

Kindly name ONE double agent of ISI since 1948, OR, ONE that has been caught and defected?

 

[rockstarIN]

This is not new - these allegations were made in media days ago, and have already been highlighted as lacking credibility on this thread.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...-isi-role-mumbai-attacks-4.html#ixzz1zkuN8THq

How the credible evidence looks like? An offer letter in ISI's letter head issued to Abu Hamza? or a video footage?

Had Kasab been not caught, Pakistan would have denied everything about 26/11.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Like ISI advertises it's personnel names and names

99% of all ISI foreign intelligence wing is composed of officers from armed forces, therefore, if even one had been caught, there would be trail back to his days at any one of the academies inside Pakistan. Wouldn't there be?

Kindly name ONE double agent of ISI since 1948, OR, ONE that has been caught and defected?

As if there will be a media briefing on the "James Bond" caught
Such matters are never let out mate, as u know...

 

[Hyperion]

SELF DELETE>... Double Post.

 

[Hyperion]

As if there will be a media briefing on the "James Bond" caught
Such matters are never let out mate, as u know...

Exactly!

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

This is not new - these allegations were made in media days ago, and have already been highlighted as lacking credibility on this thread.

Yesterday u said, since he was silent, ISI was not involved... Now he sings the truth and u say its not credible... I said the same sterday, u wont accept it, even if he says about ISI involvement and now u have proved it.....

 

[Hulk]

what does an ISI officer look like?

cant even come up with names so they say "Major Iqbal"

or was he a Col.?

No spy agency will disclose real names and ranks outside organization. There is no way they can get real names. It can all be just guess.

 

[OrionHunter]

See the highlighted part - basically there is nothing to suggest ISI involvement other than outlandish speculation, yet the Indian media and GoI are hysterically ranting and raving about having 'Proved ISI/Pakistani State involvement in the Mumbai attacks'.

Media is payed to rant but I don't think the govt is. Check this out....

Sitting in a small room in the headquarters of the Delhi Police’s Special cell, arrested LeT terrorist Syed Zabiuddin Ansari alias Abu Jundal has confirmed to the Indian interrogators that Pakistan’s ISI played a major role in preparing for the 26/11 attack on Mumbai.

Ansari, who is being interrogated by a joint team of counter-terrorism officials drawn from the R&AW, the IB and the Delhi Police, reportedly told them that the control room which was monitoring the 26/11 terror attacks was situated in a VIP area in Karachi and that several top ISI commanders were present there during the attacks. The ISI officials present there were in turn, giving orders and instructions to the handlers.

Ansari, one of the handlers of the terrorists who attacked Mumbai, has reportedly revealed to the investigators that Pakistan’s spy agency, the directorate for Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), was fully aware and involved in the planning and execution of the 26/11 terror attacks.

Ansari’s revelations are a valuable addition to the confessions of David Coleman Headley who had disclosed to NIA officials earlier that three Pakistani army officials from the ISI had constantly briefed him before his travels to India.


Pakistan had reportedly been pressuring Saudi Arabia against deporting Hamza to India. Sources say that Pakistan was worried that once India had access to the handler, it would be able to irrefutably establish how Pakistani “state actors” – possibly from the ISI and the country’s army – were linked to 26/11.

More here...

The role of three Pakistani Army officers — Major Iqbal, Major Sameer Ali and Major Abdul Rehman Hashmi — has already been established and their names are in a chargesheet filed by the National Investigation Agency in a Delhi court. The interrogation of Sayed Zabiuddin Ansari, alias Abu Hamza, alias Abu Zindal, has revealed that at least four more Pakistani Army officers were part of the Mumbai terror plot.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20120627/main1.htm

He could be lying through his teeth. He could be telling the truth. Let's wait for corroboration instead of jumping to conclusions!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

No spy agency will disclose real names and ranks outside organization. There is no way they can get real names. It can all be just guess.

Media is payed to rant but I don't think the govt is. Check this out....

Sitting in a small room in the headquarters of the Delhi Police’s Special cell, arrested LeT terrorist Syed Zabiuddin Ansari alias Abu Jundal has confirmed to the Indian interrogators that Pakistan’s ISI played a major role in preparing for the 26/11 attack on Mumbai.

Ansari, who is being interrogated by a joint team of counter-terrorism officials drawn from the R&AW, the IB and the Delhi Police, reportedly told them that the control room which was monitoring the 26/11 terror attacks was situated in a VIP area in Karachi and that several top ISI commanders were present there during the attacks. The ISI officials present there were in turn, giving orders and instructions to the handlers.

Ansari, one of the handlers of the terrorists who attacked Mumbai, has reportedly revealed to the investigators that Pakistan’s spy agency, the directorate for Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), was fully aware and involved in the planning and execution of the 26/11 terror attacks.

Ansari’s revelations are a valuable addition to the confessions of David Coleman Headley who had disclosed to NIA officials earlier that three Pakistani army officials from the ISI had constantly briefed him before his travels to India.


Pakistan had reportedly been pressuring Saudi Arabia against deporting Hamza to India. Sources say that Pakistan was worried that once India had access to the handler, it would be able to irrefutably establish how Pakistani “state actors” – possibly from the ISI and the country’s army – were linked to 26/11.

More here...

The role of three Pakistani Army officers — Major Iqbal, Major Sameer Ali and Major Abdul Rehman Hashmi — has already been established and their names are in a chargesheet filed by the National Investigation Agency in a Delhi court. The interrogation of Sayed Zabiuddin Ansari, alias Abu Hamza, alias Abu Zindal, has revealed that at least four more Pakistani Army officers were part of the Mumbai terror plot.

The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Main News

He could be lying through his teeth. He could be telling the truth. Let's wait for corroboration instead of jumping to conclusions!

Given Indian Rabbit's comment above, how exactly do you think any claims of 'ISI officers involved' are going to be validated? How does Jindal even know that he was dealing with 'ISI officers'?

I agree that 'we need to wait for corroboration', and that would be advice the Indian media should follow, since there is nothing credible to currently corroborate allegations of ISI/PA involvement in the Mumbai attacks.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

No spy agency will disclose real names and ranks outside organization. There is no way they can get real names. It can all be just guess.

so you indians are the ones doing the ''guessing'' it seems

try harder