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Sino Defence has recently mentioned that the Chinese are starting a MI 17 production line so will future helos come from China or will Pakistan continue to purchase them from Russia?

Unless and until the Chinese could come up with their own version of the MI-17 just in the case with J-11, i don't think they will offer Pakistan and IMO Pakistan also should not pursue the Chinese version since we are having no problems in acquiring them from the original source and going the other way will only help build tensions.
 
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CoAS visting SSG's SOTF at Tarbela:

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Rawalpindi, July 22: Special operations form an integral and key part of the strategy to fight terrorism. It is therefore, essential to optimize its current potential and to enhance its capabilities. This was stated by Chief of Army Staff, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani while witnessing troops engaged in training activities near Tarbela.
On a day long trip to the Special Services Group, he was briefed in detail about all aspects relating to operational capabilities of Special Services Group. He also saw troops engaged in extensive and rigorous training. He took special interest in the specialized equipment being used by these troops. He also met with troops injured during recent operations and inquired about their health and welfare.

On arrival at the training area, The Chief of Army Staff was received by Major General Tahir Mahmood, General Officer Commanding Special Services Group.


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The Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani during his visit to Tarbela on tuesday (22-7-08) Photo ISPR
 
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He also met with troops injured during recent operations and inquired about their health and welfare.


We hear alot about the deaths of servicemen but their comrades injured and maimed in the line of duty deserve equal mention.

Well done to the CoAS for giving them their due recognition.
 
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We hear alot about the deaths of servicemen but their comrades injured and maimed in the line of duty deserve equal mention.

Well done to the CoAS for giving them their due recognition.

You are absolutely right and this goes all the more for those folks who are in the Special Operations community. In Pakistan, the SSG has been involved in many operations which have yet to be made public or may never be made public and operators have gotten injured or have made the ultimate sacrifice while conducting these operations. They are only recognized within the SSG community otherwise nobody has a clue as to what has happened to them.
 
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F2000 ssg do not uses onle our airforce ssg wing uses it

I wouldn't bet on it.

Special Forces troopers are expected to be proficient on a whole host of weaponary so I'm sure army SSG will also have access to F2000 and more.
 
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who told you that army ssg uses i read in article FT2000 is only uses airforce ssg which article. in winkepadia where a pakistani airforce ssg have a F2000 gun in his hand ead it just read it carefully.
 
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Operators Test New Commando Rifle July 29, 2008
Military.com|by Christian Lowe


It's a rifle designed specifically for the special operations community. Modular barrels, ambidextrous controls, a gas-piston operating system, a host of adjustment options -- but you already know that.
So with all the slick marketing language and eye-popping specifications of the SOCOM Combat Assault Rifle, it's a given that operators will embrace the thing wholeheartedly, right?

Well, let's ask them.

"This rifle is awesome," said one Special Forces operator who, like the rest of the Green Berets in this interview, declined to be named for security reasons. "It's spot on."

Now you get an idea of how the men who'll use the weapon in combat felt about it, not just some six-figure marketing guru spewing crafty catch-phrases. But what's most interesting is why they liked the rifle so much
The SCAR, which comes in a 5.56mm version and a 7.62mm one, is nearing the end of its field user assessment phase -- the final stage before full-rate production and fielding to units under U.S. Special Operations Command, including SEALs, Green Berets and Air Force Special Tactics units.

The entry of the SCAR into the spec ops community comes as the services, Congress and the Pentagon scuffle over whether or not to replace the current M4 rifle and address persistent complaints over the standard-issued carbine's reported lack of "stopping power" and its need for constant maintenance and cleaning to avoid jams.

But ask the special operations troops firing both the Mk-16 (the 5.56mm version of the SCAR) and the Mk-17, its 7.62mm brethren, and you'll get a completely different response on the rifles' advantages over the venerable M4.

To these hardened commandos, the issue wasn't the new carbine's gas-piston system that many experts agree causes fewer stoppages than the all-gas operated M4 -- they keep their weapons in tip top shape. Instead, some operators appreciated how well the SCAR felt with lead pouring from its muzzle.


"I like it a lot better than the M4," one special operator said after firing a magazine full of 5.56mm through the Mk-16. "There's a lot less recoil."

One Special Forces Soldier applauded the weapon's controls, with safety latches located on both sides of the receiver and situated much closer to the weapon's handle.

"This works better with my stumpy hands," the stocky operator joked.

But by far the feature that most impressed these operators was the SCAR's ability to change from something as small as a submachine gun to a weapon with the reach of a sniper rifle.

Like many competitors to the M4, both the Mk-16 and Mk-17 can be outfitted with barrels ranging from 10 inches for close-quarters battle operations to 18-inch designated marksman barrels.

"That's the best part of this weapon," explained one Special Forces Soldier. "When we deploy, we usually go with just our M4s. But if we're on an operation where we need an overwatch or we're observing at a distance, the M4 doesn't do us much good until it's too late."


With the SCAR, the NCO said, the team could have both the reach and protection of a long gun and the maneuverability and portability of an assault rifle -- all in one.

Both the Mk-17 and Mk-16 have a fully adjustable stock that can be folded to the side to shrink the carbine into the length of a submachine gun. Some of the operators at the test shoot gave the stumpy rifle a try in this configuration, but marksmanship was mixed.

"I'm not sure I'd ever want to fire it like this," one operator said after shooting the Mk-17 with its stock folded. "But it'd sure be nice to fold it up like this for transporting in a vehicle or something."

Officials with FN-USA say that U.S. Special Operations Command has ordered about 18,000 SCAR variants for commandos and a limited run of about 1,200 rifles has already begun.

It's unclear still whether these Special Forces Soldiers will be slinging lead down range with a SCAR pinned to their shoulder on their next deployment, but judging by the pile of spent casings littering the ground during their demo shoot, some of them wouldn't complain if the new rifle wound up in their armory.


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The FN SCAR is the best way to go, 5.56, 7.62 and sniper configuration as well as tactical add ons to each weapon. The special force versions would have the shorter barrel and optical sights along with suppressors. Solid reliability and good genetics. This is the rifle we need.
 
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The FN SCAR is the best way to go, 5.56, 7.62 and sniper configuration as well as tactical add ons to each weapon. The special force versions would have the shorter barrel and optical sights along with suppressors. Solid reliability and good genetics. This is the rifle we need.

The Turks have replaced their G3's with a modified HK 416 and 417 system known as Mehmetcik which is on the same level as the FN SCAR.


The HK416 is currently available in four different barrel lengths: the D10RS model with a 264 mm (10.4 in) barrel, the 368 mm (14.5 in) barrel length D14.5RS, the D16.5RS fitted with a 419 mm (16.5 in) and the 505 mm (19.9 in) length barrel of the D20RS.

The HK417 is currently available in three different barrel lengths (all in 7.62x51mm NATO):

* HK417 12" 'Assaulter' Model - 12" standard barrel
* HK417 16" 'Recce' Model - 16" standard and accurized barrels
* HK417 20" 'Sniper' Model - 20" accurized barrel

Of course ToT would be key since we would be needing 500,000. I think maybe we should consult with the Turks and test their Mehmetcik before making a final decision.
 
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Guys,

How are any of the above posts related to SSG's weapons? SCAR, Mehmetcik are not in use by the SSG. There are other general threads for discussions about weapons.
Thanks
 
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Guys,

How are any of the above posts related to SSG's weapons? SCAR, Mehmetcik are not in use by the SSG. There are other general threads for discussions about weapons.
Thanks

Future procurements, which the standard infantry rifle has been subject of much debate and speculation due to a few domestic programs being tested by the SSG as well as foreign competition from FNH and HK. The SSG currently has quite a haphazard mix of firearms and usually the SSG is the first to try out any firearm that will be procured in large amounts later by regular units. And it is important to build around the needs of future infantry weapons with the SSG in mind. These weapons are what I think the SSG should try out before future procurements take place and henceforth the involvement of SCAR and Mehmetcik in this discussion.
 
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