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Ayesha sadiqi says, Americans can buy generals with visas and $$.... as if they have not bought her. what a *****
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Human history and behavior tell us that power is intoxicating and addictive. A reasonable deduction from your statements is that the military could have a vested interest in continuing failures of civil apparati to ensure its hold on power. Why wouldn't they? Or are we to assume that our military is totally selfless?
The reality is that we have a classic Catch-22 situation. The military will not give up power because the civil authorities fail. The civil authorities will continue to fail because they have no real authority or even the mechanisms to develop basic competencies. Hence the present situation.
@Aeronaut please approve this post. I have downloaded the entire PDF file and will be able to comment after reading it all, which would take a few days.
The agencies are too powerful, too unaccountable - they get blamed whether it's their fault or not.Politicians will always cry that they do not have the authority on certain institutions and those institutions will also cry that it is the mere incompetency of the Civilian leaders that they are not entrusted with things (which btw hold true). A restructuring and re-building is required in the Intelligence agencies and LEA of the country - including ISI. A central authority is to be formed which will ensure a clear line of communication and co-ordination between IAs and LEAs.
You have made some valid points there. It seems to be just too much of a "vicious circle syndrome" that has led to this state of affairs. Shuja Pasha's (purported) statement of "failing state" is "over the top" in my view. Just as that hackneyed expression of "failed state" is just bunkum or bakwaas. More apposite is the possible characterisation of a "Bonsai State" (Stunted State) where the institutions that must form a part of it have not been able to grow in any mature or balanced manner.
Anyway this leaked Dossier will be on the reading lists of many people now (as well as my own) to understand in some detail what conclusions the Commission may have arrived at.
@nuclearpak; please vet this post, for necessary action.
I wonder when Page 197 will be leaked?
But finally, no honest assessment of the situation can escape the conclusion that those individuals who wielded primary authority and influence in national decision making bear the primary responsibility for creating the national circumstances and environment in which the May 2, 2011 incident occurred. It is unnecessary to specifically name them because it is obvious who they are. It may be politically unrealistic to suggest "punishments" for them. But as honourable men, they ought to do the honourable thing, including submitting a formal apology to the nation for their dereliction of duty. It will be for the people of Pakistan to pass collective judgment on them.
Whether you call it Failing or Failed or Bonsai, this paragraph is the one that I fear is the most prophetic about our future:
Para-757 by ArgusPanoptes007, on Flickr
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@Aeronaut @nuclearpak please approve this post. The report makes for deep thinking on several levels. I wonder when Page 197 will be leaked?
Mere change of Govt. will never and can never resolve the key issues or flaws in the system. As @nuclearpak has pointed out that there is no co-ordination between Intelligence Agencies of the country and so does the LEA.
Let me just add here that ISI is an agency which does not like to share its information with other agencies, be it MI or the IB and these other agencies does the vice versa.
Again if mere change of Govt was to do much than we would not be seeing one Intel Agency of the country holding major stakes, even in the era of Musharaf this was not the case.
Politicians will always cry that they do not have the authority on certain institutions and those institutions will also cry that it is the mere incompetency of the Civilian leaders that they are not entrusted with things (which btw hold true).
A restructuring and re-building is required in the Intelligence agencies and LEA of the country - including ISI. A central authority is to be formed which will ensure a clear line of communication and co-ordination between IAs and LEAs.
I guess this is what Pasha saab was trying to say here too. more will be said once i read the full report
@nuclearpak @Aeronaut approval for the post please
A restructuring and re-building is required in the Intelligence agencies and LEA of the country - including ISI. A central authority is to be formed which will ensure a clear line of communication and co-ordination between IAs and LEAs.
Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/senior...e-failing-state-says-pasha.html#ixzz2Ya72HoRz
Again if mere change of Govt was to do much than we would not be seeing one Intel Agency of the country holding major stakes, even in the era of Musharaf this was not the case.
Politicians will always cry that they do not have the authority on certain institutions and those institutions will also cry that it is the mere incompetency of the Civilian leaders that they are not entrusted with things (which btw hold true).
Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/senior...e-failing-state-says-pasha.html#ixzz2Ya7XuNUH
I wonder when Page 197 will be leaked?
Which new power projects have been launched?
As for the rest, they are all on words till now. The previous government also made alot of promises...
As for projects with China, these are all MoU's, further process will take the best part of a year even if they are fast tracked.
Until the projects get 60% completed, I won't be putting a tick on them.
Here's what your favorite N league does.
When you are going to use intel agencies for your personal aims, this sort of stuff is going to happen. IB is a tool for the party in power, not a interior intel organization.
The only agency in Pakistan doing it's job is ISI and then the MI, AI and NI. IB, FIA and others have all turned into personal ventures. There is a reasons why ISI isn't under these politicians.
Human history and behavior tell us that power is intoxicating and addictive. A reasonable deduction from your statements is that the military could have a vested interest in continuing failures of civil apparati to ensure its hold on power. Why wouldn't they? Or are we to assume that our military is totally selfless?
The reality is that we have a classic Catch-22 situation. The military will not give up power because the civil authorities fail. The civil authorities will continue to fail because they have no real authority or even the mechanisms to develop basic competencies. Hence the present situation.
@Aeronaut please approve this post. I have downloaded the entire PDF file and will be able to comment after reading it all, which would take a few days.
you are so cheap we can buy you with a visa,
While your observation is true in certain aspects (especially foreign policy), it does not absolve the civilians from providing governance in other areas.
Again, I ask: is the army/ISI stopping the civilians from formulating an energy policy? a public health policy? an education policy? an infrastructure policy? a jobs scheme? taxation reform?