Ababeel SSM - Pakistan gains MIRV technology.

[Hell hound]

& this is the most dangerous thing ..... as mush the difference in conventional capabilities b/w India & Pakistan will increase the dependency of Pakistan on non-conventional means & False Sense of security in India will also increase

Further the increase gap in conventional capabilities with false sense of security in India will present a situation which may induce the Indian political class for misadventure just for the INTERNAL POLITICAL GAINS, so South Asia is trapped in a viscous circle .....

Welcome to Hell you all ....

but on the other hand there is nothing much that we can do about the situation. conventional gap is only going to widen with every passing year and our only saving grace is either nukes or peace.

 

[GumNaam]

& this is the most dangerous thing ..... as mush the difference in conventional capabilities b/w India & Pakistan will increase the dependency of Pakistan on non-conventional means & False Sense of security in India will also increase

Further the increase gap in conventional capabilities with false sense of security in India will present a situation which may induce the Indian political class for misadventure just for the INTERNAL POLITICAL GAINS, so South Asia is trapped in a viscous circle .....

Welcome to Hell you all ....

there is one big problem that india has; considering the event outpoar of indian soldiers helplessly complaining about how corruption is decaying the indian military from the top all the down to the roots of the very for soldiers shows that the indian military is big but fat and rusty headed by extremely corrupt and nepotistic generals and politicians. A corrupt general or politician may saber rattle a lot but when push comes to shove, they won't be able to fight for worth a damn.

 

[Syed_Adeel]

It's not SHAHEEN it's totally different Missile. I also initially thought same but after close look turns out it's totally new Missile

I mean that the first and second stage boosters are same because they are suppose to do exactly same things as Shaheen 2 or 3. Third stage and warhead section is different off course the guidance and navigation would be different.

With increases weight, thanks to MIRVs, the range would go down. So 2200km sounds credible

2200km covers every single major indian city, industrial center, and economic hub. So range is not even an issue

Agree

 

[HRK]

but on the other hand there is nothing much that we can do about the situation.

Economy is the first & independent foreign policy are the second key areas to address this situation .....

conventional gap is only going to widen with every passing year and our only saving grace is either nukes

An unfortunate truth ....

or peace.

At what cost.... ??? Does it cost more then my graceful existence .... ??

"I refuse to die before the enemy" .... Welcome to Hell you all

 

[GumNaam]

but on the other hand there is nothing much that we can do about the situation. conventional gap is only going to widen with every passing year and our only saving grace is either nukes or peace.

The conventional gap is actually not that much. It's just that india is on a buying spree so it becomes known what they are buying. We, on the other hand are on a manufacturing spree especially of force multipliers so we can keep the secrecy. Further more, indians overlook the fact that their buying spree means they have to spend double the amount in sending the equipment back to the manufacturing nation for repairs and servicing which is very costly. The equipment sold as exports by Russia and the west is not the same type they keep for themselves. They keep the long lasting, reliable equipment for themselves and export the equipment that needs major repairs in a couple of months. That's how they make money.

 

[Jf Thunder]

waiting for it to be declared a fake

or better yet, that India has a hidden MIRV too, which has obviously failed its tests

 

[The SC]

CASE STUDY 3
THE ORIGIN OF MIRV
https://fas.org/man/eprint/leitenberg/mirv.pdf
This shows the importance of MIRV technology since the 60's conception.. the why and how,,,

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At least six technological advancements are under way which could seriously erode strategic stability in the subcontinent. The six dimensions of technological innovation in South Asia’s strategic competition are identified as:
1) modern combat aircraft and air defense capabilities
2) cruise and ballistic missiles;
3) sea-based deterrents;
4) tactical nuclear weapons (TNWs);
5) ballistic missile defense (BMD);
6) multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRVs).
To complement these developments, there are advancements in several areas: intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) technologies; communications and navigation; precision-strike weapons; anti- satellite (ASAT) technology; and cyber-warfare capabilities.

http://herald.dawn.com/news/1153418
So next for Pakistan it will be a robust BMD if it does not exist already..Or at least being in an advanced stage of development..

 

[GumNaam]

agreed your two concluding points are valid but still
1. read about Shaheen 3 its a 3 stage solid fuelled missile with a longer range, and more bulkier making it capable of carrying more MIRVs with greater yield.
2. Yes this new missile might be faster (not sure on it though) but missiles deploy MIRVs at a gluiding range that is just above or on the edge of BMD shield so a little difference in speed is not gonna matter much
3. As quoted by some members it might be a contender for SLBM ok yes it can be but then again you have to make changes in its design which could be made on either of Shaheen 2 or Shaheen 3 , I am just not able to relate the cut down range in the missile with a completly new missile because neither of Shaheen 2 or 3 are obsolute in terms of technology

You make valid points. Maybe it is the Shaheen 3 with MIRVs and more powerful boosters. Who knows.

 

[HRK]

A corrupt general or politician may saber rattle a lot but when push comes to shove, they won't be able to fight for worth a damn.

A corrupt general or politician may use the situation to divert the sentiments of general public to save his arses, therefore India-Pakistan can't afford Internal destabilization & its a mutual responsibility.

 

[GumNaam]

A corrupt general or politician may use the situation to divert the sentiments of general public to save his arses, therefore India-Pakistan can't afford Internal destabilization & its a mutual responsibility.

Yes true but they will still be too gutless to wage an actual war. Regardless, the responsibility of our generals is to ensure our own independence and integrity so thank God All Mighty that our corrupt politicians are scared to death of our generals while in india, their corrupt politicians are in kahuts with the corrupt generals and their foot soldiers have to starve for it.

 

[Mrc]

that India has a hidden MIRV too, which has obviously failed its tests

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Ok so it's being said that new version of shaheen to be tested next month, stay tuned for now,

 

[Yaseen1]

Pakistan has to strengthen its air defense especially against drones.Daesh has released video in which they are striking multiple targets with u.s made drone in mousal Iraq.u.s forces in Afghanistan may give similar drones to isis to use them against Pakistan.

 

[Yaseen1]

Pakistan has to strengthen its air defense especially against drones.Daesh has released video in which they are striking multiple targets with u.s made drone using guided missiles in mousal Iraq.u.s forces in Afghanistan may give similar drones to isis to use them against Pakistan.

 

[GumNaam]

Pakistan has to strengthen its air defense especially against drones.Daesh has released video in which they are striking multiple targets with u.s made drone using guided missiles in mousal Iraq.u.s forces in Afghanistan may give similar drones to isis to use them against Pakistan.

ghani's afghanistan doesn't have drones.

Ok so it's being said that new version of shaheen to be tested next month, stay tuned for now,

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