A year on from Zarb i Azb : How much has changed ?

[Mabs]

I don't suppose there is a thread discussing the reforms on this forum is there?

Naya KPK thread has a lot of info. Also, if you follow Pakistani current affairs on twitter or electronic media, you'd find wealth of information.

 

[VCheng]

Army wants civil administration strong enough to hold the areas which it clears.
Military does not want civilian authority to remain ineffectual in FATA and the areas in which it is conducting CI ops because the military does not want to get bogged down in a two front war. Deployments in the West always affect the deterrence in the East. After Mumbai attacks, army pulled out troops from FATA and Swat and deployed them on Eastern borders negating some gains made against terrorists in those areas.

Past actions and present policies of the Army have ensured that there is no effective civilian administration to carry out these tasks.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What civilian authority has been destroyed by the Army over decades will not be recreated in a few months or years. It will take decades to build back, and then only if the Army stops preventing such a resurrection, which it clearly has not.

I agree that it will take time to build back civilian institutions, but it won't happen without our politicians at least making the attempt.

On what basis are you arguing that the Army is preventing a 'resurrection of civilian authority', on the domestic front?

 

[VCheng]

I agree that it will take time to build back civilian institutions, but it won't happen without our politicians at least making the attempt.

On what basis are you arguing that the Army is preventing a 'resurrection of civilian authority', on the domestic front?

Thee is no picking and choosing a "domestic front" with civilian authority. Either the Army accepts its constitutional role and works under civilian authority in all spheres, or it does not. It can be seen clearly that it does not, just like in the past.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Thee is no picking and choosing a "domestic front" with civilian authority. Either the Army accepts its constitutional role and works under civilian authority in all spheres, or it does not. It can be seen clearly that it does not, just like in the past.

There is nothing stopping the civilian authorities from attempting to enact reforms domestically (except for their own ideological limitations), and domestic reforms are what Pakistan needs urgently - I don't see how and where the Army is stopping the civilian authorities from pursuing those reforms. In fact, the Army has time and again called for civilian authorities to step up and reform in the last several years, in FATA and in Karachi, yet nothing has been done. So obviously the argument that the civilian authorities are hamstrung domestically by the Army in implementing reforms is not valid, since the civvies can't even implement policies that have strong, public Army support.

 

[Psychic]

Past actions and present policies of the Army have ensured that there is no effective civilian administration to carry out these tasks.

This is an excuse to justify the incompetence of civil administration in Swat and areas of FATA. An excuse to justify the mess caused by incompetent civil administration and civil govt in Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

There is nothing stopping the civilian authorities from attempting to enact reforms domestically (except for their own ideological limitations), and domestic reforms are what Pakistan needs urgently - I don't see how and where the Army is stopping the civilian authorities from pursuing those reforms. In fact, the Army has time and again called for civilian authorities to step up and reform in the last several years, in FATA and in Karachi, yet nothing has been done. So obviously the argument that the civilian authorities are hamstrung domestically by the Army in implementing reforms is not valid, since the civvies can't even implement policies that have strong, public Army support.

This is an excuse to justify the incompetence of civil administration in Swat and areas of FATA. An excuse to justify the mess caused by incompetent civil administration and civil govt in Pakistan.

We can agree to disagree here. The Army's usurpation of unlawful authority has had, is having, and will continue, to have dire consequences for all other institutions, including civilian authority. The evidence remains overwhelming and damning.