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A titanic power struggle in Kabul (Karzai out, Zahir Shah in?)

well pakistan or india helping afghanistan is one and the same thing......the only surprising factor here for me now is.....till the time taliban ruled afghanistan, pakistan govt was supporting them...now today they are talking about pringing peace and democracy in afghanistan....

gud luck to GOP
 
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The Indian show of defiance on Afghanistan is amusing. In all likelihood, they probably have conceded defeat, just like to make their exit gracious by putting up as much resistance as they can.

The hard truth is that Pakistan can militarily take out India at will if it ever wanted to. It can logistically choke and strangle India's presence in Afghanistan. It can politically undermine Indian influence within Afghan policy with all the cards we hold in terms of reconciliation, Afghan oil and aid supply, the assistance to millions of Afghan refugees and so on.

It is with a sense of pride that I can say that Indian mission in Afghanistan is having a fresh look and new resolve has gripped the foreign office. India never came to Afghanistan on a victory/defeat equation.

The truth is Afghanistan people see the benefits of the Indian mission and Pakistan does not have the spine to come out in the open and fight India on any theatre. Pakistan was unable to admit it had its own troops in Kargil for months. Logistics can be developed through Tehran and India is active and aware of such possibilities. The roads constructed by India remove logistical bottlenecks. The biggest plus point with India is the moderate levels of trust it has earned with th common man in Afghanistan. The deficit in trust to even allow Pakistan to help Afghan security training is a major setback to Pakistan given India is playing the role Pakistan is desperate to take over.

About the hard truth, that is the joke of the day. India has no military presence in Afghanistan and taking out a non existent enemy is amusing to say the least.
 
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i think its in pakistan's best interest to stick with Iran and Turkey. and if they are supporting karzai then support karzai. there has been a sea change since he won his presidential election. furthermore he is the only one who is pushing the idea of reintegration of taliban with full force. This is one right thing he is doing to make afghanistan a functional state. Recently he has also stood up against western powers and have assured us of no proxy war in afghanistan.

If we stick with this regional solution, it will be a lot easier for pakistan to force karzai given he does not fulfils his promise. Also sharing influence in afghanistan with regional countries (Iran and Turkey) will reap gud results for us. India made this blunder by ignoring regional countries and toeing itself with US. This provides us with great opportunity to enhance our relations with Iran especially. Also india and karzai are not in the same bed any more which is gud for us. Even if India maintains its economic presence in afghanistan, its of no harm to us as our side of afghanistan will be ruled by pro pak elements.

The other option is to join the great game of US and NATO. Do you really want to help them to contain China? and do you really think that once they establish their hold in central asia they would not like to cut through balochistan to reach arabian sea which is exactly wat USSR wanted? Them gettin hold of central asia means trouble for Iran and China at the same time. and obviously then we wont have any option but to support them as there is no way pakistan will find enough guts to deny them logistics for which they rarely pay and wateva they pay is with much fanfare.

Once they are done with central asia, their next thing will be to boost india against China which is wat they were doing so far but had to stop coz of their plan falling apart in afghanistan. They only need us for few years and thats it. If we want to contain india then today we have to contain NATO in central asia.

What maximum can US offer us? recognise us as a nuclear state. sign with us an agreement similar to that of India's on which they are moving at snail's pace. give us more F 16s and artillery to please our military. few more billion dollars to our economic managers. help getting gas from turkemanistan and qatar. All this will help us only for one dacade and then we will broke again. and being broke means, being ready for exploitation. and who knows we might have to withdraw our support from China.

Our long term benefit is in taking care of regional interests (those of Iran, China, Turkey etc). Any move against the will of regional countries will be drastic in future. stick with karzai if he is in harmony with us and his immediate neighbours which he is. Make sure NATO stays out of this region. Bring in China instead of US. Russia doesnt want to enter this game which is in our best interest. and the only way it can stay that way is if we dont irritate them by backing nato. and finally join SCO
 
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as much as inidans like to deny , Pakistan has somehow scarred the collective memory of indians so badly that its the dominant fear in their psyche

On the home front india's 'Red States' are in a state of rebelion but indians are more concerend about countering Pakistan rather than feeding their poor and addressing the grievances of the 'Red States of India'

After american departure indians will face salughter in afghanistan but they are trying to put a brave face. Anyway let the indians stay on and we'll make sure they NEVER return!

Come July 2011 we'll see how much juice india has , it will be interesting
 
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Pakistan Forces India Out Of Afghanistan

Afghanistan’s immediate neighbours – Pakistan, Iran, China, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, as well as the US, met earlier this year in Turkey to discuss the situation in Afghanistan and to take stock of measures for the restoration of peace in the country. The original “six-plus-two” formula also included Russia, but in the new set up Moscow representation was replaced by the United Kingdom.

Diplomatic sources said Pakistan had been lobbying for the renewal of talks among Afghanistan’s neighbours in order to foil Indian designs of gaining a foothold on Afghan soil.

Pakistan believes India is not an immediate neighbour of Afghanistan and therefore should have limited role in the country.



This part was not in the original article and was conveniently added on.
 
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didnt notice. but there is nothing wrong with this part even if it was added afterwards
 
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didnt notice. but there is nothing wrong with this part even if it was added afterwards

But then thats opinion not news, you have yours i have mine. Playing with articles and then posting them to create a topic is just not right. Whether what was written is right or wrong is totally different issue. :cheers:
 
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India, Iran Join Hands In Stabilising Afghanistan And Fighting Terrorism​

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With the London conference clearing a contentious proposal for reconciliation with the Taliban, India and Iran have decided to expand their cooperation in stabilising Afghanistan and to combat cross-border terrorism emanating from Pakistan.

The volatile situation in Afghanistan and the regional situation figured prominently in discussions between Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao and Iranian leaders during the two-day annual diplomatic consultations in Tehran that ended on Wednesday.

Rao "also exchanged views with the Iranian side on the regional situation, including on Afghanistan, the menace of cross-border terrorism and other matters of regional and global relevance", the external affairs ministry said here after Rao returned home from Tehran on Thursday.

Rao, accompanied by Y.K. Sinha, joint secretary (in charge of Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan) in the external affairs ministry, held the seventh round of strategic dialogue with Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Mohammad Ali Fathollahi in Tehran.

Rao also called on Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki and Minister for Economy and Finance Seyed Shamseddin Hosseini.

The two sides focused on the danger emanating from terrorists based in Pakistan to their security, an issue that was discussed in November last year between External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna and his Iranian counterpart in New Delhi.

The two sides also discussed the transit route from the Iranian port of Chabahar to Afghanistan, which Iran and India have jointly developed. Besides, they spoke about a North-South rail link to provide better connectivity for Afghanistan to Central Asia.
India and Iran share similar perspectives on the shifting situation in Afghanistan and are opposed to any power-sharing arrangement with the Taliban in that country.

Although India grudgingly accepted the proposal endorsed at the Jan 28 London conference on reintegration and reconciliation with the Taliban, New Delhi continues to have reservations about the effectiveness of the proposal, an anxiety that is shared by Tehran.

Iran, an influential player in Afghanistan due to its relations with Hazara tribes, did not participate in the London conference.

The two sides discussed an entire spectrum of bilateral issues, including intensification of economic ties and the tri-nation gas pipeline that is embroiled in differences over the pricing of the Iranian gas and security of the pipeline.

The next meeting of the India-Iran Joint Commission will be held in New Delhi soon.

Rao also met Iran's point person on nuclear talks, Saeed Jalili, secretary, Supreme National Security Council and a close ally of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

This was the first high-level visit from the Indian side to Iran after India voted against Tehran in the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in November last year over a secret uranium enrichment facility it was suspected of developing.

Rao reiterated India's oft-voiced position that New Delhi respected Tehran's right to peaceful uses of nuclear energy provided it was within the purview of Iran's obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

Rao's visit to Tehran coincided with increasing international pressure on Iran to abandon its suspected nuclear weapon aspirations.
 
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Tells me why we need Iran on our side & probably why we got hold of Rigi :D

& last but not the least we can we extract any economic benefits as well, Go for IP Gas pipeline & exclude India out of it, Iranians will surely cooperate if we will 'do more' against Jundullah Group

In one of the recent articles on The News

In return for the success of this policy, the sources claimed, Washington has given guarantees to Islamabad that it would support Pakistan’s efforts to buy nuclear power plants from France for peaceful purposes, limit India’s political role in Afghanistan and Pakistan would have the right to buy oil and gas on less-than-market price from the proposed oil and gas pipelines originating from Central Asia and Afghanistan to India. The royalty that Pakistan would earn on these energy pipelines passing through its territory would be in addition to the above benefits.


http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=27714

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we are in good position, we need to keep it cool & play it perfectly :)
 
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as much as inidans like to deny , Pakistan has somehow scarred the collective memory of indians so badly that its the dominant fear in their psyche

On the home front india's 'Red States' are in a state of rebelion but indians are more concerend about countering Pakistan rather than feeding their poor and addressing the grievances of the 'Red States of India'

After american departure indians will face salughter in afghanistan but they are trying to put a brave face. Anyway let the indians stay on and we'll make sure they NEVER return!

Come July 2011 we'll see how much juice india has , it will be interesting

40 more ITBP commandos for Afghanistan

STAFF WRITER 18:26 HRS IST

New Delhi, Mar 12 (PTI) Following the audacious attack in Kabul on places frequented by Indians, the government today decided to send 40 additional ITBP commandos to secure its people and installations in the war-hit country.

The Indo-Tibetan Border Police commandos would leave for the neighbouring country on Saturday.

Sources said while some would be deployed in the Indian missions, a few others would be stationed in guest houses frequently used by Indians involved in development work, official sources said here.

A team of central security agencies would also leave for Afghanistan shortly to review the security situation.

Based on the report filed by the team, sources said the government would decide whether to scale up the deployment of Indian security personnel.

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Indian envoys in Afghanistan face kidnap threat

NEW DELHI: After unarmed Indian citizens, Indian diplomats in Afghanistan are now under threat from Pakistan-supported terrorists.

According to government sources, India has received "credible" intelligence inputs on a terrorist plot to abduct Indian diplomats.

Coming against the backdrop of a determined effort by ISI to terrorise India into withdrawing from Afghanistan, India has taken the threat seriously, rushing 40 ITBP personnel to ramp up security of its diplomatic corps in Afghanistan.

The diplomats, an eyesore for Pakistan since their effort to rebuild Afghanistan's infrastructure has enhanced India's appeal in the country Islamabad considers its backyard, have been asked to be vigilant.

While Indian officials have been under constant threat in Afghanistan, the recent spate of intelligence inputs comes in the wake of the February 25 attack on Indians in Kabul.

The fear is also because of the track record of Pakistan-backed terror groups. Several years ago, they had massacred members of Iran's mission in Afghanistan.

An Indian diplomat in Afghanistan would be a huge prize for the Taliban and their Pakistani handlers, sources said.

Apart from everything else, it would create the kind of diplomatic crisis between India and Pakistan that would serve as a pretext for Pakistan to take its attention off the Taliban and the US campaign.

India sees the threat as coming principally from Pakistan's terror groups like the Haqqani network and the Lashkar-e-Taiba which are being used against India.

The Haqqanis are Pakistan's favourite Taliban group. Pakistan's army, seeing a growing advantage for itself in Afghanistan, is now more determined than ever to get India out of that country. After two attempts to attack the Indian embassy in Kabul, the Taliban have been training their sights on Indian consulates in Kandahar and Jalalabad.

Since the Indian embassy in Kabul is deemed to be reasonably secure, the additional personnel will be deployed in nearby areas with guesthouses and other residential quarters being used by Indian officials and their family members.

A senior official said, "A team of security/intelligence officials will soon go to Afghanistan to make detailed assessment of security arrangements at Indian establishments in Kabul, Kandahar and other cities. More forces will be sent, if needed, in due course."

At present, 163 ITBP personnel are deployed at the Indian embassy in Kabul and its consulates in Jalalabad, Kandahar, Herat and Mazar-e-Sharif.
 
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Tells me why we need Iran on our side & probably why we got hold of Rigi :D

& last but not the least we can we extract any economic benefits as well, Go for IP Gas pipeline & exclude India out of it, Iranians will surely cooperate if we will 'do more' against Jundullah Group

In one of the recent articles on The News



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we are in good position, we need to keep it cool & play it perfectly :)


That is what India and also the business community of Pakistan have been saying all these days. Use your strategic position (like Singapore) to mint money from transit rights.

However to make it successful you need to close the non-state actor army factory which more often than not are becoming uncontrollable and nuisance factor for Pakistan.

Again the time is running out on this. As India is finding tough to negotiate climate control, buy oilfields (unlike China) and hardly having any fuel to sustain itself, it will more and more depend on nuclear plants, solar, wind, bio-fuel, etc. Again there might be trans-asian power grid setup.

This will make the proposition of bringing gas through Pakistan less and less attractive. My guess is that the window of opportunity is around 15 years.

So make economy your main priority. Others will follow.

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