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A Tipping Point in the US-China-Vietnam Triangle

Hehe, long time no see, I remember, you are that guy who said bought Honor 6 plus with about 600 bucks soon after Honor 6 plus enter into market, and said that Honor 6 plus failed after 2 days, you said, you bought it directly from Chinese Vendor(Honor 6 plus price In China is 1999 Yuan, high-end vesion also less than 3000 Yuan( about 450 Bucks, Much less than 600 bucks),

In Fact, I have question, when did you bought Honor 6 plus? if you can reply, of course, I may have more question later.

And, you seem more like a Vietnamese, but, your flag show you are Canadian, you also have some comment, you are Canadian, are you Canadian Vietnamese?( are you vietnamese, you old account are banned now)

I don't know why this is brought up? are you a cop? lol!! That was like 6 months ago or something like that. I returned the phone to the supplier and they were able to refund me minus shipping (lost money in shipping) in Canadian dollars. Of course I live in Canada and its easier for you to get better pricing in China. I now have a Note 4 and it's doing pretty good. I think my next phone is a Microsoft Windows 10 cell phone.

You have excellent memory, sweetgrapes. No more questions. :police:
 
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In the autumn of 1075, Nùng Tông Đán advanced into Song territory in Guangxi while a naval fleet commanded by Lý Thường Kiệt captured Qinzhou and Lianzhou prefectures. .Lý Thường Kiệt calmed the apprehensions of the local Chinese populace, claiming that he was simply apprehending a rebel who took refuge in China and that the local Song authorities had refused to cooperate in detaining him.[56] In the early spring of 1076, Thường Kiệt and Nùng Tông Đán defeated the Song militia of Yongzhou,[56]and during a battle at Kunlun Pass, their forces beheaded the Governor-General of Guangnan West Circuit, Zhang Shoujie (d. 1076).After a forty-two day siege, Yongzhou was breached and razed to the ground.When Song forces attempted to challenge Lý's forces, the latter retreated, with their spoils of war and thousands of prisoners.

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Congratulations, you launched a pirate raid. Meanwhile:

Chinese domination of Vietnam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Trung sisters' rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even melted down your bronze drums into a trophy horse statue.

Dunno where these Vietnamese get their arrogance from. I'm not gonna argue with you guys over this lol. Its self evident how much you are similar to Chinese, while Chinese are not similar to Vietnamese. No Chinese ever took a Vietnamese name, only Vietnamese takes Chinese names, etc.
 
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There was no 1000 years of Chinese domination.

There was no such a thing as 1000 years of continuous Chinese domination.

Look at your original post !

It is " no 1000 years domination"

Now you change it to " no 1000 years of continuous Chinese domination ".

You are really a master of chicanery .
 
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We sacked Dadu and Shangdu of the Mongols during the Ming dynasty. We eliminated Manchu culture permanently.

Did you ever sack Luoyang or Chang'an? Were you able to eliminate Chinese culture?

We honorably avenged ourselves. Have you?
Huh?! Are you comparing China to VN? I don't think you should be proud that your ancestors were able to defeat Manchu or Mongol, but should instead wondering how they got defeated in the first place. Being a ancient powerhouse in Asia, it was strange how some barbarians could dominate China. On the other hand, VN which is always a smaller country, has a history of fighting and winning against bigger and more powerful opponents. Of course we are not always victorious, and even when we are the victor, we seek peace through diplomacy, not through force. So of cource we hold our heads high to honor our ancestors.
 
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Huh?! Are you comparing China to VN? I don't think you should be proud that your ancestors were able to defeat Manchu or Mongol, but should instead wondering how they got defeated in the first place. Being a ancient powerhouse in Asia, it was strange how some barbarians could dominate China. On the other hand, VN which is always a smaller country, has a history of fighting and winning against bigger and more powerful opponents. Of course we are not always victorious, and even when we are the victor, we seek peace through diplomacy, not through force. So of cource we hold our heads high to honor our ancestors.
You should say thanks to jungle.
 
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Congratulations, you launched a pirate raid. Meanwhile:

Chinese domination of Vietnam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Trung sisters' rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even melted down your bronze drums into a trophy horse statue.

Dunno where these Vietnamese get their arrogance from. I'm not gonna argue with you guys over this lol. Its self evident how much you are similar to Chinese, while Chinese are not similar to Vietnamese. No Chinese ever took a Vietnamese name, only Vietnamese takes Chinese names, etc.

China (Ming) adopted gun technology from Vietnam (Dai Viet). Annamese (Vietnamese) was the chief architect that design and built Beijing Forbidden City. And Southern Han Chinese adopted indigneous culture and language from the Bai Yue.



Nguyễn An (Sino-Vietnamese 阮安; died 1453), also known in Chinese as Ruan An (in pinyin)[1] or Juan An[2] (depending on the transliteration system), was a Ming Dynasty eunuch, architect, and hydraulic specialistbetween the first and fifth decades of the 15th century. Born in Vietnam, he was taken as tribute from Vietnam to China and later became a eunuch and architect in service to the Chinese emperors. He, along with numerous architects, such as master designers and planners Cai Xin (蔡信), Chen Gui (陳珪), and Wu Zhong (吳中), master carpenter Kuai Xiang (蒯祥), and master mason Lu Xiang (陸祥), was an important[1]principal designer and a chief builder[3] of the Forbidden City in Beijing.[4]

Under the reign of Zhengtong Emperor, Nguyen An had a major role in the reconstruction of the wall of Beijing.[2][5] He was also a hydraulic specialist, who was involved in at least three hydraulic projects and had a flawless record.[6] He died in 1453.[2]

Nguyễn An - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perpetual Happiness: The Ming Emperor Yongle - Shih-shan Henry Tsai - Google Books




Hồ Nguyên Trừng (chữ Hán: 胡元澄; 1374? – 1446?), or Hu Yuancheng in Chinese, was a Vietnamese scholar, official, and engineer in exile in China. He was the oldest son of Hồ Quý Ly (1336–1407) and older brother of Hồ Hán Thương. Under the pen-name Nam Ông (南翁, Old Man of the South), he wrote theNam Ông mộng lục (Hán tự: 南翁夢錄, literally Dream Memoir of Nam Ông).[1]

Hồ Nguyên Trừng played a role in the Ming-Hồ war where he led the army of Dai Ngu (Hồ dynasty) as well as invented various new types of weapons for Dai Ngu military. He's considered to be an innovator of firearms. His famous inventions including early version of "Eruptor" cannon which later adopted by Ming dynasty and many decked war vessels. After the fall of Hồ dynasty, he was captured by the Ming emperor and forced to teach the Chinese how to cast cannons.

Hồ Nguyên Trừng - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During the Ho dynasty in 1407, the Ming acquired from the Vietnamese a weapon called shen qiang, shen qiang jian or shenji huaqiang, meaning literally "magic fire-lance arrow". It was a fire-lance, but better than its Chinese counterpart due to one unique feature: It had a heavy wooden wad (mu ma zi in Chinese) made of ironwood to increase pressure within the barrel. The arrow could therefore be shot as far as 400 paces. It can be imagined that the Vietnamese employed this indigenous resource to invent the wooden wad in order to increase the range of the fire-lance. This technique was adopted in China for handguns by 1415, as a Ming handgun made in this year had a wooden wad between gunpowder and "bullets", while the handguns prior to this time did not have this salient feature.

Moreover, the igniting device of the handguns made at least from 1410 on was improved in that, instead of a small hole where a fuse was inserted, now a rectangular slot with lid was added on the rear part of the barrel. Thus it became more convenient to ignite the gunpowder in the slot and the lid could prevent the gunpowder and fuse from getting wet in rainy days. It has been positively identified as a Vietnamese invention to counter the tropical climate of Southeast Asia where humidity and long rainy seasons are a part of life.

Upon the order of Yongle Emperor, Vietnamese captives who were good at making firearms such as handguns and cannons (huo chong), short lance (duanqian) and fire-lance (shenjian), and gunpowder were sent to the Chinese capital of Nanjing with many other kinds of craftsmen. Altogether, 28,000 were taken captive to China. This included Ho nguyen Trung ("Li Cheng" in Chinese). The Vietnamese chronicle specifically mentions that in 1407 Nguyen Trung made firearms and warships to combat the invading Chinese. The fact that Nguyen Trung as the "Left Grand Councilor" (zuo xiangguo in Chinese) was skilled in making firearms shows the importance Dai Viet attached to gunpowder technology and the intense competition between Dai Viet and its neighbor, primarily China and Champa. Also interestingly, it was this expertise that changed Nguyen Trung's life in China, as after having captured to Nanjing Nguyen Trung's father's Ho quy Ly and brother Ho han Thuong - two kings of the Ho dynasty - were thrown in jail, but Nguyen Trung was pardoned and allowed to serve in the Ming Ministry of Works due to his skills. He took charge of manufacturing firearms and gunpowder at the weapon manufacturing bureau (Bingzhangju) and was eventually promoted to the Minister of Works. He played a very important role in establishing the Firearms Battalion in Ming China. According to official Chinese account, receiving the order to accompany the Yongle Emperor to attack the Mongols on the north frontier, three Vietnamese including Nguyen Trung set up the Firearms Battalion prior to 1412. At least one of them (other than Nguyen trung) participated in the campaign and died soon afterwards on June 9, 1412.

According to other Chinese records, when the Ming court held a ceremony for the "God of Firearms" they also offered a sacrifice to Ho Nguyen Trung. Upon his death at the age of seventy three, his son replaced him and continued to manufacture firearms for the Ming until he retired aged seventy in 1470. Up to 1489, the descendents of these Vietnamese craftsmen were still in the service of the Ming. In addition to the fire-lance and ignition device, a bow called "Vietnamese bow" (Jiaozhi gong) also spread to Ming China around this time or earlier.

The abovementioned Vietnamese techniques were used widely and had some implication for the Ming military. During the early Hongzhi reign (1488-1505) 30,000 linden and 90,000 sandalwood wooden wads were manufactured. Another kind of hard wood was sent from Vietnam as tribute to the capital for the manufacture of fire-lances. The wooden wad technique was still used even after the arrival of Portuguese firearms in China in the late sixteenth century, as was the new ignition device. The establisment of the Firearms Battalion, to which the Vietnamese contributed both personel and techniques, proved effective and sometimes crucial in Ming China's fighting with the Mongols. In 1414, Yongle and his armies were surrounded by Mongols, it was firearms with Vietnamese technical features that helped the Ming troops break the siege. The effectiveness of the firearms in this event impressed the Koreans, as they recorded it in their veritable record of the Yi (Choson) dynasty.

The Vietnamese fire-lance was also put into good use. Chinese sources specifically state when the Yongle Emperor fought the Mongols, "they just got the fire-lance from Annam; one barbarian (lu) marched straight forward, and two followed; they were all hit by the fire-lance and died." Teng Zhao, the Vice Minister of the Ministry of War during the reign of Chenghua (1465-1487) commented: "We basically rely on the fire-lance to defeat the ennemies and win victories. From Yongle (1403-1424) to Xuangde (1426-1435), the fire-lance was properly drilled and was most feared by the barbarians (luzei, or the Mongols). IN 1449, after the Ming suffered the Tumu debacle, more 28,000 handguns and 440,000 fire lances were collected from the battle scene.

Sources:

Wang Ao, Zhenze jiwen (Notes of Wang Ao), in Shen Yunlong, ed., Ming Qing shiliao huibian, series one, book 3 (Taibei: Wenhai Chubanshe, 1967), vol. 1 15a.

Ming shilu leizuan-junshi shiliao juan (Categorical compilation of the Ming shilu -- the volume of historical sources on military affairs) (Wuhan: Wuhan Chubanshe, 1993), pp. 88-186; Wada Sei, trans. by Pan Shixian, Ming dai Menggu shi lun ji (Collection of essays on the history of the Mongols during the Ming dynasty) (Beijing: Shangwu Yinshuguan, 1984), vol. 1, pp. 66, 68.

Ming shilu, "Xianzong," vol. 168, quoted in Zhang, "Mingdai Jiaozhi ren zai," p. 57.

Qiu Jun, Daxua yanyi bu (Supplements to the Daxue yanyi) (Reprint, 1971), vol 122, pp. 11b-12a; Yan, Shuyu, 183, 243; Hui LU, Ping pi baijin fang (The washerman's precious salve) (Reprint, c. 1844), vol. 4, p. 32b; Zhang Xiumin, "Mingdai Jiaozhi ren zai Zhongguo zhi gongxian" (Contributions by the Vietnamese people in China during the Ming dynasty), in Zhang Xiumin, Zhong Yue guanxi shi lunwenji (Collection of articles on Sino-Vietnamese relations) (Taibei; Wenshizhe Chubanshe, 1992), pp. 55-57.
 
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lol there's a reason why you take our names and you even used our name for you until the 20th century.You never launched expeditionary warfare into China. US was in Vietnam by consent of South Vietnam and never had boots on the ground in the north - all their infantry and tanks were doing, were massacring South Vietnamese civilians.
Still using our names in the 21st century.
 
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Thanks the jungles, thanks the sea, thanks the earth, thanks the sky. And above all, thanks VNese ancestors. Satisfied?
Calm down man.
I am not trolling here.
Absolute force decides the result of war or fight in long term. it contains human resource /weapon/geo conditions etc.
Many countries and nations disappear , they were also brave people . But they failed when they faced much stronger force.

Viet-US war is a perfect illustration.
China supported you with human resource/weapon/food/
SV supported you with SAM etc..
But If you did not have jungle but live in flatlands , you failed .

The jungles helpe you a lot , actually it is the key point, does not it ?
 
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Calm down man.
I am not trolling here.
Absolute force decides the result of war or fight in long term. it contains human resource /weapon/geo conditions etc.
Many countries and nations disappear , they were also brave people . But they failed when they faced much stronger force.

Viet-US war is a perfect illustration.
China supported you with human resource/weapon/food/
SV supported you with SAM etc..
But If you did not have jungle but live in flatlands , you failed .

The jungles helped you a lot , actually it was the key point, does not it ?
I believe in Chinese culture the sky, the earth and the people all contribute differently to the success of everything. Sure the jungle helped, but then against if the people did not have the will and gut to keep fighting against all odds, there wouldn't have been victories. I love this sentence: "Guns don't kill human, human kills human". Advance weapons don't win wars (they help a lot, certainly), people win wars. For every American KIA in VN, 50 Vnese died, only 10 of them are soldiers. Yet we kept on fighting, despite our forest being destroyed, despite our home being burned, despite our backers cutting down the supply, and we won. Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I believe our victory against US was a victory of the people, not a victory of advance weapons or superior resources.
 
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I believe in Chinese culture the sky, the earth and the people all contribute differently to the success of everything. Sure the jungle helped, but then against if the people did not have the will and gut to keep fighting against all odds, there wouldn't have been victories. I love this sentence: "Guns don't kill human, human kills human". Advance weapons don't win wars (they help a lot, certainly), people win wars. For every American KIA in VN, 50 Vnese died, only 10 of them are soldiers. Yet we kept on fighting, despite our forest being destroyed, despite our home being burned, despite our backers cutting down the supply, and we won. Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I believe our victory against US was a victory of the people, not a victory of advance weapons or superior resources.

Viet are brave people. I am not trying to deny that .

But the advantage of number or fighting will can't make up for the disadvantage of quality now.

If China and SV did not give you weapons , Viet would not win, no matter how brave you are with the consideration of your very high killed and wounded ratio compared with US even when you had support from SV and CN.

Sticks or knives can not fight rifle and airplane ,right ?
 
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it is you viet that always tries to mock us by posting deng's pic.

If you do not want us to mock Mr Ho Chi Minh, then stop posting our leader's pictures.

You post a perfect pic . US president did not know how to use chopsticks , we distributed the food among the guests. It is polite. This is our traditional culture.

And it was US president that Came to us first . Keep that in your mind.

as i said ,if you were not satisfied with us since 1954. then say no to our support and ask sovuiet union to help you.But you viets wanted to get money from both sides,you guys played double face.

Shameless viet.


hi monkey ,are you high ?
no 1000 years domination? Your history book was wrote in chinese .remember?. We named you as Vietnam. you cry me a river,stupid monkey.

who played double face here ? your leader invited Nixon to party in Peking in same time US army attacked Vietnam brutally. Chinese traitor shoot up.

Still using our names in the 21st century.

Our King Gia Long disscussed about name of Vietnam with Jia Qing Emperor. He is Manchurian, Han chinese is slave of Manchuria in Qing Dynasty. This matter is not related to you. Han chinese can stop lying here about this.
 
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who played double face here ? your leader invited Nixon to party in Peking in same time US army attacked Vietnam brutally. Chinese traitor shoot up.
It was Viet that started to talk to USA first , not us . Keep that in your mind.

Our King Gia Long disscussed about name of Vietnam with Jia Qing Emperor. He is Manchurian, Han chinese is slave of Manchuria in Qing Dynasty. This matter is not related to you. Han chinese can stop lying here about this.
No matter what , you were named by other nation :omghaha:
 
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It was Viet that started to talk to USA first , not us . Keep that in your mind.

We have right to do it. After Tet 1968 offensive battle, USA begged us to negociation in Paris for withdrawal.

No matter what , you were named by other nation :omghaha:

But Our King Gia Long has rejected, he called our country name as Great Nam Empire.:yahoo:

Later on, Vietnam is called base on our fortune Teller Nguyen Bing Khiem.


Nguyễn Bỉnh Khiêm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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