A Straight Talk with Israel

[zubair_chachar]

First of all I would accept that creation of Pakistan in name of religion was a madness which was the cause of many evils in the region.

Then I will keep on smashing this religious madness, while till the time it exists, nothing good can happen.

Then I will try to defuse the tensions and give the rights of people to them.

Pakistan is military and mullah based country, therefore not much could be expected from it. But India also didn't play the role correctly. India never seriously solved the problem of Kashmir which became almost the main reason of tensions and thus relations between India/Pak never became better.

Similarly, in Israel still occupation of illegal settlements are going on in the name of Greater Israel. There exists no other justification other than this mentality. Similarly, Israel also occupied Jerusalem.

So, creation of Israel was unjust, but sadly even today nothing is done to stop this religious madness. Now Trump is supporting the illegal settlements, which will not lead to love or solving of problems, but certainly lead to hatred and bloody protests by the Palestinians.

People are not loving Israel. But they are hating Bibi and his policies.

Pakistan was created in the name Islam and i am proud of it ...have any trouble ?

In this world i had never see any extremists more then so called atheists and liberals , they are world's most extremists in their mind , they have no space for any others , if you are with them you are human and civilized and if you are not with them you dont have right to consider yourself human , and they bomb you and make sure all people like u must be killed..........this what to day war terrorism is doing all about . they bombed libya destroy a country whose per head is more then any other , the bombed Iraq in the name of democracy and now Iraq is totally destroyed , they bombed Afghanistan u have see .they created ISIS and now bombing innocent Syrians from all around. with all this Israel is all there and is their leader .

 

[t_for_talli]

Neither of them provide a large percentage of troop & training support to Israeli neighbors

Performance of Israeli neighbors in previous wars made the troop and training provider irrelevant

 

[veg]

Pakistan was created in the name Islam and i am proud of it ...have any trouble ?

In this world i had never see any extremists more then so called atheists and liberals , they are world's most extremists in their mind , they have no space for any others , if you are with them you are human and civilized and if you are not with them you dont have right to consider yourself human , and they bomb you and make sure all people like u must be killed..........this what to day war terrorism is doing all about . they bombed libya destroy a country whose per head is more then any other , the bombed Iraq in the name of democracy and now Iraq is totally destroyed , they bombed Afghanistan u have see .they created ISIS and now bombing innocent Syrians from all around. with all this Israel is all there and is their leader .

States in names of religion are recipe for all kind of evils.

Just look at India which is going towards Hindu Religious state, and we see how desperate Indian Muslims are on this situation. Same is true for Pakistan.

Only a Secular state guarantee Equal Rights for all it's citizens. Just look at the Western democracies. You call them extremists, but reality is this that millions of Muslims try their best to go to the Europe.

As compared to internal system of European countries, the external policies are not so much under control. People like Trump is a proof of this. Although it is tried to put checks on external policies too and people do demonstrate against illegal external policies, but desired results have not been achieved yet.

Please also note that Islamic countries are much more violent than western countries when it comes to external policies.

You blame atheism if US attacks Iraq.

But why don't you blame Islam while Saudia was also involved in attacking Iraq?

Are these not the double standards?

Muslim countries don't have enough Military Power or Economic Power. Otherwise Muslim countries are much more danger to the world as compared to the Western world. Just look at your Islamic movements like Taliban, alQaida, ISIS, al-Nusra or any Jihadi organization. You put the wrong doings of people like Trump upon Atheism, but why don't you blame Islam for the wrong doings of ISIS, Taliban, alQaida?

 

[Gothic]

it is lame and ignorant to think by appealing to the common grounds between jews and muslims , they (jews) will have mercy on us . they are bloodthirsty parasites .

 

[zubair_chachar]

States in names of religion are recipe for all kind of evils.

Just look at India which is going towards Hindu Religious state, and we see how desperate Indian Muslims are on this situation. Same is true for Pakistan.

Only a Secular state guarantee Equal Rights for all it's citizens. Just look at the Western democracies. You call them extremists, but reality is this that millions of Muslims try their best to go to the Europe.

As compared to internal system of European countries, the external policies are not so much under control. People like Trump is a proof of this. Although it is tried to put checks on external policies too and people do demonstrate against illegal external policies, but desired results have not been achieved yet.

Please also note that Islamic countries are much more violent than western countries when it comes to external policies.

You blame atheism if US attacks Iraq.

But why don't you blame Islam while Saudia was also involved in attacking Iraq?

Are these not the double standards?

Muslim countries don't have enough Military Power or Economic Power. Otherwise Muslim countries are much more danger to the world as compared to the Western world. Just look at your Islamic movements like Taliban, alQaida, ISIS, al-Nusra or any Jihadi organization. You put the wrong doings of people like Trump upon Atheism, but why don't you blame Islam for the wrong doings of ISIS, Taliban, alQaida?

Islam is itself a secular religion it guarantees other people to live in peace ...(Jews were live more peacefully under Islamic umpires then today's Isreal )

if Indian Hindus doing something wrong with Muslims and Kashmir then why sooo called UN its human right agencies and soo called secular liberal western world quite on the issue infact they are supporting modi and his extremists.

western countries may be best for living but still they are still extremist in their nature

I dont blame Trump for attacks in fact trump was not president when these countries were totally destroyed.

ISIS , Taleban , Alqaida , alnusra etc were all created by US and they were heroes of 70s and 80s for US and its secular allies but now hypocritically they are all forgotten.

When Islam takes on world inshallah you will see peace again like was before when islam was in power.

 

[flamer84]

Islam is itself a secular religion it guarantees other people to live in peace ...(Jews were live more peacefully under Islamic umpires then today's Isreal )

if Indian Hindus doing something wrong with Muslims and Kashmir then why sooo called UN its human right agencies and soo called secular liberal western world quite on the issue infact they are supporting modi and his extremists.

western countries may be best for living but still they are still extremist in their nature

I dont blame Trump for attacks in fact trump was not president when these countries were totally destroyed.

ISIS , Taleban , Alqaida , alnusra etc were all created by US and they were heroes of 70s and 80s for US and its secular allies but now hypocritically they are all forgotten.

When Islam takes on world inshallah you will see peace again like was before when islam was in power.

There was never peace in Islam, be it muslim infighting immediately after the death of the Prophet or constant wars with other cultures. Ofcourse, this is true for every other human civilisation.

 

[EpiiC]

There was never peace in Islam, be it muslim infighting immediately after the death of the Prophet or constant wars with other cultures. Of course, this is true for every other human civilisation.

The Islamic countries need to get rid of blasphemy laws, decapitation, stoning to death, honor killings, add freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of press, remove the guardian ship rule and so much more..... UAE is more tolerant than other Islamic countries but still you hear some religions bs.

 

[500]

Whats the purpose of this article? That Israel is bad because its doing business with India?

 

[flamer84]

The Islamic countries need to get rid of blasphemy laws, decapitation, stoning to death, honor killings, add freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of press, remove the guardian ship rule and so much more..... UAE is more tolerant than other Islamic countries but still you hear some religions bs.

There's a lot of BS in the UAE to.A Romanian female tourist was just jailed for a month and deported for having consensual sex with another Romanian on a yacht,without being married.

 

[EpiiC]

There's a lot of BS in the UAE to.A Romanian female tourist was just jailed for a month and deported for having consensual sex with another Romanian on a yacht,without being married.

Bad for their tourism sector, I would even go even more secular to promote and get rid of this bs, they are much better than their friends in the region though, the other countries completely intolerant and backwards....

 

[EpiiC]

States in names of religion are recipe for all kind of evils.

Just look at India which is going towards Hindu Religious state, and we see how desperate Indian Muslims are on this situation. Same is true for Pakistan.

Only a Secular state guarantee Equal Rights for all it's citizens. Just look at the Western democracies. You call them extremists, but reality is this that millions of Muslims try their best to go to the Europe.

As compared to internal system of European countries, the external policies are not so much under control. People like Trump is a proof of this. Although it is tried to put checks on external policies too and people do demonstrate against illegal external policies, but desired results have not been achieved yet.

Please also note that Islamic countries are much more violent than western countries when it comes to external policies.

You blame atheism if US attacks Iraq.

But why don't you blame Islam while Saudia was also involved in attacking Iraq?

Are these not the double standards?

Muslim countries don't have enough Military Power or Economic Power. Otherwise Muslim countries are much more danger to the world as compared to the Western world. Just look at your Islamic movements like Taliban, alQaida, ISIS, al-Nusra or any Jihadi organization. You put the wrong doings of people like Trump upon Atheism, but why don't you blame Islam for the wrong doings of ISIS, Taliban, alQaida?

You hit the bulls-eye here mate, why can't Islamic countries be tolerant, many can't take criticism and go on the defensive rather than improve..... Its 2017 and no freedom of religion or press, and many other, Islamic countries are way too intolerant and this fills me with this despair.

 

[mrrehan]

He talk a lot of reasons for Pakistan to establish relationships with the state of Israel alright yet I fail to see a particularly good reason for Israel to do the same, what do we have to gain from Pakistan that I can't see?

 

[fitpOsitive]

Does ISI have a cell dedicated towards Israel ?
There should be a dedicated cell in ISI,which should be tasked to checkmate Israel in its effots against Pakistan.

Desk.

By | Atta Rasool Malik

In the line of prophets Hazrat Yaqub (Arabic), Yakov (Hebrew), Jacob (English) is the most prominent patriarch of Jews after Hazrat Ibrahim, (Abraham). The state of Israel was named after Hazrat Yaqub whose title was Israel. Jews look upon prophets of God as their forefathers/ancestors rather than perfect spiritual leaders/models. Quran also call upon Jews as Bani Israel; Children of Israel or Children of Hazrat Yaqub. Politics apart, Jews are monotheists and Judaism is closest religion to Islam after newly developed Ahmediya religion. Furthermore, Jews are not non-believers rather have a special status in Islam called ‘The People of Book’.

Pakistan and Israel are two states whose concept of nationhood rests on religious ideology. However, despite striking similarities in many ways, both states do not have diplomatic relations. Till date Pakistan does not recognize Israel as legitimate party to the conflict in Palestine. Initially, it was due to moral support to over confident Arabs which were then determined to erase Israel from World’s map and in later years Israel’s dogmatic policies and inhuman treatment of Palestinians prevented normal diplomatic relations. Arabs did not succeed in their war aim due to determination of Bani Israel and massive support of United States. Arabs put up very good fight during Arab-Israel War of 1973, but political outcome was stalemate due to Americans diplomatic and military involvement. Then Arabs in particular and Muslim world in general realized that Israel is a reality in the Middle East. Pakistan also realized the fact that Israel is important country.

Premier Secret Service of Pakistan (ISI) and Israel (MOSSAD) had developed good working relations during Afghan War (1979-1988). At numerous occasions, particularly after year 1995, Pakistan appreciated importance of working relations with Israel due to colossal manipulating and lobbying power of Israel and its control over International Media and financial Institutions. However, despite this realization Pakistan did not recognise Israel due to frequent brutal ill treatment of Palestinians. Common people of Pakistan had highly negative image of State of Israel and no politician and military ruler was ready to confront public anger.

It was widely believed that during Gen Musharaf era, Pakistan and Israel established informal contacts and later even foreign ministers of the two countries met in Turkey in 2005. Israel and Pakistan agreed to draw certain red lines to overcome deep seated suspicions and to prevent breakout of hostilities, through good offices of Turkey. Israel assured that it had no problem with Pakistan’s nuclear bombs if her nuclear and missile technology was not proliferated to Middle East and no militant group against Israel was encouraged or facilitated. In return Israel agreed not to support India in any form; assistance in espionage and sabotage, anti-Pakistan lobbying and provision of sensitive military technology and equipment. However, routine sale of weapons to India by Israel was understandable. Relation/equation generally worked very well and threshold was not crossed by either party.

In the recent years, Israel has gone over confident /embolden as the Arabs were in 1950s. No doubt Israel has achieved few spectacular successes in Middle East. Israel has defeated many of its opponents. Libya and Iraq; the supporters of Palestinian victims have been decisively defeated. Syria, The claimant of Golan Heights is in a miserable state and its infrastructure totally demolished. Saudi Arabia due to its erratic policies is entangled in Yemen and now with Qatar. Americans on behest of Israel have introduced “Real democracy” in Egypt under “Field Marshal” Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. Israel has achieved all this through her traditional and well known techniques i.e. Intrigues, sabotage, subversion and above all by exploiting stupidities of Muslim rulers of Middle East. Now Israel is celebrating the occupation of Palestine, Benjamin Netanyahu, boasting and patting his own back. Israel has rapidly started crushing Palestinian movement. Expansion of Jewish settlements in on the rise. More recently the young Muslims are barred from praying in Al-aqsa Mosque.

Israel has no legitimate interest in the neighbourhood of Pakistan but reassured and comforted Israel is reaching out to Pakistan’s neighbourhood. Israel’s MOSSAD footprint in Afghanistan is clearly visible. Its relationship with ISIS is well identified. Israel policy of creating friction amongst Muslim countries has long history and it continues till day with full vigour. Israeli efforts to create sectarian divide between Sunni and Shia Muslim are known to local leaders in many Muslim countries/communities.

Jews love for ‘golden calf’ is well documented in Torah and it is no surprise for Pakistani Muslims in fondness of Israel for India. Israeli Zionists are getting close to BJP, fanatic idol worshippers of India. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu along with his entire cabinet went to Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion airport to receive Modi in a rare gesture previously reserved for US presidents. India has hired Israeli firms to defame Pakistan. A day ahead of Modi’s visit, a senior official from the Israeli foreign ministry said his country stands with India against terrorism emanating from Pakistan and was not asking for a quid pro quo. Statement was clear departure of established Israeli foreign policy. Israeli and Indian lobbies have started working together against Pakistan.

Israel relationship with India is not benign. Israel is providing sensitive military equipment and drones to India. Israel is helping India to inflict decisive blows to Kashmiri freedom fighters and create trouble in Afghanistan. Israel is punching beyond its weight.

It is time to talk straight to Israel. Israel is a legitimate party to the conflict in the Middle East but its illegitimate efforts to weaken Pakistan must be checked through offensive measures.

Author has good understanding of state of Israel and Judaism. He holds an M.Phil degree in International Relations from National Defence University, Islamabad. He can be reached at attarasul@hotmail.com

My views are as follows:

1) In Jews, now very few are real "Bani Israel", about 99.7 are white, European Khazaris(or converted Jews), who are not technically Jews, rather a gang of looters.
2) Israel is providing all help to India just to counter Pakistan, just the same way as Banu Nazir of Madinah helped Hindus of Quresh 1400 years ago. I think we should provide full scale help to all enemies of the state of Israel. Israelis will begin to talk when something will really begin to burn.
3) I think we should tell Israel's daddy, USA, that the biggest enemy of yours and dollar is Israel, as Israel is the power house of "Crypto-currency". Israel has set the chess of middle east, so that at first Arabs get destroyed through international powers, and then these powers get destroyed through atomic war.
4) Israel is after all oil of middle east. After that the dealers of international oil will not be "foolish" arabs, rather than .......!
5) Some other countries should also note that what will happen when you don't pay Israeli defense sector enough? So ultimately where are these so called friends are leading to.

 

[Beny Karachun]

1) In Jews, now very few are real "Bani Israel", about 99.7 are white, European Khazaris(or converted Jews), who are not technically Jews, rather a gang of looters.
2) Israel is providing all help to India just to counter Pakistan, just the same way as Banu Nazir of Madinah helped Hindus of Quresh 1400 years ago. I think we should provide full scale help to all enemies of the state of Israel. Israelis will begin to talk when something will really begin to burn.
3) I think we should tell Israel's daddy, USA, that the biggest enemy of yours and dollar is Israel, as Israel is the power house of "Crypto-currency". Israel has set the chess of middle east, so that at first Arabs get destroyed through international powers, and then these powers get destroyed through atomic war.
4) Israel is after all oil of middle east. After that the dealers of international oil will not be "foolish" arabs, rather than .......!
5) Some other countries should also note that what will happen when you don't pay Israeli defense sector enough? So ultimately where are these so called friends are leading to.

1) It's called adaptability

2) Got a problem with that?

3) We can beat you without the help of our "daddy", yes we are really a powerhouse of Crypto-currencies which are the future of economics (They are based on deinflation rather than inflation, and cannot be randomly printed, unlike Dollars), we don't need anyone's help to do such thing, and atomic wars? what?

4) We would rather invest in other types of energy such as solar rather than oil.

5)What?

 

[DjSnake]

I doubt Israelis "despise" Pakistan at all; it's even more likely Pakistan doesn't often register in most Israelis minds. Thing is, not only have Pakistani students been forbidden to portray Israel in a positive light, the instructions to Pakistani educators are to "forestall" the possibility, so lies to slander Zionists are permitted.

So whatever negative thing you've learned about Israel from a Pakistani, in a Pakistani school, or in a Pakistani mosque, you can have absolutely no confidence in. Therefore if you repeat such negative stuff then you're agreeing to act as a tool of someone else's judgment: you are not speaking with a moral voice of your own, so it has little value compared to the voice of someone who has arrived at judgment freely. If you want to change that you have to fight for greater freedom of speech and dissent in Pakistan.

I actually met many Israelis during university. Two of them I'm still friends with, they're far left ones who don't judge others by religion or ethnicity, the humanist kind. Almost all dislike Pakistan and they straight up told me because apparently we're all "Muslim fanatic terrorists".

I'm all for making friends and establishing ties with EVERY nation, but if you've already made up your mind before even knowing or acknowledging us, you're not worth my time.