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You mean the failed skirmish haha! By the way get your facts straight, its legally occupied. Time will come when we will take it back! Any facts put forward to you and then you duck your head in the sand like an ostrich. Its next to impossible reasoning with you people. Oblivious people find their way fate the hard way and no matter how many times history repeats itself there is no lessons learnt.
I have a more confidence in communicating and getting consensus with an anther alien life form, rather than reasoning with Pakistani's
There will be no compromise on Kashmir, each and every inch should be retrieved back! even if it meant war to settle all scores!
Enough is enough, sometimes surgery is required to remove the cancer!
Perhaps, are you aware of Baloch Plight now you will be deaf !
And it is coming like a slap!
Another One !
No you will not get Kashmir back, the future of Pakistani Kashmir is clearly to remain as a part of Pakistan, and the future of Indian Kashmir is clearly to become independent in some way shape or form. If you want to try and take Pakistani Kashmir, be my guest and watch what happens.
hahah good joke, keep beating your chest aint going to Happen.
It will, just wait.
It's been almost 70 years since the dispute started. I think it's time to let it go and accept LOC as international border.These things take time, please be patient.
It's been almost 70 years since the dispute started. I think it's time to let it go and accept LOC as international border.
its a matter of perspectives maam.
since JnK is inside india's borders, so we shall forget Pakistan for a brief period of time.
now, any self respecting indian would not accept further division of our country. security, nationalism, or blatant ego. take ur pick.
but nationalism or ego cant be put above the well being of the general populace. unfortunately, security is a different ball game. now u will question, what kind of security risk we Indians have if we free Kashmir from the "ruthless clutches of India".
-- I ll answer geo strategic perspective vis a vis the honeymoon b/w china and Pakistan. we cannot give them free real estate on the platter. Pakistan cannot be trusted after what it did in Kargil ( don't bring siachen, as siachen was no man's land, but kargil was not).
--second reason being water. enuf said.
but is it morally correct to let a whole population suffer because majority of the country's ppl think that security is at stake ? for politicians , maybe yes. but for an ordinary person, its a big no. I believe we fight together , we die together. no putting forward a few to death to save many from some undesirable consequence.
so, what needs to be done ?
----immediate withdrawal of AFSPA.
----abolish article 370, even if the whole valley changes to stoneland.
----withdraw every security personnel (except police ) from the cities /towns/villages and put them on the border, so that Indians cant complain its the Pakistanis messing it up.
---- initiate large scale projects on education and industrialization on the same order.
---- when situation normalizes, both parts of Kashmir can be connected in various points (but that's at least one decade away, if the above steps are implemented at their timeframe.).
kashmiris are heartbroken, but they are not brainless idiots. if they need handholding, so be it. but priority will always be for the greater players here. states can play second fiddle. and Kashmir is not a player here, its a state.
For the bold part, why a section of the Kashmiri population 'suffering'? What they want? You cannot ignore the religious aspect of the whole problem, and can you morally agree to that? The religious minority population of J&K are Indians too, and the secular constitution of India has a responsibility to protect them also. What do you think will happen to them if we give 'freedom' to J&K or allow it to merge with Pakistan? Let's not live in denial that the problem is not religious, let's not live in denial that the religious minorities of J&K will be safe in an Islamic State of J&K or Pakistan, history shows us that they will end up as refugees in India, homeless, penniless, and devastated. There are many other implications of such a decision, how would you morally prevent the VHP and Bajrang Dals of the world from claiming a Hindu India, how would you morally defend the integrity of your country against other separatists after setting a precedence and giving them a 'successful' model of separation? @Joe Shearer @hellfire @PARIKRAMA since everybody is opening threads on it, maybe I should also open a thread with a detailed write up on it, as I see it.
@Rain Man The problem with threads, which I realised with Chidambaram's statement the last time, is the tendency to get bogged down in past, defending/deploring actions of past. The baggage becomes heavy as it is rare to see people accept the past as is and move ahead.
It is an antithetical situation which we are in. Eloquently put in words by you above and @PARIKRAMA the other day; No politician on either side cares and it suits them to let the issue fester; the well being of en entire people who are citizens of India, whether they like it or not, be damned!
You should write up and start a thread. Pen your thoughts. Move from 2016 ahead. Am sure @PARIKRAMA and @Joe Shearer will be indulgent enough to chip in. Lets, for once, move ahead and not analyse retrospectively.
Very good input.
Start with today, here it is, a province of India in unrest. What can we do? What should we do? Conversely, what cannot we do? What should not we do?
For the bold part, why a section of the Kashmiri population 'suffering'? What they want? You cannot ignore the religious aspect of the whole problem, and can you morally agree to that? The religious minority population of J&K are Indians too, and the secular constitution of India has a responsibility to protect them also. What do you think will happen to them if we give 'freedom' to J&K or allow it to merge with Pakistan? Let's not live in denial that the problem is not religious, let's not live in denial that the religious minorities of J&K will be safe in an Islamic State of J&K or Pakistan, history shows us that they will end up as refugees in India, homeless, penniless, and devastated. There are many other implications of such a decision, how would you morally prevent the VHP and Bajrang Dals of the world from claiming a Hindu India, how would you morally defend the integrity of your country against other separatists after setting a precedence and giving them a 'successful' model of separation? @Joe Shearer @hellfire @PARIKRAMA since everybody is opening threads on it, maybe I should also open a thread with a detailed write up on it, as I see it.