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A Soldier’s Eid

Let's not divert this thread into a vs one folks.

Everyone has his/her set role in a society, be it soldier, teacher, doctor or even a Tandoor wala. Everyone contributes in a set way to the society and country.
 
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Let's not divert this thread into a vs one folks.

Everyone has his/her set role in a society, be it soldier, teacher, doctor or even a Tandoor wala. Everyone contributes in a set way to the society and country.

Exactly correct.

And also why to claim that soldiers are somehow superior because of their job is wrong. After all, being a soldier is another job that serves the nation, just like other jobs do too.
 
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That's why soldiers are superior to civilians, for their duty, devotion, hardship and endless sacrifices. Salutes to all of them and best wishes.


This part is quite disturbing, hope that the things got mutually resolved over here.


Let's start with Civilians. Starting with Peshawar BDS Hakim khan and entire team of officials working there. DIG Safwat Ghayyaur lead his men from front and died while leading his man from front. DSP died in a suicide blast in Peshawar while he was inspecting Imam barha security. Then Intelligence Bureau low level officials. Special branch and the list goes on!
 
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what a beautiful thread, but fitay moun at some comment... #Lanat hai !!
 
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I would agree to a certain extent but the difference is, say, a doctor saves lives while their is seldom any risk to his own, where as a soldier puts his own life on line for the sake of others. !!!

^^ As one Molecular Microbiologist who was once part of PDF said, 'we too risk our lives when we experiment with dangerous bacterium, and hence the soldiers deserve no special treatment.'

However, on a serious note i must say that this superiority/inferiority complex is just a figment of some minds and as of today no soldier gives any consideration to the same and thus we should curb such tendencies. Nevertheless, at the same time though VCheng is right in saying that "Duty, devotion, hardship and sacrifice are NOT exclusive to soldiers", i think i wouldnt be wrong either if i say duty, devotion, hardship and sacrifice sure is 'specific' to those in the profession of arms.
 
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Right about then I was reminded of my days in Special Services Group (SSG). Life was tougher and more unpredictable back then. I remembered the day General Headquarters (GHQ) was attacked.


Xeric isn't it bit fair that a SSG-ZARRAR company soldier when transferred back in to regular infantry is assigned such petty jobs of sentry and what other regular soldiers do. Why waste his skills that he learned during his SSG stint?

Isn't it possible if this soldier is assigned as a junior instructor or weapon specialist or special warfare specialist designation and he acts as a instructor by improving other regular soldier skills?
 
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What are the chances of that in comparison to the tragedy we had at Siachin .....without a single bullet fired in anger.....and that's not a one off incident. !!

Are we seriously going to talk about natural calamities now? Remember 2005 earthquakes? 79000 casualities.
 
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BTW if Military Intelligence is observing your online activity and let's suppose if you got in to Phadda of some sort in future then i guess as a punishment, they would recommend your superiors to transfer you to ISPR desk job ;)
 
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Every respect for the soldiers!! :pakistan:

None for the leaders! :angry:
 
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^^ As one Molecular Microbiologist who was once part of PDF said, 'we too risk our lives when we experiment with dangerous bacterium, and hence the soldiers deserve no special treatment.'

However, on a serious note i must say that this superiority/inferiority complex is just a figment of some minds and as of today no soldier gives any consideration to the same and thus we should curb such tendencies. Nevertheless, at the same time though VCheng is right in saying that "Duty, devotion, hardship and sacrifice are NOT exclusive to soldiers", i think i wouldnt be wrong either if i say duty, devotion, hardship and sacrifice sure is 'specific' to those in the profession of arms.


Not necessary, Xeric. I would say the same for those pilots who recover their aircrafts and land in emergency situations with civilian passengers on board. Or for example those Engineers manning the nuclear plants. Those who went in to save a bigger disaster at Fukushima or Chernobyl. Those firefighters who went in knowing they won't survive. Or those FDNY and NYPD officers who went in the WTC and never came back. I have equal respect for all of these men. Take it easy bro, i respect your valor as a professional, but everyone has an important role to play in society.
 
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Though i tried to refrain from participating in this thread, especially when it was sent on a tangent totally irreverent to the thread, but as you guys have started it, i think i do have a right to add something:
Ever heard of the risks of exposure to HIV, hepatitis, etc. etc.?

Try resuscitating one of these patients and then tell me what you think.
On an average, how many doctors/nurses die or get paralyzed from dealing with such diseases? As compared to a uniformed personnel (including those standing as gatekeepers and chowkidars) who are at risk even when they are sleeping, eating, traveling even when they are on leave.
Actually, the chances of exposure of the dedicated staff to a deadly disease in a major hospital in Pakistan are FAR higher than that of an avalanche in the northern areas.

I suspect that the chances of a guard guarding a bank in Karachi these days being shot at are higher than being at a border post, but I am not sure.
How can the risk be greater when one is supposed to use protective gear as part of his profession/duty (masks, gloves, controlled environment etc) ofcourse if one fails to take necessary protective measures, it is the individual or at the max the organization he works for that can be blamed for either being negligent if it's an individual or in case of the organization, failure to enforce stricter rules due to shortage of funds or whatever.

Whereas, you want to compare them to those for whom things such as protective gear, prevention or even strict SOPs have no meaning and thus cannot guarantee their safety.

Though i agree that an epidemic might be more lethal than war, but hey, are we going to compare viruses that can affect an handful men/women (what would be the max number of people who are actually involved in dealing with such dangerous things at any point of time the world over?) with millions who stand in the line of fire 24/7 every time they move from point A to B to fetch a bucket of water (mines/IED threat), move in a convoy, stand guard at a post, sleep in their tents, and now a days even their homes, form a gathering even though it was for a casual talk?

Here, let me give you an example, when i was at Siachen, the second post i got sent to lay on a very sharp gradient of the mountain. Every time one of us had to use the so called bathroom, we had to repel a rope (if you know what i mean, with the D rings tied to you and stuff) and then make a sprint just before entering the jerry can walled bathroom because the indian sniper effectively covered a 6-feet-wide gap (as viewed from the enemy's side) which existed between the gully and the bathroom because of the configuration of the ground and finally, if you were successful in crossing the Pul-e-Siraat and dodging a sniper's bullet, you had to empty your balder while standing on slippery as hell ice (not snow) floor while you held/tied a rope on one of your arms, because there was no commode but a hole dug in the ice through which your crown jewels either from your balder or bowels dropped down in the abyss that ended at the foothills of the mountain you were occupying - a little slip and the next thing you would see after a fall of approx 400 feet was your head drowning inside your own shyt at the base of the mountain - that is, if you are still alive when you fall down from 400 feet.

Seriously, you guys want to compare these condition with a guy clad in a lab court, wearing a gas mask and hand covered in gloves which are working behind a barrier of glass?

No sir, i dont think so.

Exactly correct.

And also why to claim that soldiers are somehow superior because of their job is wrong. After all, being a soldier is another job that serves the nation, just like other jobs do too.

NO ONE IS SUPERIOR TO ANYONE!!!!

Everyone has its own job to dwell upon. Some have it by choice, others have them enforced upon them because of circumstances. A guy cleaning windows over a sky scrapper is also at risk, and so is the one who changes your light bulbs when they blow up, but for someone who despite of having a choice to join a profession that was more stable, predictable and easy, decides to wear a uniform knowing fully well that just after 2 years (of training), he will be landing in a war zone (FATAville) and might get killed, i think he deserves a little respect, no?

Let's start with Civilians. Starting with Peshawar BDS Hakim khan and entire team of officials working there. DIG Safwat Ghayyaur lead his men from front and died while leading his man from front. DSP died in a suicide in Peshawar while he was inspecting Imam barha security. Then Intelligence Bureau low level officials. Special branch and the list goes on!
Ok, thankyou mafiya for bringing this up.

i apologize from my readers as even though i wanted to honor every men and women who adorns a uniform (Police, FC, Rangers etc) in my article, i just couldnt do it because of the limitation of space and the bounds of the topic.

Why do you think i added about this Police chap who was patrolling till 4 in the morning alongwith his DSP and was still made to guard the mosque, even though Mr Fazal Mehmood had been spared at 0200 hours?

Who do you think was at loss here, the Police chap who was up all night or the Army soldier who atleast was able to sleep for 2 hours?

The aim was to remember these unsung heroes that include but are not limited to our Police Force, doctors/NGOs who work inside hostile territory, those public transport guards who stand in Daewoo buses in an ever worsening law and order situation, those traffic Police walas who stand wearing a stupid mask and still smokes all that shytty exhaust coming from the vehicles, those bus drivers who safely transport people through KKH and those bank guards who gets robbed every day.

But as i mentioned that it was not possible for me to includes all of their stories in my piece, i sincerely hope you guys will forgive me.
 
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Xeric isn't it bit fair that a SSG-ZARRAR company soldier when transferred back in to regular infantry is assigned such petty jobs of sentry and what other regular soldiers do. Why waste his skills that he learned during his SSG stint?

Isn't it possible if this soldier is assigned as a junior instructor or weapon specialist or special warfare specialist designation and he acts as a instructor by improving other regular soldier skills?
Thanks for pointing this out.

That's natural.

You stay in the SSG till the time you are fit as per their standards. Those who become unfit due various injuries or medical issues are ultimately transferred back to the regular units. Normally, if a guy from Ordnance or Supply Corps joins SSG, if he gets unfit, he wont be sent back to his unit rather his arm would be changed to infantry as a guy who has once been a commando has nothing much to do in Services Corps. However, as Fazal was a sepoy (i deliberately omitted the reasons leading to his return to his unit) he has to perform the normal duties of that rank, we dont unnecessarily favor or burden a soldier in the Army, after all it is not political party running a country - everyone has to do his job without distinction.

However, we are cognizant of the fact that a former commando is an asset to any regular unit and thus is utilized accordingly i.e. as you pointed out on instructor duties, protective details when senior officers visit etc. Moreover, they are not given jobs like white washing of walls, watering of plants or cleaning of vehicles, but then sentry duty is the bread and butter of every soldier, because anywhere a unit is whether in peace or war, every important venue (Offices to weapon Kotes, vehicle parks to ammunition bunkers) are guarded whether there is a threat or not - that's a normal routine all over the Army. Every gate would be manned, every nook would be watched, and if so, men have to be made available from within the unit even though they might already have had enough during the day. Police or chowkidars wont do it for us and hence almost every soldier irrespective of his trade has to perform sentry duty.
 
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