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A Soldier Reviews ‘Haider’ movie

No they do not. There are racist slurs which can get you docked in a lot of these countries. In Denmark you cannot disparage the Queen. So no, there is no absolute freedom of expression.

Plus it is funny you are comparing India with its many many subnationalities with puny ethnoliguistic homogeneous countries like those European states you mention.

LOL. No British would not censor Jalianawala Bagh massacre because they believe it was their right to do so. But they refuse to accept ownership of the Bengal Famines and those millions of deaths and have you seen movies being made of those famines? Also you have no idea of the amount of self censorship which goes on in Britain at every level.

America is not threatened by factions or insurgencies. It does not have a 200 million muslim population with a 1000 year history of conflict with the whites. Nor is it surrounded by hostile states every willing to take advantage of its fault lines.

Every single of your example shows how out of touch with India you are and all your comparison are invalid.

India is wracked by separatism. It went to such a level that MMS and his coterie had decided to make boundaries in Kashmir irrelevant. They wanted to step back from Siachen. Give up on Sir Creek. This was the state level thinking because there are Indians who do not respect the territorial integrity of this country and they are found at every level of the state as well as out of it.

Now add to that a huge section of Muslims who already feel alienated and this sense of alienation just keeps growing with every such story being told about them.

LOL - I've lived in Denmark for a reasonable amount of time and know you can disparage the Queen who is often mocked. It is funny that you are actually comparing archaic laws to laws which are enforced.

LOL - as far as Jallianwala Bagh is concerned. You think they are proud of that act? Have you seen the movie? Hahaha

Of course racism is a crime. Holding racist views is not a crime. There is a big difference between the two.

I am also comparing India to USA - which is big enough for comparison and yes, it has sizable minorities who have been in conflict with Whites - African Americans, Asian Americans and even Latin Americans. Of course it is not a 1000 year old history because the country is merely a few hundred years old. By your logic, no country except perhaps China should be compared to India. Thus, are you clamoring for a Communist state?

Every point of yours shows how out of touch you are with the idea of India as a nation and as a civilization.
 
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LOL - I've lived in Denmark for a reasonable amount of time and know you can disparage the Queen who is often mocked. It is funny that you are actually comparing archaic laws to laws which are enforced.

LOL - as far as Jallianwala Bagh is concerned. You think they are proud of that act? Have you seen the movie? Hahaha

Of course racism is a crime. Holding racist views is not a crime. There is a big difference between the two.

I am also comparing India to USA - which is big enough for comparison and yes, it has sizable minorities who have been in conflict with Whites - African Americans, Asian Americans and even Latin Americans. Of course it is not a 1000 year old history because the country is merely a few hundred years old. By your logic, no country except perhaps China should be compared to India. Thus, are you clamoring for a Communist state?

Every point of yours shows how out of touch you are with the idea of India as a nation and as a civilization.

Are those archaic laws enforceable or not? Laws are laws, you cannot claim one set of rules for India and another set of rules for them. By the same token, India's archaic laws holds homosexuality a crime, but it is not enforced, but I never see liberals like you arguing that to be okay.

Yes, Jalianawala Bagh pales in comparison to the other atrocities they committed or in comparison to Nazi Germany, so while they may not be proud of Jalianawala Bagh they can take consolation in the fact that it was a crime of lesser magnitude as compared to what others were doing. Now bring in Bengal famines and other such events and their monstrosity assumes greater proportion than Hitler himself and that would not be tolerable to them.

Racist slurs of their own do not cause any harm to anyone and comes in the ambit of freedom of expression, but they find it unacceptable and as such have deemed it a crime. Likewise in India, outraging religious sentiments and being party to instigating separatism is a crime.

Your comparison of India to USA shows you lack even a modicum of common sense. Neither African Americans nor Asian Americans or Latin Americans have a background of religious persecution or separatist tendencies to them. Tell me about an insurgency you see ongoing in USA. If anything it is the majority whites with a deeply entrenched racist inclination who control all levers of powers. Communist China is far far more homogeneous than India is and in many ways more practical and pragmatic which shows its has its priorities right unlike foolish Indians who consider themselves brown sahibs and are a lot of hot air and talk in esoteric terms rather than be aware of the ground situation of their country.

Neither do you know the civilizational value of India nor are you aware of it as a nation. All you want is to transplant Western values on a country not built in the Western mold.
 
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Download the movie in not so legal ways and watch it. (Like we always do :D )

I did. Will post a review this weekend. A review finale if you say so. Till then both sides - keep burning. :devil:
 
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The extremists were anyway going to watch those movies. It had the appropriate title to attract them. Plus everyone knows or watches the latest movies in India. When the nationalists called for boycotting their objective was to hit the movie makers where it hurts. Their pockets. Even if there is a 10% reduction in viewship, it would have affected their business. It would also have been a legitimate form of protest against antinational jhollawallah media men.

saheli ( or indrani ), your "indian nationalist government" has just signed a 30 billion dollar loan-and-assistance agreement with the "jhollawallah brigade" of the people's republic of china... india has again come back to how it existed until 1995... on loans and charity given by even small nations like japan.

please go to modi and protest... and please go to another planet and create your "bharat varsh"... launch yourself on some fantasy gslv-mark-87 rocket from isro... i don't want you and your nationalists here... those 69 people died of hunger in that darjeeling tea plantation because you nationalists gave their food to dogs and religious idols... but if you wish to live in this world, live so with respect to all of humanity and to the idea of justice and progress and a communist world.

salaams...
viva socialism... salute to the green flag... bullet to the orange flag...
 
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So are you afraid Indians will see it and immediately believe it? People have brains and they can decide for themselves. The ones who are against this movie are the insecure ones who do not believe Indians will support India.

Additionally, by creating this racket, you are instigating a Streisand effect:
Streisand effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The extremists who would have otherwise ignored this movie will now be tempted to see it and take inspiration.

LOL. If people had brains and could decide for themselves then Tendulkar will not be telling us "Boost is the secret of his energy". :lol:

You are actually discounting the ENTIRE Advertising industry. Not to mention relevance of Public relations and propaganda.

Terrorists (how secular of you to name them "extremists") do not need to watch movie to remain terrorists, the movie target audience is the rest of the people of India.
 
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saheli ( or indrani ), your "indian nationalist government" has just signed a 30 billion dollar loan-and-assistance agreement with the "jhollawallah brigade" of the people's republic of china... india has again come back to how it existed until 1995... on loans and charity given by even small nations like japan.

please go to modi and protest... and please go to another planet and create your "bharat varsh"... launch yourself on some fantasy gslv-mark-87 rocket from isro... i don't want you and your nationalists here... those 69 people died of hunger in that darjeeling tea plantation because you nationalists gave their food to dogs and religious idols... but if you wish to live in this world, live so with respect to all of humanity and to the idea of justice and progress and a communist world.

salaams...
viva socialism... salute to the green flag... bullet to the orange flag...

LOL. In which parallel universe is a "loan" a "charity" ? :lol:

A "loan" is a business transaction which attempts to create a win win situation. I would rather go to Modi Govt. and Celebrate this signing of agreements.

If the choice of giving food is between a dog and someone like you, the dog will always be the first choice. Funny to see a bigot like you preaching about "respect". You need to preach your message of "rest to all of humanity" to your religious leaders. :lol:

Slavery in Islam: To have and to hold | The Economist

THE holy book is clear about what to do when you capture a city: “Put to the sword all the men in it”. As for the women and children, “You may take these as plunder for yourselves.” This is pretty much the advice that the fighters of Islamic State (IS) seem to have followed in the Sinjar area of northern Iraq, peopled largely by members of the Yazidi faith, that the jihadists seized last month. Reports by the UN and independent human-rights groups suggest that the invaders executed hundreds of Yazidi men and kidnapped as many as 2,000 women and children.

Any doubt as to the fate of these captives was dispelled by the latest issue of IS’s glossy English-language online magazine,Dabiq. An article titled “The Revival of Slavery Before the Hour” details religious justifications for reintroducing a practice that ended in all but a few Muslim countries more than a century ago. It claims not only that the Koran, the sayings of the prophet and traditional Islamic law all endorse the enslavement of infidel women captured in wartime, but that the abandonment of this right has caused sin to spread; men are easily tempted to debauchery when denied this “legal” alternative to marriage.

Better yet, the article grimly enthuses, the prophet himself foretold that one of the signs of the Hour—the end of the world—was when “the slave girl gives birth to her master.” This obviously means that concubines are needed to breed soldiers for jihad. Therefore, explains the writer, the victorious warriors of Sinjar divided the Yazidi women and children among themselves, “after one fifth of the slaves were transferred to the Islamic State’s authority as khums”, ie, the share of booty surrendered to early Muslim commanders.

The fastidious theologians of IS are right in some respects. Technically speaking, the syncretic Yazidi faith may be regarded by Islam as heathen, denying its adherents the protections that Christians and Jews—fellow “people of the book”—should enjoy. And it is true, too, that Islamic scripture, although vague in many matters, is specific about slavery, including such questions as whether sex is permitted. In recent times Muslim rebels in Sudan as well as in Nigeria have used such arcane justifications to excuse enforced concubinage.

Yet the fact is that, like members of most faiths, the vast majority of Muslims have pragmatic concerns about hyper-literal interpretations. Mainstream Muslim clerics, citing competing verses and traditions that praise the freeing of slaves as a virtuous act, often describe Islam’s abandonment of slavery as a sign of its adaptability to modern times. Besides, imagine if Christians and Jews still followed the letter of the Bible, which is, incidentally, the source of the passage at the top of this article. The verse (Deuteronomy 20:10-20) also prescribes that in case of capturing a city from the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites or Jebusites, the victors should “utterly destroy them” and “save alive nothing that breatheth”.
 
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@MokshaVimukthi

i said this...
those 69 people died of hunger in that darjeeling tea plantation because you nationalists gave their food to dogs and religious idols...

and below is your reply...
If the choice of giving food is between a dog and someone like you, the dog will always be the first choice.

what does that say about you?? your strange beliefs encourage for dogs to be bred to at least 50+ million throughout india, and for those dogs to kill humans in bangalore...

LOL. In which parallel universe is a "loan" a "charity" ? :lol:

1. did you forget this... ( British foreign aid: India tells Britain 'we don't need the peanuts you offer us' | Daily Mail Online )...
"David Cameron was under intense pressure last night to slash the £1billion in aid Britain gives to India after the country said it no longer wanted the money.

India's finance minister Pranab Mukherjee said the booming country should 'voluntarily' give up the £280million a year it receives from Britain.

He told the Indian parliament: 'We do not require the aid. It is a peanut in our total development spending.'"

"As recently as 2010 the country was the biggest net recipient of British aid, receiving £421million."

"'There will be millions of hard-pressed [ british ] families wondering why on earth the [ british ] Government is wasting money in this way.'

Fellow Tory Douglas Carswell said: 'This is concrete proof that Britain's aid programme is run in the interests of Whitehall officials and the DFID machine."

"Despite India's rapid economic development the International Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell decided last year to approve a further £1.1billion in aid over the next four years."


2. this ( India | SWISSAID ) is little switzerland giving aid and development advice to india through many methods...

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what happened to india's "booming economy" and status as "knowledge super-power"... what happened to yen aar narayanamurthy's [ stupid accented ] assertions... "infosys phrovides khaamphetetive advhaantage to its khlients through our ghlobal dhelivary mhaadel"...

where are the wonders that the "modi sarkar" campaign promised...

the "loan" that india is taking from china is thirty times the "peanuts" that britain was giving to india... why did indian government need to take from "commie godless" china, despite india's "booming economy"...

what can china need from india except for political advantage... china doesn't certainly need cyber-coolies and code-monkeys from bangalore, poona, hyderabad and gurgaon...

but indian government desperately needs china's help is providing employment to indians rendered job-less because of india's failed it-bt-shitty industry... the same case is of india's "loan-taking" from japan... please read of the indian government plan... "delhi-mumbai infrastructure corridor" and its japanese involvement.
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A "loan" is a business transaction which attempts to create a win win situation.

"win-win stituation"... that is such a "modern indian industry" phrase... very mba...

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i am socialist, working towards a post-religion future for all humans... why did you have to bring-in some anti-islam article??
 
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LOL. In which parallel universe is a "loan" a "charity" ? :lol:

A "loan" is a business transaction which attempts to create a win win situation. I would rather go to Modi Govt. and Celebrate this signing of agreements.

If the choice of giving food is between a dog and someone like you, the dog will always be the first choice. Funny to see a bigot like you preaching about "respect". You need to preach your message of "rest to all of humanity" to your religious leaders. :lol:

Slavery in Islam: To have and to hold | The Economist

THE holy book is clear about what to do when you capture a city: “Put to the sword all the men in it”. As for the women and children, “You may take these as plunder for yourselves.” This is pretty much the advice that the fighters of Islamic State (IS) seem to have followed in the Sinjar area of northern Iraq, peopled largely by members of the Yazidi faith, that the jihadists seized last month. Reports by the UN and independent human-rights groups suggest that the invaders executed hundreds of Yazidi men and kidnapped as many as 2,000 women and children.

Any doubt as to the fate of these captives was dispelled by the latest issue of IS’s glossy English-language online magazine,Dabiq. An article titled “The Revival of Slavery Before the Hour” details religious justifications for reintroducing a practice that ended in all but a few Muslim countries more than a century ago. It claims not only that the Koran, the sayings of the prophet and traditional Islamic law all endorse the enslavement of infidel women captured in wartime, but that the abandonment of this right has caused sin to spread; men are easily tempted to debauchery when denied this “legal” alternative to marriage.

Better yet, the article grimly enthuses, the prophet himself foretold that one of the signs of the Hour—the end of the world—was when “the slave girl gives birth to her master.” This obviously means that concubines are needed to breed soldiers for jihad. Therefore, explains the writer, the victorious warriors of Sinjar divided the Yazidi women and children among themselves, “after one fifth of the slaves were transferred to the Islamic State’s authority as khums”, ie, the share of booty surrendered to early Muslim commanders.

The fastidious theologians of IS are right in some respects. Technically speaking, the syncretic Yazidi faith may be regarded by Islam as heathen, denying its adherents the protections that Christians and Jews—fellow “people of the book”—should enjoy. And it is true, too, that Islamic scripture, although vague in many matters, is specific about slavery, including such questions as whether sex is permitted. In recent times Muslim rebels in Sudan as well as in Nigeria have used such arcane justifications to excuse enforced concubinage.

Yet the fact is that, like members of most faiths, the vast majority of Muslims have pragmatic concerns about hyper-literal interpretations. Mainstream Muslim clerics, citing competing verses and traditions that praise the freeing of slaves as a virtuous act, often describe Islam’s abandonment of slavery as a sign of its adaptability to modern times. Besides, imagine if Christians and Jews still followed the letter of the Bible, which is, incidentally, the source of the passage at the top of this article. The verse (Deuteronomy 20:10-20) also prescribes that in case of capturing a city from the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites or Jebusites, the victors should “utterly destroy them” and “save alive nothing that breatheth”.
You are debating with a fellow Indian and just so he happens to be a Muslim you had to bring my religion into this....i know almost all of you lot here are a bunch of Islamophobes for some reason but at least keep those opinions out of this forum
 
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A Soldier Reviews ‘Haider’ movie

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I am an ex-armyman. I was stationed in Kashmir in mid-nineties. This was the same period when hordes of militants from across the border infiltrated in Kashmir to spread terror. Lashkar-e-Taiba, Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, Hizb-ul-Mujahideen and scores of other terrorist groups were having a free-for-all rampage in Kashmir. They would infiltrate from Pakistan, recruit cadre, take them to Pakistan for training, bring them back and perform heinous acts of terror.

This was the same period when half a million Kashmiri Hindus and Sikhs were massacred and forced to flee the valley.

This was the same period when Kashmir burnt under fundamentalism. It was next to impossible to differentiate between a peaceful nationalist and a killing-machine.

Whenever a cricket match would happen between India and Pakistan, Pakistani flags would wave across the valley as if we were sitting in heart of Pakistan. Any minority voice who dared to wave the Indian flag would be silenced immediately by militants.

It was during such a reign of terror, that Indian Army had to douse the fire in Kashmir with their own blood.

If someone suffered most severe human-rights violation in history of mankind, it was the Indian Army in Kashmir. We left our families in different parts of India and survived under harshest of conditions. For days we would sleep over guns in harsh climate and remotest locations just to keep tab on infiltrating militants. Anyone of us could be bombed away in a sudden attack of fundamentalism. Innumerable among us lost our lives. I lost my hand like so many others who lost their limbs or eyes. To die in a bomb blast was considered lucky. Because if you chanced to be captured by the militants, you would be slowly and mercilessly tortured to death. Militants and their supporters took pride in this gruesome ‘halal’ ritual.

Remember Saurabh Kalia? He is definitely not as popular as Vishal Bharadwaj or Shahid Kapoor. Because he was not a film star who made money by exploiting national interests. He was a humble Indian soldier who gave his life for motherland. He was captured by fundamentalists along with 5 more soldiers. They were taken across Line of Control and tortured as a religious ritual.

Pakistan army tortured their prisoners by burning their bodies with cigarettes, piercing ear-drums with hot rods, puncturing eyes before removing them, breaking most of the teeth and bones, fracturing the skull, cutting the lips, chipping the nose, chopping off limbs and private organs of these soldiers besides inflicting all sorts of physical and mental tortures and finally shooting them dead after twenty-two days, as evidenced by the bullet wound to the temple.

This made the killers “Ghazi” – who as per these fundamentalists gets highest number of most beautiful virgins in Heaven. All you need to do to be a Ghazi is to celebrate killing of a non-believer.

These five soldiers were after all the worst of creatures in world in eyes of jihadis. They were Indians, soldiers and idol-worshippers. What could be greater sin!

I was lucky because I could have been in Saurav’s place. Had I not lost my hand, instead of Saurav Kalia, I would have been ‘halal’ed to make someone Ghazi.

This was the same period when Indian Army made greatest sacrifice to save India and humanity from reign of death and blood.

And it is the same period around which the film “Haider” by Vishal Bharadwaj, Shahid Kapoor and anti-India jihadi writer Basharat Peer has been made and adored by “critics”.

No struggle for liberation in Kashmir
Everyone on ground knows that there is no struggle for liberation of Kashmiris in Kashmir. If that had been so, why native Kashmiri Pandits would have been massacred?


You need to spend just a few days in the valley to understand the true nature of struggle that lies hidden under this garb of Kashmiriyat.

It is simply a ploy to extend the reaches of Islamic fundamentalism. The same fundamentalism of Al-Qaeda and ISIS that is shaking the entire world.

Kashmiri militants are brainwashed to believe that they will go to Paradise only after India is conquered by an army of Jihadis. Listen to speeches of Masood Azhar, founder of Jaish-e-Muhammad. He talks of Ghazwa-e-Hind prophecy where Prophet made conquest of India a precondition for opening doors of Heaven.

In name of religion, the same poison is spread in minds of Kashmiri youth to make them militants.

Go and ask opinion of any Kashmiri liberation member. No one will say that idol-worshipper can also be a good human blessed by Allah. On contrary, they believe that idol-worshippers are worst of creatures. The real hatred is against non-Muslims because as per them, Islam is the only acceptable religion. All non-Muslims must convert to Islam or deserve hatred. This is exactly the same ideology that ISIS and Al-Qaeda follow.

The war against terror is a war against this fanatic mindset. None other than the Indian Army has sacrificed more to fight this war. We fought not only with arms but with love and service. The flood relief efforts in Kashmir in recent past is a clear example of the same.

Enemy within and outside
Yet Indian Army continues to face bullets from enemies and abuses from family. Today, on one side Pakistan is targeting Indian Army and minority locations in Kashmir with bullets. And around the same time, our own country-men create a film like “Haider” that paints Indian Army a villain.

On one hand, flags of ISIS are waved in Kashmir, and at same time, “critics” laud anti-nationalism of Haider as marvel of art.

Such co-incidences give ample evidence that somehow our enemies and certain elements from within our country consistently orchestrate great timing and coordination among each other that it is hard to believe that it was just a mere coincidence.

In Army, we are trained to observe such remarkable coincidences, understand what goes behind, and yet silently sacrifice ourselves for the mission of nation.

Haider shook me to core
I have myself faced irrepairable loss in saving motherland from anti-national militants. And my fellow armymen have made much larger sacrifices for the same cause. Thus the film Haider shook me to core.

It made me question for the first time – Whom are we fighting for? Whom are we defending? The same people who could make this film because of Army’s protection collude with an anti-national Jihadi writer to make a villain of Indian Army?

Is this the reward of our sacrifices that we continue to make? Are commercial gains and so-called artistic expression more important than motherland and humanity?

What if we had not fought terrorism by tooth and nail in nineties? What if we had not arrested the spread of terror to other parts of country through our own lives?

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

This is not a film-critics review. This is a review from perspective of an armyman, a lover of humanity and a son of India. A true secular who refuses to believe that God hates idol-worshippers so much that they will go to Hell. And aspires to fight against ideology that directly or indirectly nurtures such fundamentalist elements.

This is not rhetoric in jingoism
Unlike Haider, which is an experiment in fundamentalism, don’t consider the article to be a rhetoric in jingoism.

Yes, I love my country. I love my country more than I love anything else in life. I love my country not because I was born here or I am a native of this nation. It is not because I love the design of the map of India. It is because its timeless cultural and philosophical heritage that is built on core foundations of tolerance, acceptance and justice. So jingoism has no place for a nationalist and son of soil.

My nationalism does not make me aspire to conquer the whole world. It inspires me to enlighten the whole world. It inspires me to promote brotherhood across the globe and strive for “One World, One Family.” It inspires me to make India lighthouse of the world. I joined Indian Army not to conquer the world, but nurture and protect Peace that defines foundation of India.

I am not a movie-watcher. My mission never allowed me the luxury to fit movies or serials in my priority-list. But I made an exception for Haider.

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Summary Review of Haider
While I will provide details later, let me state upfront – I find “Haider” to be a shameless commercialization of anti-nationalism.

No its not a rhetoric. This is the most “polite” way in which I can summarize the review of this film.

The more “practical” review summary is already being demonstrated by my Indian Army by appropriate retaliation to Pakistani misadventure of cross-border firing. Salutes to my Army for this. Am proud to lose my arm for you. And regret that I could not gift my life for you.

The Detailed Review of Haider
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This is perhaps the first anti-Indian film that has been produced in India by Indians. Just as the film producers chose to showcase Army as criminals, I would prefer to call the film-maker and its sympathizers Jaichands.

B.The film has been written by Basharat Peer – a Kashmiri separatist based out of New York.Basharat Peer is well acclaimed for his hatred of India. He lived, studied and made career from what India gave him. But in influence of fanaticism, fundamentalism and perhaps some money, he chose to hate India. He openly claims that he holds an Indian Passport only due to compulsion.

Of course it is a pity that Vishal Bhardwaj and Shahid Kapoor and the rest of the gang who eat their bread from India chose to select a vocal anti-national to write their plot.

No, Basharat Peer is not a professional film writer. On contrary, this is his first such project.

In garb of producing Shakespeare’s Hamlet, the film team has done what Jaichand or Mir Zafar did, all for petty commercial gains.

C. The film has a clear anti-India tone. The protagonist is son of a doctor who also is a member of militant gang of Kashmiri separatists. The wife and brother of the doctor report presence of terrorists in home to military. Military catches the doctor and kills all the militants. The hero “Haider” is supposed to take revenge for this.

In entire film, all dialogues and all characters make one clear assumption – that anything and anyone who supports India is a bad guy. Anything and anyone who hates India or Indian Army or is a militant is a good guy.

The greatest crime of bad guys is that they believe in Indian democracy or chose to support Indian Army instead of militants.

D. Indian Army is shown to be tyrants. They torture even innocents brutally. In one scene, they castrate a young man during torture even though they knew he was innocent.

E. In one scene, Army asks all militants to shout “Jai Hind”. The father of Haider refuses to shout so, and hence is punished. In anger, he asks his companion to inform his son that he must take revenge for all this. Thus a “hero” is born from Haider whose only agenda in life is to kill those who love India. This continues without remorse till end of the film.

There is no mention of the fact that thousands or even lakhs of militants had infiltrated India during the same period. Only an anti-national can complain about use of “Jai Hind” to segregate militants from ordinary citizens. I can understand Basharat Peer to have hatred against “Jai Hind”. But why Shahid Kapoor and Vishal Bharadwaj?

For humble soldiers like me, “Jai Hind” is the only call for which we live and die. This alone is our mantra, our kalma, our slogan.

F. In last scene, after all killing and destruction, the hero heads towards Pakistan.

G. In the interim, there is an incoherent monologue by Haider on how India cheated Kashmiris and has illegally occupied Kashmir. He raises slogan among public who shout back that they want independence from India. This anti-India speech is supposedly a high-point of the film.

H. Kashmiri women have been portrayed as lose characters. Haider’s mother starts sleeping with her brother-in-law immediately after she gets her husband arrested by military for hiding militants. And immediately after death of her husband is confirmed, she marries. Further, she has questionable feelings for her son which is exemplified by unnecessary kiss scenes.

I.Another Kashmiri woman, Haider’s girlfriend is shown to have utter disdain for her religion. She refuses to touch Quran for vow and instead decides to sleep with Haider despite objections from her brother and father. She is confused between her love for Haider and love for India. And that confusion leads to problems for Haider.

J. These are the only two women in the film. Basharat Peer has played a very smart move here. It is evident that he has insulted Islam as well as denigrated Kashmiri women apart from insulting India. His real goal is not the benefit of Kashmiris. He seems to be inspired by Pakistan instead. That is why the hero finally leaves for Pakistan. Any Muslim who has slightest soft-corner for India is shown as someone against Islam.

K. In fact there is another set of characters who mimic Salman Khan – an Indian actor. They are shown to be friends of Haider who turn traitors and try to kill him under orders of police. But Haider kills them instead.

L. The father of Haider’s girlfriend is shown to be a spineless policeman who knows India is wrong in illegally capturing Kashmir and yet works against “Kashmiri freedom fighters”. He is the one who gives orders to kill Haider in encounter.

M. There is a repeated use of word “Chutzpah”. It serves two purposes. First it fulfills the fetish of film crew to speak out an abusive word indirectly. Secondly, it is supposed to rhyme with AFSPA – Armed Forces Special Powers Act – that gives special powers to Army in Kashmir to fight terrorists. In one scene, Haider is seen mocking AFSPA along with his friends by mentioning it along side Chutzpah. It is used to ridicule India’s ‘illegal’ control over Kashmir.

The director ignores the fact that Chutzpah is a Hebrew word that is pronounced as “Hutspah” or “Khutspah” and not with “CH” as director’s fetish propelled him.

The irony is that AFSPA alone is the reason why the makers of Haider could make the film today!

N. Even apart from the obvious focus on anti-Indianism, there is nothing that the movie offers apart from long yawns and drags. There are scenes and situations where one is confused whether to laugh or take seriously. For example, two comedians who mimic Salman Khan suddenly turn villains. Some elderly grave-diggers near Pakistan border suddenly start singing and dancing out of context. They are revealed to be militants later.

O.There is a song “Bismil” where idol of “Satan” has been put on gates of Martand Temple in Anantnag and the hero sings and dances like devil. It is an obvious reference to the oldest Sun temple of world being a haven of Satan. After the song, hero attempts to kill his uncle. Several Hindu organizations have protested against this insulting depiction of a revered temple.

P. The hero refers to Anantnag as Islamabad when an army-man asks his destination. This is an obvious reference to affection for capital of Pakistan and refusal to speak the original Hindu name.

The film makes no mention of the fact that the name Kashmir comes from Rishi Kashyap – one of the most revered Sapta Rishis as per Hinduism. The name Anantnag comes from Ananta of Naga tribe, who also happened to be son of Rishi Kashyap. Both these words predate “Islamabad” and the demands for separation of Kashmir by thousands of years. Kashmir has been the most important center of Shaiva philosophy – one of the most important components of Hinduism – way before even religion was born.

Q. The movie claims to highlight the ‘Kashmir cause’ but the makers restricted themselves to Indian Kashmir only completely forgetting the Pakistan and Chinese Occupied Kashmir and rights of Kashmiris therein. Perhaps because it was again the Indian Army alone that allowed these snakes to shoot the movie in its area which was not possible in China or Pakistan. And in the end, the snakes bit the hands that fed them. Makers of Haider left no stone unturned to demonize Indian Army but not a single word has been uttered against the rogue Pakistani Army or Chinese PLA.

R. Soft corner for separatists but not even a single mention of ethnic cleansing of half a million Kashmiri Hindus from valley in 1989 in whole movie. Clear attempt of fueling false sense of victim-hood among the already radicalized separatists but deliberately hiding the real Kashmiri issues. It is clearly the Pakistani line on Kashmir that the makers of Haider have toed. The movie complains that army would inspect, threaten and torture Kashmiris. But movie offers no solution to how else the army should have dealt with those who hide militants in home, hate India, are ashamed to say ‘Jai Hind’ and has every other member in family as a militant or receiving terror-training in Pakistan. When thousands of militants have infiltrated the border, Pakistani flags are waved en-masse during Indo-Pak match, and half a million non-Muslims are killed or forced to flee, what else can army do to stop terror from killing more innocent lives? It does not matter whether it is Kashmir or Kanyakumari. If any person or group supports terrorists, or has family members indulged in terrorism, or are ashamed to say “Jai Hind”, then they deserve most thorough scrutiny and punishments. This is necessary to contain terrorism. This is not human rights violation. This is protection of human rights of innocent millions.

In general this movie has one agenda – to portray the following as villains:

  • Muslims who love India
  • Women who love India
  • Hindus who love India
  • Armymen who love India
  • Kashmiris who love India
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No I don’t call for ban on the film. The era of information control through bans is far over.

What I call for is to use this film as a lever to educate our fellow Indians and world about Kashmir. How militants destroy peace in Kashmir, how Pakistan destroys peace in Kashmir, how filmmakers mock true Kashmiris, true Muslims and true Hindus, how paid journalists like Basharat Peer bring bad name for Kashmir as well as India despite being Kashmiri. And how Indian Army has made greatest sacrifices in history of humanity to protect peace in Kashmir.

It is time to create national awakening on Kashmir issue, fight Pakistan and Kashmiri separatists in most ruthless manner to bring peace in valley and India. Indian Army is doing a fabulous job on the border. Lets do within the border and internationally to support their sacrifices.

Many critics and “experts” have claimed that “Haider” is a bold masterpiece. One reason why many frustrated minds are calling it masterpiece is obvious – despite their predictions, a so-called right-wing party came to power with absolute majority in recent elections. This is despite their top-of-the-mouth out-of-the-court pronouncement of judgement that the incumbent Prime Minister is a mass-murderer. Somehow public could not be conned by these fake allegations. And the massive victory frustrated them to core. So they will leave no option to proclaim any crap as masterpiece so far it is against the proclaimed stand of incumbent party. In case of Kashmir, it is also clear that this stand of zero-tolerance for militancy in Kashmir is also voice of people.

As far as it being a “bold” movie, I fully agree. It is indeed a bold experiment. Almost as bold as Pakistan’s recent bold experiment of cross-border firing in Kashmir. Or their “chutzpah” in 1947, 1965, 1971 and 1998 that eventually bankrupted the rogue country.

And I agree that such boldness be better countered with even more boldness.

Please note that I am not against Pakistanis or Kashmiris who are fed up with violence. My love for nation makes every peace-lover in the world my best friend. But for sake of this peace, my love for nation calls for total annihilation of those forces or voices that promote militancy in any manner whatsoever.

As far as liberation of Kashmir is concerned, all this talks about plebicite or Nehru’s promise in 1948 is completely irrelevant. It was a blunder that few weak voices were allowed to partition the country whose borders have been decided since ages by nature and which nurtures the oldest civilization and culture of world uninterrupted till date.

No more partition can be tolerated. Period. If majority in Kashmir want separation, then the same rule should apply to every house, every lane, every mohalla of India. Tomorrow I may claim that 6 people of my home want to be independent country – we form full majority – hence grant us freedom. This is foolish talk.

Kashmir was always integral part of India. And shall remain so. The entire drama of separatism in Kashmir is a ploy to annexe a major part of India for fundamentalism – in lines of ISIS and Al Qaeda. The whole world is seeing results of rise of this fundamentalism. It is time we join together to crush it.

If a few silly films like Haider come up to rake up and further the cause of fundamentalists, we must use them as well to further the agenda of peace, tolerance and integral India.

My humble appeal would be to not waste your time and money watching such anti-national “pseudo-intellectual purgation”. Better donate it for Indian Army or PM Relief Fund to help Kashmiris suffering from floods and ignite the cause of nation.

This article is dedicated to Indian Army which has scripted the most befitting review of “Haider” and all such anti-national antics through its valor in Kashmir. My salutes to these heroes of nation.

Jai Hind. Vande Mataram
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That bastard Bharadwaj should be declared a traitor and should be hanged in public!Anyone who tries to potray the Indian Armed Forces in a negative manner should get the same treatment.These traitors don't understand the simple fact that it's because of the Armed Forces that they are being able to voice their opinion in the open!Damn traitors:hitwall:!!
 
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Are those archaic laws enforceable or not? Laws are laws, you cannot claim one set of rules for India and another set of rules for them. By the same token, India's archaic laws holds homosexuality a crime, but it is not enforced, but I never see liberals like you arguing that to be okay.

Yes, Jalianawala Bagh pales in comparison to the other atrocities they committed or in comparison to Nazi Germany, so while they may not be proud of Jalianawala Bagh they can take consolation in the fact that it was a crime of lesser magnitude as compared to what others were doing. Now bring in Bengal famines and other such events and their monstrosity assumes greater proportion than Hitler himself and that would not be tolerable to them.

Racist slurs of their own do not cause any harm to anyone and comes in the ambit of freedom of expression, but they find it unacceptable and as such have deemed it a crime. Likewise in India, outraging religious sentiments and being party to instigating separatism is a crime.

Your comparison of India to USA shows you lack even a modicum of common sense. Neither African Americans nor Asian Americans or Latin Americans have a background of religious persecution or separatist tendencies to them. Tell me about an insurgency you see ongoing in USA. If anything it is the majority whites with a deeply entrenched racist inclination who control all levers of powers. Communist China is far far more homogeneous than India is and in many ways more practical and pragmatic which shows its has its priorities right unlike foolish Indians who consider themselves brown sahibs and are a lot of hot air and talk in esoteric terms rather than be aware of the ground situation of their country.

Neither do you know the civilizational value of India nor are you aware of it as a nation. All you want is to transplant Western values on a country not built in the Western mold.

Yawn. LOL - there are laws in UK which allow a Scotsman to be shot in York if he is carrying a bow and an arrow. Or placing a stamp with the monarch's head upside down is an act of Treason. Of course, such laws are not imposed.

Of course racist slurs are illegal. But holding racist views are not. Perhaps the English language is difficult for you to grasp.

Your lack of historical knowledge merely highlights your sheer stupidity. Persecution is not merely religious - it can be racial or assume any form. If you had read a bit of history you would know that African Americans were denied basic rights right till the 1960s through racial segregation laws.

It is downright laughable that you want India to be cast in the mould of a Communist nation-state like China which adorns its currency with the picture of a mass-murderer. LOL - apparently - "practical and pragmatic" in your book.

And you can't even distinguish between a nation-state and a civilization.

Your posts are the digital equivalent of pi$sing on the graves of the forefathers who fought for our freedom.
 
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what does that say about you?? your strange beliefs encourage for dogs to be bred to at least 50+ million throughout india, and for those dogs to kill humans in bangalore...

What it tells about me is I have the ability to cut through the BS and see the person for what he really is.

My "strange" beliefs are my own and I do not grant ANY permission for islamic bigots to pass judgement on them. Neither they have the right to do so nor do I care a FCUK for what they think about them. There are more muslims killing humans than dogs killing humans. So the very fact that India continues to allow muslims to breed says a LOT about India and Hindus. So spare me your crap.


I don't see the relevance.

2. this ( India | SWISSAID ) is little switzerland giving aid and development advice to india through many methods...

So ?

what happened to india's "booming economy" and status as "knowledge super-power"... what happened to yen aar narayanamurthy's [ stupid accented ] assertions... "infosys phrovides khaamphetetive advhaantage to its khlients through our ghlobal dhelivary mhaadel"...

Nothing has happened. It is still very much there. I don't carry any brief for Narayanmurthy so if you have a problem with him too, I suggest you take it up with him.

What happened ? you used to drive cabs for infosys before they kicked you out for unethical practices ?

where are the wonders that the "modi sarkar" campaign promised...

We see it EVERYDAY. If you cannot see it, it is because you are blinded by religious bigotry and hate.

the "loan" that india is taking from china is thirty times the "peanuts" that britain was giving to india... why did indian government need to take from "commie godless" china, despite india's "booming economy"...

No point in wasting my time trying to educated uneducated louts who are proud of being uneducated.

what can china need from india except for political advantage... china doesn't certainly need cyber-coolies and code-monkeys from bangalore, poona, hyderabad and gurgaon...

Let the educated folks worry about such things. You worry about your carpentry workshop or cab driving or welding or whatever it is that you do.

but indian government desperately needs china's help is providing employment to indians rendered job-less because of india's failed it-bt-shitty industry... the same case is of india's "loan-taking" from japan... please read of the indian government plan... "delhi-mumbai infrastructure corridor" and its japanese involvement.
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Don't forget to thank the CONgress govt. for the past. Don't forget to thank the Modi govt. for the present and future. :coffee:

"win-win stituation"... that is such a "modern indian industry" phrase... very mba...

Ya, we get it. You are uneducated and is proud to flaunt it in public :lol: ........I think you are mistaking this bunch of educated folks with a bunch of uneducated muslims from your society who will applaud your false bravado. Here you are just a joke. No surprise that you are oblivious to it.

i am socialist, working towards a post-religion future for all humans... why did you have to bring-in some anti-islam article??

You are a closet jihadi who disguises your attempts in "socialism". There are other "secular" folks who will fall for that hook like and sinker. Anyone who writes in bold that shoot the saffron and salute the green deserves the reply I have given. Expect more of the same.

Your lack of historical knowledge merely highlights your sheer stupidity. Persecution is not merely religious - it can be racial or assume any form. If you had read a bit of history you would know that African Americans were denied basic rights right till the 1960s through racial segregation laws.

So ? Did the african americans ever demand a separate homeland ? and if they did, did they get one ? The common afro-white cause UNITED the US (civil war), not DIVIDE the nation like what happened with India. If you have any sense of history and its lessons you would have known this without any of us have to explain the obvious.

It is downright laughable that you want India to be cast in the mould of a Communist nation-state like China which adorns its currency with the picture of a mass-murderer. LOL - apparently - "practical and pragmatic" in your book.

Is that a strawman ? sure looks like one.

And you can't even distinguish between a nation-state and a civilization.

It is you who come across as denying the history of this civilization state which today takes the form of a political entity called India.

Your posts are the digital equivalent of pi$sing on the graves of the forefathers who fought for our freedom.[/quote]

You are no one to judge that. Same could be said about you so spare us all the self righteousness.
 
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Expect more of the same

"the same"... another phrase from the modern indian industry... what will you use next... "we will revert back to you"... "verticals"... "multiple skill sets"... "leverage"... "holistic"...

Bullshit Bingo [Random!]

What happened ? you used to drive cabs for infosys before they kicked you out for unethical practices ?

infosys... that cyber-coolie company?? they are not worth the dust on my shoes...

this is the first time we are discussing, so you haven't read of my involvement in computing.

educated, uneducated, educated folk...

huzoor, what is this ejukesun that you repeat... hundreds of mba colleges have closed down in india, hundreds of thousands of engineering college seats ( student positions ) have gone empty... in tamil nadu, 200 colleges are closing down most of their departments because of lack of students... just a few days ago, yahoo office in bangalore began removing massive number of engineers... in february, ibm bangalore offices removed 50,000+ people, maybe lot more... infosys is desperate and the only survival action they knew is removing 13 of their top managers within one year... and so on...

college degrees, especially from india... mba or iit... are now only usable as toilet paper... that too after recycling...

There are more muslims killing humans than dogs killing humans. So the very fact that India continues to allow muslims to breed says a LOT about India and Hindus. So spare me your crap.

then i can only wish for someone dear to you to be dragged away by five to eight dogs, and torn apart... that will be your lesson in not giving such callous statement.

I don't see the relevance.

you were trying to pass off charity and political advantage as economic loan... modi government cannot rely now on the failure indian software-and-services industry... they have to ask money somewhere... even "godlesss commie" china... any port in a storm, yes??

by the way, does modi sarkar still call the british aid money as peanuts??

You are a closet jihadi who disguises your attempts in "socialism".
Anyone who writes in bold that shoot the saffron and salute the green deserves the reply I have given.

what is your objection to socialism?? sincere question...
 
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"the same"... another phrase from the modern indian industry... what will you use next... "we will revert back to you"... "verticals"... "multiple skill sets"... "leverage"... "holistic"...

Bullshit Bingo [Random!]

Expect me to continue using all the varied and colourful vocabulary that exist in current language of discussion. You poor education makes you unable to keep up with me so no point in blaming others for making best use of the language :lol: ..... you however will continue to ramble in your severely limited vocabulary.

infosys... that cyber-coolie company?? they are not worth the dust on my shoes...
this is the first time we are discussing, so you haven't read of my involvement in computing.

Yet you keep talking about "infosys" in almost ALL your posts :lol: ...........Denial is a river egypt. :P

huzoor, what is this ejukesun that you repeat... hundreds of mba colleges have closed down in india, hundreds of thousands of engineering college seats ( student positions ) have gone empty... in tamil nadu, 200 colleges are closing down most of their departments because of lack of students... just a few days ago, yahoo office in bangalore began removing massive number of engineers... in february, ibm bangalore offices removed 50,000+ people, maybe lot more... infosys is desperate and the only survival action they knew is removing 13 of their top managers within one year... and so on...

college degrees, especially from india... mba or iit... are now only usable as toilet paper... that too after recycling...

So ? .......... does this rambling make any point ? No. There is a saying "bandar kya jane Adrak ka swad" :lol:

I can see that you are back to talking about "Infosys" :lol:

then i can only wish for someone dear to you to be dragged away by five to eight dogs, and torn apart... that will be your lesson in not giving such callous statement.

If wishes were horses beggars would ride :lol: ........no riding for you closet terrorist.

you were trying to pass off charity and political advantage as economic loan... modi government cannot rely now on the failure indian software-and-services industry... they have to ask money somewhere... even "godlesss commie" china... any port in a storm, yes??

If that is what you understood, blame it on your poor education. LOL.

by the way, does modi sarkar still call the british aid money as peanuts??

Why don't you aks him ? He has a twitter and Facebook account :lol:

what is your objection to socialism?? sincere question...

None. Even fools have right to exist and propagate. I only have objections to Islamic bigots who masquerade as socialists. :coffee:
 
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None. Even fools have right to exist and propagate. I only have objections to Islamic bigots who masquerade as socialists. :coffee:

so, you call socialists as fools... and of course, there is your hatred of islam... which means that you will hate the work of hazrat isa ( jesus christ )... which means that you hate socialism... oh, well...

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i am sure you don't own a business and you are not into politics... you value a kaalej degree... that means you are a job-doer, which means you are a fool who doesn't know he may be kicked out of job within days or months... you are a ghareeb... a voluntary-poor... of no use to socialism and to humanity... you know, the old credo... one who produces, can consume...

elon musk dropped out of college... know him?? as did steve jobs, founder of apple company which designed your iphone and ipad... i can go on till 10,000 bc... of those who didn't have your mba or iit ejukesun...

since you don't respect them, stop using their designed machinery and facilities and please go live in some gandhi village.

dozens of mba-types couldn't save kingfisher airlines or subroto roy... your mba can't save your job.

happy journeys... i rest my case
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