A Sincere question to Indian members

[Joe Shearer]

You can expect anything from the scum of the earth Indians. They are a lost cause.

I have too much respect for the responsibilities you held to do anything, but how can you use a phrase like this?

 

[Basel]

Chandu Babulal Chohan, a 22 year old Indian soldier from 37 Rashtriya Rifles is allegedly in Pakistan custody.

Albeit his arrest and under what circumstances he was captured remains open to question however the Indian officials have so far given several versions of the story from being a deserter to having inadvertently crossed over with latest episode claiming that he had an argument with his seniors and walked off in a huff and must have crossed in a spurt of anger.
For a moment, let's assume and believe any of the above Indian version of story alas a solitary soldier crosses into Pakistan and is instantly captured by the Pakistani security forces. Under normal circumstances he may have wondered around for sometime before getting picked up but since there has been tension on the border for the last few weeks, both sides are even more alert and keep a vigilance against any misadventure from the other side.
So, when a single soldier didn't go unnoticed and is picked up immediately, we are led to believe that several dozen Indian soldiers enter some 3 KMs inside Pakistan at over half a dozen different points and carry out assaults on the so called terrorist launch pads lasting for some four hours and then return back to India unscathed.... doesn't seems incorrect but more delusional to say the least. When the Pakistani security forces were expecting some misadventure by India and Indian forces are also aware of Pakistan's alert status, thus any mission would have been nothing less than suicidal. Your thoughts please.

@Oscar @Irfan Baloch @DESERT FIGHTER @Tipu7 @nair @Peshwa @TheEagle @Arsalan @Areesh @ISI.

They fool all Pakistani systems by wearing "Sulemani chadar"

Many Indian member even don't know what kind of border monitoring and Surveillance systems Pakistan currently use and have deployed them due to hostilities.

 

[Tashfeen Abdul Qayyum]

It is an election stunt and a cover up
for the atrocities happening in Kashmir. Not a word is to be believed that is coming out of
India without any proof.

 

[VCheng]

I have too much respect for the responsibilities you held to do anything, but how can you use a phrase like this?

Let us just realize the insight such phrases give us into those selected for such responsibilities, and move right on.

 

[HAIDER]

Chandu Babulal Chohan, a 22 year old Indian soldier from 37 Rashtriya Rifles is allegedly in Pakistan custody.

Albeit his arrest and under what circumstances he was captured remains open to question however the Indian officials have so far given several versions of the story from being a deserter to having inadvertently crossed over with latest episode claiming that he had an argument with his seniors and walked off in a huff and must have crossed in a spurt of anger.
For a moment, let's assume and believe any of the above Indian version of story alas a solitary soldier crosses into Pakistan and is instantly captured by the Pakistani security forces. Under normal circumstances he may have wondered around for sometime before getting picked up but since there has been tension on the border for the last few weeks, both sides are even more alert and keep a vigilance against any misadventure from the other side.
So, when a single soldier didn't go unnoticed and is picked up immediately, we are led to believe that several dozen Indian soldiers enter some 3 KMs inside Pakistan at over half a dozen different points and carry out assaults on the so called terrorist launch pads lasting for some four hours and then return back to India unscathed.... doesn't seems incorrect but more delusional to say the least. When the Pakistani security forces were expecting some misadventure by India and Indian forces are also aware of Pakistan's alert status, thus any mission would have been nothing less than suicidal. Your thoughts please.

@Oscar @Irfan Baloch @DESERT FIGHTER @Tipu7 @nair @Peshwa @TheEagle @Arsalan @Areesh @ISI.

You need to correct , Chandu is not 22 year old. He has been serving Indian army for the last 9 years. Age is incorrect.

 

[Windjammer]

You need to correct , Chandu is not 22 year old. He has been serving Indian army for the last 9 years. Age is incorrect.

I just quoted whats been reported in media. Anyways, his image has now been released.

 

[Sky lord]

you mean we should not stop your propaganda ?

Ma'am, I don't think there is any proof that can be provided by the GOI that you would believe.

However, can you tell me why the PA has not provided any proof of its version? Artilary fire creates a lot of damage. The press could ask villagers in the area what they heard that night. Why is such proof not made available, especially as it is so easy to do?

 

[WAJsal]

any proof of its version?

https://defence.pk/threads/exclusive-dg-ispr-takes-journalists-to-loc-and-briefs.452817/
Shouldn't be so hard for Indian side to prove their side of the story. But let me get the story right first, was it a surgical strike which involved troops being flown or was it a cross border operation? And even then should it not be easier to prove all this? While we have proved that it was nothing more than cease fire violation. Good way to mislead the masses though.

 

[Blue Marlin]

you lot should see this , more specifically the video

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37531900

@Windjammer @Sky lord @WAJsal

 

[WAJsal]

you lot should see this , more specifically the video

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37531900

@Windjammer @Sky lord @WAJsal

Should it be so tough to prove? i mean what a lie, actually i blame the media more than anything. Indian media misleading the people as always. At this day and age it should not be able to prove.
Hy, see how this diverts the attention from what India is doing in IOK. See the connection?

 

[Blue Marlin]

Should it be so tough to prove? i mean what a lie, actually i blame the media more than anything. Indian media misleading the people as always. At this day and age it should not be able to prove.
Hy, see how this diverts the attention from what India is doing in IOK. See the connection?

did you see the video in the link? your army took the bbc to were they did the "strikes"

 

[WAJsal]

did you see the video in the link? your army took the bbc to were they did the "strikes"

One of the supposed locations i guess. Actually they violated cease-fire in 4 sectors simultaneously, nothing much happened. Got the response and were silenced. Love how media can manipulate the masses. If any of this was real, India would have released images. Soldiers would be getting medals.
PS: terrorist camps just 2-3 Km's across the border .

 

[Blue Marlin]

One of the supposed locations i guess. Actually they violated cease-fire in 4 sectors simultaneously, nothing much happened. Got the response and were silenced. Love how media can manipulate the masses. If any of this was real, India would have released images. Soldiers would be getting medals.
PS: terrorist camps just 2-3 Km's across the border .

indeed. in the video i think she was talking to asim bajwa. so i would expect the place to be correct. and i dont think its a good idea going to close to the loc (for a journalist]. it just shows to what lengths they would go to to calm theri pwn people down mainly. do note the pm and the smaller parties are hardcore right wingers. i dont think modi is dumb enough to start a war and the world opinion is invalid here. i would no doubt to expect world leaders to think differently. as they looks at facts not ndtv with that loud journalist saying DESTROY PAKISTAN!!!

infact give it about a month and things may back fire for them, i doubt it but lets see.if they took the bbc there i would expect them to take many more journalists there too.

oh by the way surgical strike can be interpreted for anything. heck would you be surprised to know even i have done surgical strikes too

 

[Sky lord]

https://defence.pk/threads/exclusive-dg-ispr-takes-journalists-to-loc-and-briefs.452817/
Shouldn't be so hard for Indian side to prove their side of the story. But let me get the story right first, was it a surgical strike which involved troops being flown or was it a cross border operation? And even then should it not be easier to prove all this? While we have proved that it was nothing more than cease fire violation. Good way to mislead the masses though.

How does that prove anything? Taking journalists to an area and saying "look there's nothing" is meaningless ... there might be something 5 meters away hidden behind the shrubbery....or half a mile away in plain view. It's not like the journalists are allowed free unsupervised movement in the area.

As far as the Indian version of events, I would go by the government press conference not by what each and every media outlet says. I think the paras were transported to the loc on helicopters and then they trekked 1-3 kms into Pak.

3 kms, which is less than 2 miles, should take maximum about 30 mins at an average pace ( I do it faster everyday on the treadmill) ...obviously nobody would have heard anything...that was the whole point.

Remember the area is heavily monitored on the Indian side not the Pakistani side...because infiltration usually moves into India not outwards.

As far as the rest of the world ( i.e. Outside of Pakistan) is concerned, information provided by the GOI is as reliable as most western governments...whatever that maybe worth...

Anyway, I gotta go now...I leave you guys to discuss.

 

[WAJsal]

How does that prove anything? Taking journalists to an area and saying "look there's nothing" is meaningless

Sorry for being so late, it does make a lot of difference. For example take a look at international audience, take our @Blue Marlin for example. What's there to hide anyway?