A Sincere question to Indian members

[Windjammer]

If the whole "Surgical Strike" thing claimed by India is really fake, why does Pakistan make a fuss about it ??

What is the need to try and engage UNSC P5 ??

http://www.dawn.com/news/1287279

Nawaz Sharif had informed that Pakistan can too conduct surgical strikes. Why ??

http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/355126-Pakistan-capable-of-conducting-surgical-strikes-N

http://www.news18.com/news/india/pa...ng-surgical-strikes-nawaz-sharif-1297288.html

Your retired generals are also concerned it seems.

https://defence.pk/threads/if-gover...-strikes-really-means-ex-army-officer.452722/

Hafeez Sayeed has been shouting that he will show what surgical strikes are???

http://www.news18.com/news/india/pa...ng-surgical-strikes-nawaz-sharif-1297288.html


Seriously mate, if the claim by Indian DGMO was really fake why so much noise from the other side.

@Windjammer

When one side tries to humiliate you by lies with the help of a slavish media, obviously public on the other side will want to know what's happening..... and demand a response.
In case you didn't pay attention, most are saying , ''We will tell or show India, what surgical strikes in essence means''...!!
Not what India is claiming.....show them how it's done.... not too difficult to understand, !!!

 

[Mud]

You are unnecessarily wallowing into the technicality of the operation and other events that have taken place.
What ever the definition of surgical strike or capture/straying of Indian soldier makes no difference in diplomacy.

Indian diplomacy achieved its goal of putting pakistan in tight spot. Consider the two scenarios..

1) No surgical strike took place bcos border was heavily fortified and no one could cross it. This means even terrorists cannot cross the border without connivance of pak military. As such any terrorist attack will put the blame squarely on pakistan.

2) Surgical strike did take place (watever its definition).
This puts pressure on pakistan to retaliate if not make them look weak to domestic jihadis and public. India cleverly said the strike was against terrorist launch pads but not against pak military. As such if pak military does retaliate it will be show cased as support for terrorists. No retaliation will end up in loss of face.

Your logic does not make sense, if everybody in india thinks like you then no wonder modi managed to make fool of 1.2 billion people

 

[T-72M1]

I believe that since it's expected for any such operation to be only conducted at night, hence there is even more vigilance at night.

c'mon yaar, it is impossible to constantly monitor every square inch of that terrain, both sides will tell you that much.

let's keep this recent incident aside just for a second, the fact is that jihadis routinely use this to cross over into our side, so why would it be outside of the realm of possibility for highly trained soldiers to do so ?

 

[ito]

It is strange that Pakistanis are hell bent on denying the surgical strikes. Instead they should have used this opportunity for their benefit.

 

[Indika]

let's keep this recent incident aside just for a second, the fact is that jihadis routinely use this to cross over into our side, so why would it be outside of the realm of possibility for highly trained soldiers to do so ?

During the punjab militancy pakistan used drug smugglers to get in terrorists into punjab. India used the very same smugglers to create havoc back in pakistan. Its the same here too, use the same guides who bring in terrorists to sneak into pakistan.

 

[Windjammer]

You are unnecessarily wallowing into the technicality of the operation and other events that have taken place.
What ever the definition of surgical strike or capture/straying of Indian soldier makes no difference in diplomacy.

Indian diplomacy achieved its goal of putting pakistan in tight spot. Consider the two scenarios..

1) No surgical strike took place bcos border was heavily fortified and no one could cross it. This means even terrorists cannot cross the border without connivance of pak military. As such any terrorist attack will put the blame squarely on pakistan.

2) Surgical strike did take place (watever its definition).
This puts pressure on pakistan to retaliate if not make them look weak to domestic jihadis and public. India cleverly said the strike was against terrorist launch pads but not against pak military. As such if pak military does retaliate it will be show cased as support for terrorists. No retaliation will end up in loss of face.

One wonders why the Indians are acting dumb and mute (No offence) and not asking the GOI or MOD for some proofs to the claim. Presently it seems a case of Dogs got your ear,...and have you noticed no one around the world has entertained the Indian claim and have just quoted from Indian sources.

 

[Indika]

It is strange that Pakistanis are hell bent on denying the surgical strikes. Instead they should have used this opportunity for their benefit.

Like how? they can neither deny nor accept it. Its a thief being stung.

 

[Mud]

c'mon yaar, it is impossible to constantly monitor every square inch of that terrain, both sides will tell you that much.

let's keep this recent incident aside just for a second, the fact is that jihadis routinely use this to cross over into our side, so why would it be outside of the realm of possibility for highly trained soldiers to do so ?

But it still does not make sense that anybody in their sane mind will put up camps so close to LOC with so heightened tensions and armies on alert. Secondly no proof is given from indian side yet puts a big question mark, Because if you guys would have managed to do something, the kind of media you have you would be running the videos 24/7. No other main stream media outlet confirmed surgical strikes except of course indian media.

 

[Indika]

One wonders why the Indians are acting dumb and mute (No offence) and not asking the GOI or MOD for some proofs to the claim. Presently it seems a case of Dogs got your ear,...and have you noticed no one around the world has entertained the Indian claim and have just quoted from Indian sources.

did you read my first line very well, world does not care about proof when it comes to pakistan. There have been series of incidents from osama to mullah mansour not to mention the living edifices of UJC which has solidified the pakistan's reputation. The fact is even your own ally china would not bet on it. So stop bothering about whether it happened or not but look at the end result.

 

[Spy Master]

Lol...Indian Army fools more than 1 billion people to keep them happy and they accept it without asking any details,proofs, questions...! Level of delusions in Indians has crossed all marks...!

 

[ito]

Like how? they can neither deny nor accept it. Its a thief being stung.

What have achieved by denying the surgical strikes?

 

[Tom M]

When one side tries to humiliate you by lies with the help of a slavish media, obviously public on the other side will want to know what's happening..... and demand a response.
In case you didn't pay attention, most are saying , ''We will tell or show India, what surgical strikes in essence means''...!!
Not what India is claiming.....show them how it's done.... not too difficult to understand, !!!

Agreed, but did you managed to read the content regarding Pakistan's request to UNSC. I guess its not mere LOC firing as usual, something serious had happened for sure. Please read the excerpt

"ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Friday urged permanent members of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) to help secure peace in the region.

“The permanent members of the UN Security Council need to play their role to ensure maintenance of peace and security in the region,” Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry said while briefing the envoys of China, France, Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States of America — the P-5 countries — on what was described as a frivolous Indian claim of carrying out surgical strikes in Azad Kashmir.

Mr Chaudhry was accompanied by Director General of Military Operations (DGMO) Maj Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza, who narrated the events that began on Wednesday midnight and continued till Thursday morning."

Normally it is the Foreign office officials brief UN or UNSC members. But here your DGMO had personally briefed about the whole scenario ( surgical strike or not). This means something serious had happened between Wednesday midnight and Thursday morning for sure.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1287279

 

[Spy Master]

did you read my first line very well, world does not care about proof when it comes to pakistan. There have been series of incidents from osama to mullah mansour not to mention the living edifices of UJC which has solidified the pakistan's reputation. The fact is even your own ally china would not bet on it. So stop bothering about whether it happened or not but look at the end result.

Another Delusional Indian...Please Tell us which world? Bangladesh, Bhutan, Afghanistan?
Last I checked, China, USA ,Russia, GCC were backing Pakistan

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

As I have said earlier,it requires huge leap of faiths to buy the whole story.

 

[T-72M1]

During the punjab militancy pakistan used drug smugglers to get in terrorists into punjab. India used the very same smugglers to create havoc back in pakistan. Its the same here too, use the same guides who bring in terrorists to sneak into pakistan.

great point, drugs smugglers and contraband flows across all the time, probably a breeze for some special forces to cross the border.

But it still does not make sense that anybody in their sane mind will put up camps so close to LOC with so heightened tensions and armies on alert. Secondly no proof is given from indian side yet puts a big question mark, Because if you guys would have managed to do something, the kind of media you have you would be running the videos 24/7. No other main stream media outlet confirmed surgical strikes except of course indian media.

who says jihadis have sane minds ?

and ignore the media hype, don't get caught up in their narrative.

As I have said earlier,it requires huge leap of faiths to buy the whole story.

we don't even know the whole story, both sides' media have a narrative running and it is no leap of faith for the many jingoistic people on both sides to embrace their side and rubbish the other.