A sentimental war

[Preacher]

Note: The whole article is based on my personal assumptions and opinion you :

Following India's move to abolish the article 370A ------ Pakistani nation strongly reacted that we should declare a War and strike deep inside IHK to retake Kashmir.

Before we force-initiate our civil & military leadership to declare a War with India we need to ask ourselves a few questions WHY and WHY NOT?

WHY:

- It's about the principle! We claimed IHK for the last 70 years with #KashmirBanegaPakistan doing efforts to fuel unrest in IHK to raising the issue on all forums at diplomatic levels.

- India's agenda is much bigger than just taking over IoK and ethnic-cleansing of Muslims from the South-Asia.

- Water crisis and more shelling inside AJK.


WHY NOT:

- We are not in a position to afford a war unless India tries to attack an integral part of Pakistan.

- Pakistan is not sure whether or not the Kashmiri people really want to live with Pakistan; Now the harsh reality! We tried to liberate Kashmiri in all three wars with India and they [Kashmiris] without a second thought decided to side with India and betrayed Pakistan Army.

- We are ready to sacrifice everything to help them. Who is there to help Pakistan? All the world has turned their back on us even our so-called Ummah Chummah are the biggest trader with India.

- The majority of the Kashmiris from IoK wants independence. They don't want to be a part of Pakistan or India at all. they want to be a sovereign state having their own identity. We talk about Azad Kashmir, no outsider has the right to purchase land in Azad Kashmir. This is absolutely disgusting as we consider Azad Kashmir as a part of Pakistan but the rules are completely different from the rest of Pakistan.


Personally, I fully support our Govt and Military leadership to wait for the right time to strike India or we force them to attack first!

 

[Preacher]

- Pakistan helped Arabs in 1967 and 1973 war against Israel.
- Pakistan helped Bosnia in 1992-3 war against Europe.
- Pakistan helped Kuwait in 1991 war against Iraq.
- Pakistan helped Turkey in their Independence war.
- Pakistan helped Afghanistan in 1980 to get rid of of Russian occupation.
- Pakistan helping Azerbijan in their territorial conflict with Arminea. Pakistan is the only country which do not accept Armenia as a country.
- Pakistan helped Saudia when khawarij capture the Hijazy muqadas. Pervaz Musharaf lead this operation.
- Pakistan helped UAE when shah of Iran threatened to remove UAE from the world.
- Pakistan helped Iran when they were fighting with Sistani fighters.
- Pakistan help Sri-lanka when they were fighting with Tamil tigers.
- Pakistan helped Egypt in their 6 days war against Israel.
- Pakistan helped USA in Black Hawak Down operations when their thousands of soldiers were close to death. We saved them. Malaysian forces also there for help.
- Pakistan is the 3rd largest contributor in UN peacekeeping mission.
- Pakistan was the first country who accepted china as a country. And send its ambassador to china. Pakistan also helps them by provide them basic need like planes, busses, food and other things at that time. Thats y china always support Pakistan and also thats y Pakistan and China is the best friends.
On the other hand:
- Pakistani mujahideens successfully get 1/3 part of Kashmir from India in 1947 on the order of Quaid-e-Azam.
- Pakistan won 1965 war against India.
Pakistan also holds the world record of Air fighter. MM Alam successfully shot down 6 Indian jets in less then 1 minute in 1965 war.
- Pakistan won Kargil war(1999) but failed to get Kashmir coz of USA and Nawaz sharif . But still we have some highest peaks which we captured in 1999.
Recently Pakistan has resolved the KSA-IRAN conflict in the Lead of Raheel shareef.
Pakistan is again resolving the Taliban-Afghan Govt Issues with multiple parties.
Pakistan is behaving in a more Responsible way than anticipated by western Countries.

Enough for Pakistanis to proud of our open heart and our care for Muslims.

 

[B.K.N]

But we are also heart broken when we dont get the same purity of response. Plz tell us how to feel in this case ?

Please delete your post

 

[Assange]

It seems Arabic countries are split when it comes to India

https://www.firstpost.com/india/uae...ns-are-countrys-internal-matters-7120501.html

 

[Preacher]

Please delete your post

With due respect sir I do really want to hear what others members think.... Its not allowed to discuss?

 

[B.K.N]

With due respect sir I do really want to hear what others members think.... Its not allowed to discuss?

After some days you would say Pakistan helped India in crushing Kashmiri resistance Pakistan helped Saudi Arabia in Yemen Pakistan helped Syria and Iraq in fighting Isis

 

[War Thunder]

Please delete your post

Why should people keep or delete posts as and how you want? this is not the first time I'm seeing this comment from you on some one's post. So your little stupid mind and what it accepts and doesn't has to dictate what people should and should not post here? He made his case, now you make yours if you carry logic instead of asking him to delete his post. Besides "who the hell" are you to ask anyone to delete their post in the first place, without putting a valid reason on the table?

 

[AdeelMian]

All due respect to the all the members ( as i am junior to all) i ve been watching since 3 days not a single one pointed out the hard facts rather fighting on petty issues. title of this thread allows me to ask a question, and my question is,
1.were we not prepared for this decision, if no than we are incompetent
2. if we anticipated this(most probably) why did we not prepared the specific responce(Not talking about war declaration rather claiming this action of india as a declaration of war and produce practical show of power and convince the world that we will not take it easy) i mean atleast create a panic in the world that india did something un acceptable while maintaining the red line.
3. after clear statement from indian side about AJK & GB should we still wait for the formal declaration of war.
4. so now every one knows that india acted according to thier relegious belief and scripture should we start consulting about the scenario according to our scriptures and do accordingly, i mean how true thier scripture is we know that and still they adhere to it in contrast there is no doubt in any body's mind about our scriptures but we still deny it .

please all the member i will be obliged to get these questions answered in a rational manner. and i also expect our gvt to answer these questions in today's NSC meeting. by the way any news about that?

 

[pakpride00090]

Re-posting. (Rated Negative)
I am not sure if PDF is the actual reflection of Pakistan's kaum. If it is, then feel really sorry for Pakistan as a nation. What has come of you guys? Will eat grass for Bombs......will bleed by thousand cuts.....Gazwah-e-hind....
You wanted to tie down india in Kashmir, USSR and USA in Afghanistan, become champions of Ummah......look at you now. You were the wonder of asia, most promising economy. I have met few of you in mid eighties as part of youth exchange and was very much impressed by whatever Pakistan was till then.
Only thing that works well in Pakistan is Army and when it is said that Pakistan does not have a Army but Pakistan Army has a Nation, it is not far from truth. Without your Army, you will be eaten up by your corrupt Polity and Bureaucrats. You have failed to bring in political, bureaucratic and judicial reforms (We too have not covered ourselves in glory here, but much better), price of which is being paid by common folks.
You should have stopped right there post 1998. PAF was right in advocating curtailment of mil expenses in early nineties. Whole gamut of warfare changed since then (Missiles/Anti-missiles). There was never an existential threat to Pakistan (Bangladesh was your own folly) and existing resources were good enough to halt any Indian Adventurism. After Asian Crisis, you had a wonderful opportunity to redeem yourself as an economic powerhouse (India did). Karachi could have been the East-West Intermediary of Financial Markets bridging Asia and Europe but you guys were too drunk to look beyond Afghanistan and initial success of Jihadism in Kashmir. Your Army made a fool of you all along (USSR breakup, Afghanistan depth, Kashmir) and made you believe Kashmir banega Pakistan. Had you guys corrected course then, you would have been atleast 5 times of what you are today.
Do you seriously think you can take Kashmir and break India into pieces? You always said that we will tie down India at Kashmir and prevent its rise/hegemony. Who is in knots now? You guys have fallen hostage to ideology that Kashmir is everything (Spine of Pakistan- in words of Jinnah Saheb) and are madly willing to risk everything left with.
Move on guys, Politicians, Army, ISI, RAW, Cheen, Amreekaa will keep playing their little games to keep themselves relevant at the cost of us gullible(fodders).
Kashmir is going nowhere, kashmiris are going nowhere, Pakistan will there forever and India is not imploding. Make good of whatever life is dealing you and stay happy.

@waz @Dubious @Eagle

He is spamming this all over PDF.

 

[FalconStar]

We claimed IHK for the last 70 years

You mean IOK(Indian Occupied Kashmir) or you sticking with "HELD".
Very different meaning.

 

[pakpride00090]

Apologies.

No apologies.. Only ban hammer.

@waz @Dubious @Eagle... he is spamming every where.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

- Pakistan helped Arabs in 1967 and 1973 war against Israel.
- Pakistan helped Bosnia in 1992-3 war against Europe.
- Pakistan helped Kuwait in 1991 war against Iraq.
- Pakistan helped Turkey in their Independence war.
- Pakistan helped Afghanistan in 1980 to get rid of of Russian occupation.
- Pakistan helping Azerbijan in their territorial conflict with Arminea. Pakistan is the only country which do not accept Armenia as a country.
- Pakistan helped Saudia when khawarij capture the Hijazy muqadas. Pervaz Musharaf lead this operation.
- Pakistan helped UAE when shah of Iran threatened to remove UAE from the world.
- Pakistan helped Iran when they were fighting with Sistani fighters.
- Pakistan help Sri-lanka when they were fighting with Tamil tigers.
- Pakistan helped Egypt in their 6 days war against Israel.
- Pakistan helped USA in Black Hawak Down operations when their thousands of soldiers were close to death. We saved them. Malaysian forces also there for help.
- Pakistan is the 3rd largest contributor in UN peacekeeping mission.
- Pakistan was the first country who accepted china as a country. And send its ambassador to china. Pakistan also helps them by provide them basic need like planes, busses, food and other things at that time. Thats y china always support Pakistan and also thats y Pakistan and China is the best friends.
On the other hand:
- Pakistani mujahideens successfully get 1/3 part of Kashmir from India in 1947 on the order of Quaid-e-Azam.
- Pakistan won 1965 war against India.
Pakistan also holds the world record of Air fighter. MM Alam successfully shot down 6 Indian jets in less then 1 minute in 1965 war.
- Pakistan won Kargil war(1999) but failed to get Kashmir coz of USA and Nawaz sharif . But still we have some highest peaks which we captured in 1999.
Recently Pakistan has resolved the KSA-IRAN conflict in the Lead of Raheel shareef.
Pakistan is again resolving the Taliban-Afghan Govt Issues with multiple parties.
Pakistan is behaving in a more Responsible way than anticipated by western Countries.

Enough for Pakistanis to proud of our open heart and our care for Muslims.

My poor attempt at converting some of this data into pictorial form

 

[B.K.N]

My poor attempt at converting some of this data into pictorial form

Pakistan helped Iran when they were fighting against Iraq

 

[HRK]

- The majority of the Kashmiris from IoK wants independence. They don't want to be a part of Pakistan or India at all. they want to be a sovereign state having their own identity.

and how have you come to this conclusion ....???

 

[Psychic]

Re-posting. (Rated Negative)
I am not sure if PDF is the actual reflection of Pakistan's kaum. If it is, then feel really sorry for Pakistan as a nation. What has come of you guys? Will eat grass for Bombs......will bleed by thousand cuts.....Gazwah-e-hind....
You wanted to tie down india in Kashmir, USSR and USA in Afghanistan, become champions of Ummah......look at you now. You were the wonder of asia, most promising economy. I have met few of you in mid eighties as part of youth exchange and was very much impressed by whatever Pakistan was till then.
Only thing that works well in Pakistan is Army and when it is said that Pakistan does not have a Army but Pakistan Army has a Nation, it is not far from truth. Without your Army, you will be eaten up by your corrupt Polity and Bureaucrats. You have failed to bring in political, bureaucratic and judicial reforms (We too have not covered ourselves in glory here, but much better), price of which is being paid by common folks.
You should have stopped right there post 1998. PAF was right in advocating curtailment of mil expenses in early nineties. Whole gamut of warfare changed since then (Missiles/Anti-missiles). There was never an existential threat to Pakistan (Bangladesh was your own folly) and existing resources were good enough to halt any Indian Adventurism. After Asian Crisis, you had a wonderful opportunity to redeem yourself as an economic powerhouse (India did). Karachi could have been the East-West Intermediary of Financial Markets bridging Asia and Europe but you guys were too drunk to look beyond Afghanistan and initial success of Jihadism in Kashmir. Your Army made a fool of you all along (USSR breakup, Afghanistan depth, Kashmir) and made you believe Kashmir banega Pakistan. Had you guys corrected course then, you would have been atleast 5 times of what you are today.
Do you seriously think you can take Kashmir and break India into pieces? You always said that we will tie down India at Kashmir and prevent its rise/hegemony. Who is in knots now? You guys have fallen hostage to ideology that Kashmir is everything (Spine of Pakistan- in words of Jinnah Saheb) and are madly willing to risk everything left with.
Move on guys, Politicians, Army, ISI, RAW, Cheen, Amreekaa will keep playing their little games to keep themselves relevant at the cost of us gullible(fodders).
Kashmir is going nowhere, kashmiris are going nowhere, Pakistan will there forever and India is not imploding. Make good of whatever life is dealing you and stay happy.

Blah blah blah blah and blah.

and how have you come to this conclusion ....???

Perhaps his excellency held a referendum.