A Saudi-to-Israel oil pipeline can save the world

[Pakistani E]

achieve it Jinnah and his followers relied on deception, sectarian violence, and majoritarian theft,

@WebMaster @Horus @waz @Jungibaaz

WTF is this Sh*t? How is this guy still not banned?

 

[Solomon2]

Well, something which is quite clear -

You've accepted that the specifics are distorted but you're still accepting their argument. It is not logical but it is a common condition of victims of "Big Lie" propaganda.

...people in here are desperate to Recognize Israel but they don't have any reason to do so...

You've missed the moral imperative. That will be a great weapon at destroying terrorists and strengthening Pakistani democracy and freedoms.

Did i denied that PROPHET MOSSES PROPHET JESUS was messangers of ALLAH -

Now that history and propaganda have failed to sustain the anti-Zionist argument, the biased religious argument pops up. That is, SF has to go back 1400 years to find something to condemn the current generation of Zionists with.

 

[truthseer]

@Solomon2 ran away after I showed Israel commits genocide and Zionists want to kill babies

 

[Solomon2]

...relationship of any kind with Israel is impossible that's what I am saying. ..And you are right I have an Evil in my heart but only against Zionists and their followers -

That's what you have to overcome. The embrace of lies to justify slandering, killing, and robbing the innocent while giving a pass to guilty criminals is also destroying your society. What better way to reverse it than by admitting fault and embracing the Jews of Israel?

if you are trying to tell me that cursing Zionists and their agendas is not a just course than I must say -

As pointed out earlier, the Pakistani establishment has declared you have no right to your own say in the matter, you're only allowed to ape the anti-Israel cause. It is an embarrassment.

....I can't tolerate your comments in here, and imagine if I meet you in person how am I going to bare you in front of me at all?

Proud people do have trouble changing their minds. It is a big problem for everyone.

I haven't gone through the Pakistani education system, government or private. I was born and brought up outside Pakistan and free from whatever notions you might have of its education sytem.

That's not the same thing as being free from the notions of Pakistan's education system, sir.

Any question that an Israeli can not answer, anything that is based on ethics or righteousness or anything that attempts to shed light on Israel's claim to legitimacy inherently has zero moral standing.

And when an Israeli or Jew CAN answer these things and Muslims have no response but go back to repeating their slanders, who is left with moral standing, exactly?

 

[Hellfire]

Did i denied that PROPHET MOSSES PROPHET JESUS was messangers of ALLAH

I asked where is it written, as claimed by you!

 

[Solomon2]

@WebMaster @Horus @waz @Jungibaaz

WTF is this Sh*t? How is this guy still not banned?

Note I expressed these statements as opinion, not fact.

 

[Hellfire]

I know you can read but can you understand what i meant by my posts? I hope not,
Animosity and Opposing someone on ideological basis are two different things. And I am not the policy maker of this country. I have my own opinion like everyone have.I am against Israel on Ideological basis but Animosity is only specific for India. It is you who thinks Nuking Israel is the solution of ongoing Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza and Other Israeli occupied territories. Why you Indians are so desperate to see the Annihilation of Israel by Pakistani Nukes?

Neither do I think nor did I ever say it is a solution. Have simply been observing your statements. And as for the remainder of your statement, your antithetical statements were the reason which drew me to quote you. Your views you have a right to and everyone should and does respect that. Am not denying that , but instead trying to decipher what you mean with your statements.
As for the bold part, your statement of your tactical nukes is flawed as there is never a tactical strike in CBRN weapons. So your concept is itself flawed. And I, for one, never espouse use of these weapons ever. We have many threads where in I have amply clarified the Indian response to your use of 'tactical' weapons ... read in Cold Start discussion threads.

Thanks

@WebMaster @Horus @waz @Jungibaaz

WTF is this Sh*t? How is this guy still not banned?

Its not as if its blasphemy!

 

[haviZsultan]

@WebMaster @Horus @waz @Jungibaaz

WTF is this Sh*t? How is this guy still not banned?

The bold part as Pakistani Exile pointed out is an outright lie.

Secularism was one of the core principles of Jinnah and he only started opposing Congress when it became clear they had no interest in securing basic rights of the various minorities. That included Parsis Ahmedis and Christians rather than just Muslims. In fact a famous speech by Jinnah he invited Sikh leaders to join Pakistan which was refused. The movement of Goan Christians and Delhi Parsis to what became Pakistan including one Hindu Muslim League veteran named Jogindar Nath Mandal proves that Pakistan was not just an idea floated for muslims but for all people who felt their basic rights had been impinged by India.

The similarity between Israel and Pakistan is only that they were meant to be to a certain extent a safe haven for Jews/Muslims who felt oppressed by the ruling movement/party/group. The purpose was never to create a Mullah state for either. The similarities end here.

Don't blame your interference and conjunction with the Mullahs like Zia Ul Haq and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto but blame that on the psyche of Pakistanis. And please. I would favor better ties with Iran any day as it can stand on its feet and is at least not funding wahabi madrassas which creates suicide bombers in Pakistan.

Saudi policy and its execution of Nimr proves it is far from a liberal and human rights observant state these articles promote just to see a Saudi Israeli alliance against any state that opposes it. A basic question to ask is why Israel is allowed to keep nukes and Iran not.

Regardless of this Pakistan's role should be not to take sides and bridge the dispute between Shia and Sunni. A responsible state does not take sides in senseless conflict.

 

[Solomon2]

The bold part as Pakistani Exile pointed out is an outright lie. Secularism was one of the core principles of Jinnah and he only started opposing Congress when it became clear they had no interest in securing basic rights of the various minorities -

Didn't Jinnah himself make sure to circumvent the nascent (but still British-officered) Pakistan Army to bring violence against non-Muslim Hindus, expel them from Pakistan, and seize their property?

The similarity between Israel and Pakistan is only that they were meant to be to a certain extent a safe haven for Jews/Muslims who felt oppressed by the ruling movement/party/group. The purpose was never to create a Mullah state for either.

No, that's what modern Israel turned out to be but the Mandate of Palestine was set up after WWI as part of the break-up of three defeated empires into component nation-states. The decision of Arabs to oppress and expel the Jews was the Arabs and it was actually forbidden - that is, it was illegitimate - under the same Mandate: Jews, no matter where they were, were supposed to keep their civil and property rights, just as they had under the Ottomans.

Putting an end to Israeli occupation also save the world.

Go ahead and make a thread of your own - be sure to put in any supporting arguments you can find.

 

[RazorMC]

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That's not the same thing as being free from the notions of Pakistan's education system, sir.

And when an Israeli or Jew CAN answer these things and Muslims have no response but go back to repeating their slanders, who is left with moral standing, exactly?

You blame the HEC for what Pakistanis think of Israel. When informed that I was not part of that system of education, you still will not believe that anyone can be critical of Israel. If Israel has acceptable policies, then what was wrong with Saddam or Gaddafi or Hitler?

What answers can you present without resorting to blaming others?

 

[Atlanticore]

Neither do I think nor did I ever say it is a solution. Have simply been observing your statements. And as for the remainder of your statement, your antithetical statements were the reason which drew me to quote you. Your views you have a right to and everyone should and does respect that. Am not denying that , but instead trying to decipher what you mean with your statements.
As for the bold part, your statement of your tactical nukes is flawed as there is never a tactical strike in CBRN weapons. So your concept is itself flawed. And I, for one, never espouse use of these weapons ever. We have many threads where in I have amply clarified the Indian response to your use of 'tactical' weapons ... read in Cold Start discussion threads.

Off Topic. First Nukes, and Now Tactical Nukes. One piece of advice for you, never jump in other's discussions when you don't have anything logical to say about the topic.
Peace

 

[Solomon2]

You blame the HEC for what Pakistanis think of Israel. When informed that I was not part of that system of education -

That's not exactly what you wrote, sir. You wrote that you were free of my conception of Pakistan's education. Through your family and associates, you may not have escaped the influence of Pakistan's education establishment yourself.

If Israel has acceptable policies, then what was wrong with Saddam or Gaddafi or Hitler?

If that's the comparison you're making then it sure looks like you're dominated by a wildly inaccurate conception of Israel that isn't supported by facts.

 

[kollang]

Didn't Jinnah himself make sure to circumvent the nascent (but still British-officered) Pakistan Army to bring violence against non-Muslim Hindus, expel them from Pakistan, and seize their property?

No, that's what modern Israel turned out to be but the Mandate of Palestine was set up after WWI as part of the break-up of three defeated empires into component nation-states. The decision of Arabs to oppress and expel the Jews was the Arabs and it was actually forbidden - that is, it was illegitimate - under the same Mandate: Jews, no matter where they were, were supposed to keep their civil and property rights, just as they had under the Ottomans.

Go ahead and make a thread of your own - be sure to put in any supporting arguments you can find.

I feel so comfortable in this thread, friend.

the fact is Israel is the reason for almost all wars in the ME. on the other hand, Iran has never started a war since 200 to 300 years ago.actually Israel's existence equals to instability and chaos in ME. your Iranophobia agenda always sucks.

 

[RazorMC]

That's not exactly what you wrote, sir. You wrote that you were free of my conception of Pakistan's education. Through your family and associates, you may not have escaped the influence of Pakistan's education establishment yourself.

If that's the comparison you're making then it sure looks like you're dominated by a wildly inaccurate conception of Israel that isn't supported by facts.

My views on Israel differ from those of my relatives, friends and family. Just letting you know.

On the second part: Enlighten me then, sir.

 

[Solomon2]

I feel so comfortable in this thread, friend.

the fact is Israel is the reason for almost all wars in the ME -

Specifically, it's the rejection of Israel that has been responsible for many wars in the ME. Without the rejection - with the continuation of Western-style civil and property rights of the last century of the Ottoman period - there would not be such wars.