A REAL SOLUTION OF KARACHI BY PERVAIZ MUSAHARF?

[airmarshal]

In mushi's rule there were target killing but of only political workers which were harmful for mqm. These days all the ruthless terrorists are using target killing tool against political and non-political people. ppp govt gave a free hand to all. mqm is an inspiration for every terrorist organisation in learning to collect bhatta and kill. and yes bhatta carried on in late 90s too but on a lower level.

The rich traditions of bhatta and gun violence were brought us by MQM.

 

[airmarshal]

If i start giving proofs will you be able to bring the killed back to life ? ???? will you ? you people ask for proofs as if altaf is your savior and after him your life will be ruined. you posted 6 lines related to the thing which i never wrote , self assumption, self praise and self devotion.
altaf's reality is known to those who either work for him or who have suffered directly or indirectly because of his terrorist tanzeem. AB THORA DOZE URDU MAI MULAHIZA FERMAIYAY

Jis tanzeem k log patang bananay k liay kapra aur lohay k pole tak bhattay pe lete hon aap un se aman ki tawaqqo rakhte hain ?

jis tanzeem k log jhanday bananay k liay kafan ki dukan se kapra utha lain aap un se aman aur taraqqi mang rahay hain ?

jis tanzeem k log apne hi karkunan ka qatal karain aur kahain k ye BHAI SE BUHAT SAWAL KARTA THA , aap un se insaf ki tawaqqo rakhte hain ?

jis tanzeem k logon ne 90s mai punjabi aur sindhi bhaiyyon ko shanakht kar kar k mara aap un se falahi kaam expect kartay hain ?

jis tanzeem k logon ne bhatta culture, target killing, bori band lashon ka tohfa mulk ko dia aap un se aman ki tawaqqo rakhte hain ?

Mahajiron k huqooq k naam pe bannay wali tanzeem ne mahajiron ko sab se ziada nuqsaan pohanchaya. Mahajiron ka qatal e aam kar k khud hi rona.

Remember ALLAH dekh raha hai aur ALLAH tala sab se bara munsif hai.

Any one who wants proof , just go through 90s jung archives and PTV's archives.
And for people who know what i am talking about please pray for the martyred.

these MQM sympathisers will never understand. I have seen all this in front of me. Koi sunne sunayey baat naheen hai.

 

[SQ8]

funny logic!
why cant this govt can do the same thing?
what was the fedrl reserves at the time musharaf rule, & what is the current condition of our fedr reserves now?
no you cant bring just prapoganda to counter the reality!

Because this government no longer has the conditions to do the same, You see attempts by them to rate the economy higher through consumerism.. hasnt worked..mostly because of immense corruption throughout.
Musharraf's initial three years under those technocrats were a godsend.. those people were able to extract the maximum out of the market through allowing local business to thrive. The telecom and media boom also helped, investments poured in..borrowing from banks became easier,the US also relaxed restrictions.. and gave aid...oil was heavily subsidized.. and people went crazy buying...and local traders thrived.. Karachi was on its way to be the next Dubai.. except one built on trade and consumerism.
However, comes the global recession, terror attacks.. and all the trade, investment..dried up.. with no industry or infrastructure to fall back on.. the economy starts crumbling.. People like Shortcut sb took their slice and ran.. and the Dictator found himself without any friends... Follow this up with a government headed by a man already famous years before as mr ten percent(for go knows what reason its even a fair comparison) and the finances of the state were bound to go down.
If it was all due to the general's brilliance.. this economy would have survived by the end of his rule.. which it did not.
Consumerism has its end, people cant just spend money buying stuff from abroad...and even local consumerism has its limits.

Musharraf worked no miracle.. his technocrats did.. and that too was a fools paradise.
Musharraf could have done the Kalabagh dam and accepted a bit of risk to his seat.. but no.. his seat was prime in his head.
He could have stopped people from spending millions on a fountain in karachi whose parts are regularly stolen and instead spent on a desalinization plant or power plant.. but no...he wanted to show off.
He could have spend the millions he threw on that ugly thing called the Pakistan monument .. but no.. he wanted a statement.
War's are not cheap, Musharraf had no need to build monuments.. or fountains.. or allow the encouragement of a consumer based economy when most of the land and people were being ignored in this development apart from urban center's.
All that happened was that some middle class moved higher.. while others joined the poor.

Hence, His rule is little different from Ayub Khan's economic boom.. all fueled by USAID funds..where he had his 22 families who were the so called base of his "surging" economy claim.. Musharraf has his urban consumerism(and many more elite)..

India on the other hand.. has actual growth for us to see.. actual integration despite many more ethnicity than just five or six warring ones like us. Compare Musharraf to something like that then...instead of a corrupt government we all know about.
Btw.. how did Musharraf afford a flat in Kensington , Even as a General in the Pakistan Army who are well off... Kensington flat prices start at £1.5 million(five years ago)..and the place where he has it is much higher.
I suppose he could just get that Farmhouse on the best land in Islamabad if he sold all the land and investment made during his tenure in the Army.. but the flat??
Im not implying that he made his millions(along with Shaukat Aziz) by manipulating the local stock market but really.. He must have made some really good investments to be able to afford such a place... After all.. Zardari has a lot of places like that.. but then we know he is corrupt and 10% and what not..
How did Musharraf do that? He is an Army officer.. and they are never corrupt(blasphemy).

 

[muse]

How did Musharraf do that?

Oscar

His book, his public appearances, speeches - and of course he also has friends around the world


Just my opinion but I think we make mountains out of mole hills - PPP or PML-N, it's has always been govt by them, of them, and for them -- this is no secret, they got the vote, Pakistan is there's to loot or do whatever with - That's what democracy means right? at least in Pakistan - Awaam khush hai, please trust this, because if it was not it would have at least responded right? It's not as if some Firengi is making fun of the brobhet?

 

[airmarshal]

Hence, His rule is little different from Ayub Khan's economic boom.. all fueled by USAID funds..where he had his 22 families who were the so called base of his "surging" economy claim.. Musharraf has his urban consumerism(and many more elite)..

Btw.. how did Musharraf afford a flat in Kensington , Even as a General in the Pakistan Army who are well off... Kensington flat prices start at £1.5 million(five years ago)..and the place where he has it is much higher.
I suppose he could just get that Farmhouse on the best land in Islamabad if he sold all the land and investment made during his tenure in the Army.. but the flat??

How did Musharraf do that? He is an Army officer.. and they are never corrupt(blasphemy).

First of all dont question army because that will be against the 'national interest'.

If you want to see Musharraf the real leader, see how he handled his self created crisis after March 9, 2007. Then you will see a confused, blabbering leader who made almost all wrong decisions under pressure.

I m thankful that Pakistan did not go to a war under his command. But we did join a war, the consequences of which we are still suffering and will continue to suffer.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Disliking smaller evil does not mean liking an even bigger evil. I have no sympathies or alliance with any political party, I have too much self respect to ever like a chracterless politician. Compared to Zardari I dislike Musharraf less. Musharaf has some good things in him, he is blunt and straight just like me, but he lied to the nation on drone strikes, he gave too much leeway to amercans to the point of them attacking, killing an dhumiliating Pakistanis. The most I dislike about Musharraf and ewhich I will never forgive is attacking Lal Masjid and killing hundreds of innocent people there. there was absolutely no need to use phospphorous bombs. You cut out water, electricity , gas, supplies and either they would have walked out themselves in 12/15 days or illed themselves. there was no need to attack a Masjid, a place of worship in Islamic Republic of Pakistan gain US approval /pat.

That act failed him as a person sitting on top taking much diffult and sensitive decisions.. He may be good but not good enough for the toop position. If NS was a criminal why was henot punished and let go to KSA. Why did he passed NRO to allow criminals like Zardari to get elected and ruin this nation? These decisions prove that he was not acting in the best interest of Pakistan.

So in front of you Zardari is better ryt? lmao

 

[The Green1]

i just know one thing, no single political party in this country has clean hands?
all of them are criminals in some way, but we count the votes & performence, MQM has the mandate of karachi & if you hve a crazy wish that someone some how bring a militry force & kill all the MQM members instantly thn sorry you need to go see a mental doctor, hurry up!
i dont need to know whts happened in 90s till 99 over there ,i was a serving personal there , i hve got dam better knowledge thn of the so called newspapers so, stop oneway hate propaganda!

All i know that traitors can never become patriots, mqm's leader is a traitor. Getting rid of mqm for you might be a crazy wish but each and every soul living in karachi wants to get rid of mqm. bloody rapists, killers , extortionists, they stay in govt just to black mail the fed govt and stay in power.
As for you being well informed, i highly doubt that .. The number of coffins sent to punjab in 90s decade who can remember that ? i request my PUNJABI BROTHERS not to let mqm enter in punjab "DHUNAEE LAGAO IN KI " they will ruin that province.
Azeem tariq's murderer has now become a senator [ former mayor ] mustafa kamal, salay unit k bahar jharoo martay thay ye thi inki auqaat.
YOU are no personel, you are a dis-informed cyber poop inspired by mustafa kamal's bridges and under passes whose 20% contruction cost was sent to altaf in london as institutional bhatta.
If you call the facts propaganda then yes it is indeed a propaganda and it is 1000 better than yours.
It is because of mqm now baloch people hate urdu speaking, sindhi nationalists hate us and pakhtoons dont like us in karachi. Such is the hatred gift altaf has given to the urdu speaking.

 

[The Green1]

Mushi in his first 3 years was really good. He kept politicians away from power, made economy grow but he forgot a few things on his way. The real backbone of economy are industries which create the economic circle, he didnt focus on that. He was a powerful general he could have made Kala bagh dam and many other dams but he didnt. His four biggest mistakes

1. Giving an open play ground for media.
2. Laal masjid operation
3. Attack on judiciary which gave us kana dajjal CJ
4. NRO

 

[batmannow]

All i know that traitors can never become patriots, mqm's leader is a traitor. Getting rid of mqm for you might be a crazy wish but each and every soul living in karachi wants to get rid of mqm. bloody rapists, killers , extortionists, they stay in govt just to black mail the fed govt and stay in power.
As for you being well informed, i highly doubt that .. The number of coffins sent to punjab in 90s decade who can remember that ? i request my PUNJABI BROTHERS not to let mqm enter in punjab "DHUNAEE LAGAO IN KI " they will ruin that province.
Azeem tariq's murderer has now become a senator [ former mayor ] mustafa kamal, salay unit k bahar jharoo martay thay ye thi inki auqaat.
YOU are no personel, you are a dis-informed cyber poop inspired by mustafa kamal's bridges and under passes whose 20% contruction cost was sent to altaf in london as institutional bhatta.
If you call the facts propaganda then yes it is indeed a propaganda and it is 1000 better than yours.
It is because of mqm now baloch people hate urdu speaking, sindhi nationalists hate us and pakhtoons dont like us in karachi. Such is the hatred gift altaf has given to the urdu speaking.

Thanks for eithic hate bassed , inflaming ethnic firy prapoganda which u already have accepted!
This hate of urs which u just hve showen us, is the real bassis of problem here, & see a political motive behind it, so keep trying u hve this so-called azad adlia go give them all the charge sheet against MQM & wait for the result?
But by wiping out a major political group from karachi by initiating a genocide just because u hate them isn't there in comming 100 years?
U can keep singing this hate song of ur,s as long as u want but it will never bring any peace at all in karachi, for solving karachi problem. U need a neutral power who gives everyone equal level of responsibility, & am talking about only the major political parties with the mandate in karachi!

 

[batmannow]

TTP claims responsibility for Karachi, Pindi blasts
DAWN.COM and Zahir Shah Sherazi | 10 mins ago 0




PESHAWAR: Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan while talking to Dawn.com on Thursday, said that the TTP was responsible for the blasts carried out a day earlier near Imambargahs in Rawalpindi and Karachi.

While giving details of the attacks Ahsan said that the organisation had carried out a suicide blast in Rawalpindi whereas the twin explosions in Karachi were planted bombs.

The statement came after the TTP had claimed responsibility for two earlier blasts on the same day in Bannu amd Shangla areas, bringing the tally of cities targeted on Wednesday to four.

In an unrelated incident a minor blast took place in Jamrud near the same spot where a Nato driver was killed a day earlier.

Contruction workers on the New Torkham highway found a pressure-cooker bomb while conducting digging work in the area. The bomb disposal squad (BDS) reached the spot and defused the bomb.


Mastermind of GPO blast released
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2012/11/22/city/lahore/mastermind-of-gpo-blast-released/
STAFF REPORT 3 hrs ago
LAHORE - Anti-terrorism Court on Wednesday released the alleged mastermind of Lahore GPO chowk blast.A suicide bomber had blown himself up in 2008 near GPO Chowk killing 10 police officials. Police had arrested the mastermind of the attack, Shahzad Ahmed, and had registered a case against him as per Terrorist Act. The trial continued for four years in the Lahore anti-terrorism court. After the completion of all arguments by the lawyers of the parties, the court released the accused on the basis of insufficient evidences.




Six ‘terrorists’ hanged in mass Afghan executions
From the Newspaper | 4 hours ago

http://dawn.com/2012/11/22/six-terrorists-hanged-in-mass-afghan-executions/



KABUL: Afghanistan on Wednesday executed six “criminals and terrorists”, an official said, a day after eight other death row prisoners were hanged in rare mass executions in the war-wracked country.

The Taliban had warned there would be reprisals if any of their militants were executed.

President Hamid Karzai approved the executions of the six who were sentenced to death “on charges of terror, conducting attacks, explosions and organising suicide attacks”, a government spokesman said in a statement.

The Taliban, who are fighting the Karzai government and 100,000 Nato troops, said if what they called prisoners of war were executed there would be “heavy repercussions” for government officials.

It urged the United Nations, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, the Red Cross and international rights groups to prevent the executions.

The Taliban, ousted from power by a US-led invasion in 2001, were notorious for executing people in public for crimes,
including adultery. The executions were often carried out at half-time during games in the main football stadium in Kabul.

The European Union and international rights groups condemned Afghanistan’s execution of the first eight prisoners – described as murderers, kidnappers and rapists – and urged Kabul to drop plans to hang any more.

“The Afghan government should end its sudden surge of executions and institute a moratorium on further executions,” Human Rights Watch said.

“The weakness of the Afghan legal system and the routine failure of courts to meet international fair trial standards make Afghanistan’s use of the death penalty especially troubling,” it said.

Amnesty International also assailed the Afghan government for executions. The EU mission in Afghanistan called on the government to commute all death sentences and to reintroduce a moratorium on executions as a first step towards abolishing capital punishment.

The government’s emailed statement attached pictures of the men who were hanged and a description of the crimes for which they were convicted.

Three of the men were found guilty of organising suicide attacks in Kabul that killed eight people, two for murdering two Afghan UN employees and one for killing three provincial education officials and eight border police personnel.

The Kabul attacks included the deaths of two foreigners and a young Afghan girl in Kabul’s famed Chicken Street, a popular
shopping area for expatriates, the statement said.

It was not immediately clear when the attacks took place or how long the men had been on death row.—AFP

 

[moha199]

Bat some people are just oblivious from reality, they don't wanna hear, they don't wanna see, they are dumb deaf and blind. You might have remember me i am one of the oldest member's of this forum, many threats are still used up to today. We are true Pakistani. we defended Pakistan on this forum from none Pakistanis when no one was coming to defend Pakistan on social media but many of us stopped using this forum because how can we fight our own Pakistanis! How can we go against Allah's plan? Allah has put kufal on their hearts and Allah is punishing them with Zardari and may Allah punish them Yahood nasara's agents IK. As far as Musharraf is concern, people hate him because no one is there int he history of Pakistan who has done so good to Pakistan. these are today's kids jumping on this forum, their problem is terrorism bread milk, electricity absence of Law and order absolute failing of governance. Where as during Musharraf's time Pakistan's problems were how to make much clean water, how to give more rights to minorities, women. how to create more Jobs, how to go to space. as we were planing how to go ICBM in 2006, when Musharraf declared that 2008 will be a year of space for Pakistan. our aims were how to get rid of F16s problems and build our own jets such as JF17, tanks? Alkhalid al zarrar Alkhalid2, nuclear? Pakistan was working on fusion bomb. how All changed when We lost him. After losing him we are brought back to stone age with the help of CJ Dajal Justice, etc and last nail was nailed by IK which knows everything but just acting like punk. lastly. When Allah decide to destroy a nation he give them freedom and then that nation go beyond the limits of freedom and then Allah send his wrath on them, these are not my words but Quranic words go check and this is what we are going through. Go Imran Khan, Go Blind Go nawaz and Zardari. Pakistan ka khuda he hafiz

 

[batmannow]

Because this government no longer has the conditions to do the same, You see attempts by them to rate the economy higher through consumerism.. hasnt worked..mostly because of immense corruption throughout.
Musharraf's initial three years under those technocrats were a godsend.. those people were able to extract the maximum out of the market through allowing local business to thrive. The telecom and media boom also helped, investments poured in..borrowing from banks became easier,the US also relaxed restrictions.. and gave aid...oil was heavily subsidized.. and people went crazy buying...and local traders thrived.. Karachi was on its way to be the next Dubai.. except one built on trade and consumerism.
However, comes the global recession, terror attacks.. and all the trade, investment..dried up.. with no industry or infrastructure to fall back on.. the economy starts crumbling.. People like Shortcut sb took their slice and ran.. and the Dictator found himself without any friends... Follow this up with a government headed by a man already famous years before as mr ten percent(for go knows what reason its even a fair comparison) and the finances of the state were bound to go down.
If it was all due to the general's brilliance.. this economy would have survived by the end of his rule.. which it did not.
Consumerism has its end, people cant just spend money buying stuff from abroad...and even local consumerism has its limits.

Musharraf worked no miracle.. his technocrats did.. and that too was a fools paradise.
Musharraf could have done the Kalabagh dam and accepted a bit of risk to his seat.. but no.. his seat was prime in his head.
He could have stopped people from spending millions on a fountain in karachi whose parts are regularly stolen and instead spent on a desalinization plant or power plant.. but no...he wanted to show off.
He could have spend the millions he threw on that ugly thing called the Pakistan monument .. but no.. he wanted a statement.
War's are not cheap, Musharraf had no need to build monuments.. or fountains.. or allow the encouragement of a consumer based economy when most of the land and people were being ignored in this development apart from urban center's.
All that happened was that some middle class moved higher.. while others joined the poor.

Hence, His rule is little different from Ayub Khan's economic boom.. all fueled by USAID funds..where he had his 22 families who were the so called base of his "surging" economy claim.. Musharraf has his urban consumerism(and many more elite)..

India on the other hand.. has actual growth for us to see.. actual integration despite many more ethnicity than just five or six warring ones like us. Compare Musharraf to something like that then...instead of a corrupt government we all know about.
Btw.. how did Musharraf afford a flat in Kensington , Even as a General in the Pakistan Army who are well off... Kensington flat prices start at £1.5 million(five years ago)..and the place where he has it is much higher.
I suppose he could just get that Farmhouse on the best land in Islamabad if he sold all the land and investment made during his tenure in the Army.. but the flat??
Im not implying that he made his millions(along with Shaukat Aziz) by manipulating the local stock market but really.. He must have made some really good investments to be able to afford such a place... After all.. Zardari has a lot of places like that.. but then we know he is corrupt and 10% and what not..
How did Musharraf do that? He is an Army officer.. and they are never corrupt(blasphemy).

A Brief History of Pakistani Economy 1947-2010


Pakistani economy grew at a fairly impressive rate of 6 percent per year through the first four decades of the nation's existence. In spite of rapid population growth during this period, per capita incomes doubled, inflation remained low and poverty declined from 46% down to 18% by late 1980s, according to eminent Pakistani economist Dr. Ishrat Husain. This healthy economic performance was maintained through several wars and successive civilian and military governments in 1950s, 60s, 70s and 80s until the decade of 1990s, now appropriately remembered as the lost decade.

In the 1990s, economic growth plummeted to between 3% and 4%, poverty rose to 33%, inflation was in double digits and the foreign debt mounted to nearly the entire GDP of Pakistan as the governments of Benazir Bhutto (PPP) and Nawaz Sharif (PML) played musical chairs. Before Sharif was ousted in 1999, the two parties had presided over a decade of corruption and mismanagement. In 1999 Pakistan’s total public debt as percentage of GDP was the highest in South Asia – 99.3 percent of its GDP and 629 percent of its revenue receipts, compared to Sri Lanka (91.1% & 528.3% respectively in 1998) and India (47.2% & 384.9% respectively in 1998). Internal Debt of Pakistan in 1999 was 45.6 per cent of GDP and 289.1 per cent of its revenue receipts, as compared to Sri Lanka (45.7% & 264.8% respectively in 1998) and India (44.0% & 358.4% respectively in 1998).

After a relatively peaceful but economically stagnant decade of the 1990s, the year 1999 brought a bloodless coup led by General Pervez Musharraf, ushering in an era of accelerated economic growth that led to more than doubling of the national GDP, and dramatic expansion in Pakistan's urban middle class.
Pakistan became one of the four fastest growing economies in the Asian region during 2000-07 with its growth averaging 7.0 per cent per year for most of this period. As a result of strong economic growth, Pakistan succeeded in reducing poverty by one-half, creating almost 13 million jobs, halving the country's debt burden, raising foreign exchange reserves to a comfortable position and propping the country's exchange rate, restoring investors' confidence and most importantly, taking Pakistan out of the IMF Program.

The above facts were acknowledged by the current PPP government in a Memorandum of Economic and Financial Policies (MEFP) for 2008/09-2009/10, while signing agreement with the IMF on November 20, 2008. The document clearly (but grudgingly) acknowledged that "Pakistan's economy witnessed a major economic transformation in the last decade. The country's real GDP increased from $60 billion to $170 billion, with per capita income rising from under $500 to over $1000 during 2000-07". It further acknowledged that "the volume of international trade increased from $20 billion to nearly $60 billion. The improved macroeconomic performance enabled Pakistan to re-enter the international capital markets in the mid-2000s. Large capital inflows financed the current account deficit and contributed to an increase in gross official reserves to $14.3 billion at end-June 2007. Buoyant output growth, low inflation, and the government's social policies contributed to a reduction in poverty and improvement in many social indicators". (see MEFP, November 20, 2008, Para 1)

The decade also cast a huge shadow of the US "war on terror" on Pakistan, eventually turning the nation into a frontline state in the increasingly deadly conflict that shows no signs of abating. Along with the blood and gore and chaos on the streets, there are hopeful signs that rule of law and accountability is beginning to prevail in the country with the restoration of representative democracy and independent judiciary, largely in response to an increasingly assertive urban middle class, vibrant mass media and growing civil society.
The Zardari-Gilani government inherited a relatively sound economy on March 31, 2008. It inherited foreign exchange reserves of $13.3 billion, exchange rate at Rs62.76 per US dollar, the KSE index at 15,125 with market capitalization at $74 billion, inflation at 20.6 per cent and the country's debt burden on a declining path. The government itself acknowledged in the same document that "the macroeconomic situation deteriorated significantly in 2007/08 and the first four months of 2008/09 owing to adverse security developments, large exogenous price shocks (oil and food), global financial turmoil, and policy inaction during the political transition to the new government". (Para 3 of the MEFP, November 20, 2008.

Why is it that Pakistani economy has done well under military governments and performed poorly when led by politicians? To put it all in perspective, let's recall how late Dr. Mahbub ul-Haq, the renowned Pakistani economist who is credited with the idea of UNDP's human development index (HDI), explained the corrosive impact of political patronage on economic policy in Pakistan.

In a 10/12/1988 interview with Professor Anatol Lieven of King's College and quoted in a recent book "Pakistan-A Hard Country", here is what Dr. Haq said:

"..every time a new political government comes in they have to distribute huge amounts of state money and jobs as rewards to politicians who have supported them, and short term populist measures to try to convince the people that their election promises meant something, which leaves nothing for long-term development. As far as development is concerned, our system has all the worst features of oligarchy and democracy put together.

That is why only technocratic, non-political governments in Pakistan have ever been able to increase revenues. But they can not stay in power for long because they have no political support...For the same reason we have not been able to deregulate the economy as much as I wanted, despite seven years of trying, because the politicians and officials both like the system Bhutto (Late Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto) put in place. It suits them both very well, because it gave them lots of lucrative state-sponsored jobs in industry and banking to take for themselves or distribute to their relatives and supporters."

even that is out of subject, but still an eye opener for the peoples , who are in dream that , this country can be run by a democraticly elected leader , without any experince at all!
now back on topic will you!

 

[batmannow]

Sound and fury
From the Newspaper | 8 hours ago 0
Sound and fury | DAWN.COM

FOR all the talk of deweaponisation in the last few days, it’s clear what the drama is really about: politics. Any genuine concern for law and order is at best a secondary concern for Karachi’s main political parties; that much was obvious from the way the debate shaped up this week. Trying to avoid a special focus on Karachi and deflect any talk of a military operation there, the MQM argues that deweaponisation should take place not just in Karachi, but across the country. The ANP argues for the opposite, likely in part because stripping people of arms would be culturally unacceptable in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Fata, but mainly because it wants the focus to remain precisely where its political rival does not want it to be — on Karachi. Meanwhile, in a glaring display of lack of concern about policy effectiveness, the ruling party supports both moves in an attempt to protect its political alliances. Proceedings in the National Assembly and the Senate this week were thus a farce, with parliament becoming a forum for political parties to one-up each other rather than address citizens’ concerns.

Lost in all this rhetoric were the practical challenges of carrying out deweaponisation, whether in Karachi — where it has been tried and has failed — or elsewhere in the country. Who, for example, would carry it out? In Karachi, at least, with an overwhelmed police force and the Rangers’ ability to operate effectively in the city in question, the military would likely have to be called in, which would be a political minefield. Who would be targeted?

A first step might be to choke off supply lines, focusing on curbing smuggling rather than trying to retrieve huge amounts of unlicensed arms from their owners. Whatever the answers, the lack of substance in this week’s debates proved that the conversation was about political posturing and appearing to be concerned about law and order.

And ultimately, regardless of the methods used, deweaponisation in Karachi would run into the same road block that other law and order problems do: the extent to which violence and politics are intertwined in this city. Short of a no-holds-barred, bloody military operation — which would only temporarily relieve political rivalries, as previous operations have done, rather than addressing them — the only way to tackle the problem is for all the city’s major political players to reach a sustainable agreement on arms control. But as this week’s drama has proved, nothing will change as long as they continue to view Karachi as a zero-sum battleground rather than a city in which millions of people are trying to survive.

 

[batmannow]

Providing safety to witnesses/ STEP 1 FOR PEACE IN KARACHI



A recent morning show on TV in which the security situation in our country was discussed, one major point was the issue of witnesses not coming forward to claim who the suspect was.

We need to promote anonymous reporting and give incentives to the public so that they can freely come forward and pinpoint the suspects. Why can’t we find a way to address this serious issue? Mobs are confident that no one has the guts to come forward.

I ask the investigators: is it necessary for the witness to come face to face in the court and point a finger at the suspect who looks threateningly at the witness, implying that save yourself and your family if you are ready to speak.

The programme highlighted the fact that due to lack of witnesses, only five per cent of the accused are given punishments. No wonder why criminals are so fearless.

If our president gives a speech with bulletproof glass around him and keeps a safe distance of 200 metres for addressing the nation, it is not wrong of us to avoid accusing the culprits to save our own lives.

Public and police have to work as a team to overcome this growing threat. I request the public to come forward to help police. Our responsibility is to report any criminal activity and it is the investigators’ responsibility to further take up the investigation without jeopardising the lives of the witnesses.

 

[Rocky rock]

Disliking smaller evil does not mean liking an even bigger evil. I have no sympathies or alliance with any political party, I have too much self respect to ever like a chracterless politician. Compared to Zardari I dislike Musharraf less. Musharaf has some good things in him, he is blunt and straight just like me, but he lied to the nation on drone strikes, he gave too much leeway to amercans to the point of them attacking, killing an dhumiliating Pakistanis. The most I dislike about Musharraf and ewhich I will never forgive is attacking Lal Masjid and killing hundreds of innocent people there. there was absolutely no need to use phospphorous bombs. You cut out water, electricity , gas, supplies and either they would have walked out themselves in 12/15 days or illed themselves. there was no need to attack a Masjid, a place of worship in Islamic Republic of Pakistan gain US approval /pat.

That act failed him as a person sitting on top taking much diffult and sensitive decisions.. He may be good but not good enough for the toop position. If NS was a criminal why was henot punished and let go to KSA. Why did he passed NRO to allow criminals like Zardari to get elected and ruin this nation? These decisions prove that he was not acting in the best interest of Pakistan.

well said masjid is a place of worship! right? so tell me one thing you guy's use masjids as arms store? what those rockets n guns were doing there in lal masjid? if masjid is place for worship n you calling those people innocent they have killed thousand of inocent ppls so in return it's our army's responsibilty to kill those terrorist's to save other innocent ppl'z...so they had done thier job very well! i think as u can see still those terrorists blasting n killing hundreds of peoples in karachi etc everyday...n u callin them innocent..how could you??? if they were so true n innocent why abdul aziz had tried to run from there by wearing burqa??? huh!