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A Race Pakistan Cannot Possibly Win

Remeber if we all come to the border and piss you Tom will down drinking it

You know what while all of you move to your eastern border for a pee, you will be really pissed in your western border when your brothers to the west go ahead and reclaim their land across the Durrand (irrespective of who is ruling there). So beware, you my friend are actually on a two front war. LOL :D:D:D
 
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:coffee: ..... yeah okay.. we can't win.... anything else?

If we accept that we can't win will it stop Gangadeshis from this lunatic obsession about Pakistan?
There's an old saying in our part of the world, roughly translated it reads, 'By loading dozens of books on a Donkey, doesn't make the animal a professor'.
The Indians can acquire or purchase everything under the Sun but at the end of the day, they will have to operate those systems....the less said the better.
It shows you who is really obsessed with who

yet all the news in Pakistan and mostly the attention of Pakistani discussion is the economy; isnt it odd that when Indians come here, they only bring with them cries of war yet hypocritically expect us to respond with talk of economy to them?



Am not sure who is obsessed with who... the one who call us gangadeshi instead of Indians? Or the other one who tends insult Indians every now and then...

@Oscar if you don't want Indians to participate , simply block everyone... or let us know.. we can contact our authorities to do the job... just look at some guys posts.... it's weird that PDF still allowing invented names...
 
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You know what while all of you move to your eastern border for a pee, you will be really pissed in your western border when your brothers to the west go ahead and reclaim their land across the Durrand (irrespective of who is ruling there). So beware, you my friend are actually on a two front war. LOL :D:D:D
We took all of pakistan from you and bangladesh is independent. Still muslim land. Thatd after 1000 years of you serving muslims.
Now you jahil hinfus are taught that there wad no india before 1947. And thickos like you belive it. So why did the briatish call it the east india company when they invaded. That was way before 1947. And then your super laxer weapons for vedic india....of sorry just like india didnt exist neither did your bullshit stories of vedic times. But the again you belive drinking cow urine goves you wings....i say pigs do fly but only in india
 
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Indian militarily preparation is now China centric. India has completed Pakistan specific preparation a long back. In India's security paradigm , Pakistan don't count much now. Arihant and other submarines which has started coming now are aimed at Indian ocean power projection.
 
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Wouldn't the SPGs and A-100s of Pakistan pose a lot of problems? Are about 100-150 K-9s enough for us?

If you see the make up of Indian Brigades and Pakistani Brigades, they are more or less similar. Same for the support arms (generally). So, if A-100s and SPGs, we have equivalence in terms of concentration of fire in support of offensive/defensive operations.

Pakistan has A-100, KRL-122s, M-109 and M110s predominantly. I doubt that they have any major advantage as the ranges are similar for Indian systems too. However, do note that Nasr is at 60 Kms range, which is lower than the A-100s (Pakistani)/BM-30 Smerch (Indian), even with non-extended range munitions. While Domestic Pinaka with extended range projectiles (Mark - 2 at 75 kms without extended projectiles) also exceeds the range.

Having said that, what remains of supreme importance is the quantum of force that either side is able to bear upon the target, and that shall be devastating in the least, but also fluid, switching and cyclic due to reasons of adeversarial action,logistics and terrain constraints.

The disposition of the Artillery Divisions assigned to Indian Army Strike Corps indicate that the same may not be required to wait for the Strike Corps to reach their launch pads to be used to concentrate fire power in support of the offensive operations, thereby enhancing the strike power of the Pivot Corps undertaking operations with their own Artillery Brigades.

NASR remains a non-entity for the military calculus although we will be allocating resources to search and destroy all associated launch/replenishment vehicles. Purely militarily speaking, in a conventional/non-conventional setting, we are not worried. But once you factor in political and economic considerations, the equation changes in terms of economic/political objectives - both internal and international. Hence the perceived 'backfoot' Indian approach. Our priorities remain in uplifting the masses out of poverty.
 
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If you see the make up of Indian Brigades and Pakistani Brigades, they are more or less similar. Same for the support arms (generally). So, if A-100s and SPGs, we have equivalence in terms of concentration of fire in support of offensive/defensive operations.

Pakistan has A-100, KRL-122s, M-109 and M110s predominantly. I doubt that they have any major advantage as the ranges are similar for Indian systems too. However, do note that Nasr is at 60 Kms range, which is lower than the A-100s (Pakistani)/BM-30 Smerch (Indian), even with non-extended range munitions. While Domestic Pinaka with extended range projectiles (Mark - 2 at 75 kms without extended projectiles) also exceeds the range.

Having said that, what remains of supreme importance is the quantum of force that either side is able to bear upon the target, and that shall be devastating in the least, but also fluid, switching and cyclic due to reasons of adeversarial action,logistics and terrain constraints.

The disposition of the Artillery Divisions assigned to Indian Army Strike Corps indicate that the same may not be required to wait for the Strike Corps to reach their launch pads to be used to concentrate fire power in support of the offensive operations, thereby enhancing the strike power of the Pivot Corps undertaking operations with their own Artillery Brigades.

I'm not a military person nor do i understand battlefield tactics etc., but from wiki it seems that Pak has a decent amount of SPGs and A-100s, similar to the numbers fielded by India. So i was wondering how just a 100 or so K-9s can be so effective. Same about how a few ATAGS can be so overwhelming.

I think that in case of tanks IA is a lot better than PA.

I don't know if Dhanush gun is being inducted now, or whether Pinaka-2 is also being inducted.

NASR remains a non-entity for the military calculus although we will be allocating resources to search and destroy all associated launch/replenishment vehicles. Purely militarily speaking, in a conventional/non-conventional setting, we are not worried. But once you factor in political and economic considerations, the equation changes in terms of economic/political objectives - both internal and international. Hence the perceived 'backfoot' Indian approach. Our priorities remain in uplifting the masses out of poverty.

A few years back I was told by my friend whose brother is a brigadier in the IA, that the IA is not worried and is quite confident of defeating PA in the conventional war domain. Same sentiments were echoed by a few infantry soldiers and a couple of officers i met. They said that those days are long gone when Pak could contemplate a first initiative kind of operation.
 
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You cleverly skipped our massive ship building industry, our capabilities in Radar and EW system development. Our navy currently has more that 40 ships under construction within India. 7 more P17A frigates have also entered production + construction of 16 ASW shallow water craft will soon enter construction phase. Also deal for local manufacturing of Grigorovich class frigate was also signed today.

Also we can locally produced helicopters. India currently operates 200+ locally made Dhruv. Order for 80 more were placed by Armed forces in last two years.76 Rudra are also on order. LCH has also entered production this year and we will produce 169 of them. LUH which had its first flight two years ago is expected to be produced in numbers exceeding 300. HAL has started working on 12 ton IMRH helicopter which is expected to fly in next decade.

As for fifth generation fighter jet we already have AMCA program. We have already started working on avionics of AMCA. Mission control computer is under development as of now.
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Here is DRDO developed Ultra Wide Band (ULB) Radar Absorbing Skin Prototypes
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AMCA basic simulator for testing flight control software.
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There was also a video showing testing of internal weapon bays for AMCA but the video was deleted by YouTube.

In missile tech we already have capability to develop different types of seekers including the miniaturised ones.

Yes just like the super duper fighter that never made it despite 30 years of pouring money into it!

Indians come in hordes onto Pakistani websites, their politicians and journalists screech about Pakistan day and night, and they have to invent fake operations to make people think they can do anything

"b-b-but ve r winnars!!" :rofl::rofl:

They should stick to asking to see Bobs and Veganas on the internet.
 
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Indian militarily preparation is now China centric. India has completed Pakistan specific preparation a long back. In India's security paradigm , Pakistan don't count much now. Arihant and other submarines which has started coming now are aimed at Indian ocean power projection.

so letting Pakistani snipers kill or injure 10 indian soldiers in a week is just fun and hijinks
 
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A few years back I was told by my friend whose brother is a brigadier in the IA, that the IA is not worried and is quite confident of defeating PA in the conventional war domain. Same sentiments were echoed by a few infantry soldiers and a couple of officers i met. They said that those days are long gone when Pak could contemplate a first initiative kind of operation.
Then why didn’t India win Kargil war? We had to bribe Nawaz Sharif to arrange ceasefire who enacted the drama of running to USA so as to make it look as though India was winning.
 
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The completion of the first deterrence patrol by INS Arihant, India’s first home-developed, nuclear-powered submarine, completing the nuclear deterrence triad, procurement of the S400 missile systems from Russia and the induction of new heavy-calibre guns for the artillery are changing the balance of power in the subcontinent. There was immense criticism by Pakistan in every forum, including international gatherings, when India signed the S 400 missile deal.

They projected the shifting of balance of power in India’s favour leading to increased security concerns. Pakistan sought to suggest that the entire subcontinent was being impacted by security concerns. This was ignored by South Asian nations and the world community as they realised that apart from Pakistan, India has no adversary in South Asia.

Similar criticism flowed when INS Arihant was inducted into the service. The Pakistan foreign ministry spokesperson stated, “This development marks the first actual deployment of ready-to-fire nuclear warheads in South Asia. This is a matter of concern not only for the Indian Ocean littoral states but also for the international community at large.” In each case it projected its desire for peace as also its preparedness for war.

Pakistan has yet to comment on the induction of new artillery guns, which could change the equation in conventional operations as also crossborder violations. It permits the Indian army to strike deep into Pak territory hitting administrative bases and terrorist camps, which earlier could only be targeted by cross-border strikes as employing rockets or air power could add to escalation. The comment is likely to flow in the coming days, when these guns begin being deployed.

While Indian military power is aimed at deterrence from China, it is Pakistan which is panicking. The Pakistani armed forces are aware of India’s growing military might for conventional warfare as also its growing nuclear deterrence capability. However, their financial constraints have compelled them to counter the same by claiming deployment of tactical nuclear missiles. Their international standing has dropped to the level that assistance from all allies, including the US, has dried up forcing them to look at only China for support.

China is a ready provider for multiple reasons. Firstly, it must keep the Pakistan army in good humour. It is aware that its investments in the CPEC are secure provided it has the backing of the Pakistan army. Simultaneously, it cannot announce its true expenditure in the CPEC to the world as the Pakistani army has skimmed a part of the funds, almost terming it as a bribe for ensuring its continuity. Any action by Pakistan to limit the expansion of the CPEC would impact the power of Xi Jinping, as this project is the key to the Belt Road Initiative (BRI), which covers large parts of the globe.

Secondly, enhancing the military power of Pakistan would impact Indian defence expenditure as also its concentration of forces. As a result of Chinese support, diplomatic and military, India has always been forced to consider a two-front war. It has also provided Pakistan the confidence to continue pushing militants into Kashmir, keeping it destabilised.

As India restructures and modernizes its armed forces, it pushes Pakistan into a corner. Pakistan cannot bank on its so-called tactical nuclear weapons, as international pressure and swift Indian strikes may preclude their employment even within their own territory. The only option which it has is to run to the Chinese for near similar capabilities. Since it lacks financial stability including the ability to repay earlier loans, it may not get blanket Chinese support.

Pakistan is now moving towards the IMF for a bailout package, despite assistance already provided by Saudi Arabia and likely to be provided by China. The delay in China providing financial assistance is that it is bound to seek its pound of flesh, mainly ensuring the security and continuity of CPEC, where it has invested heavily. The IMF is bound to impose its own terms, some of which would be crippling and disadvantageous for the army including cutting down its defence expenditure.

The IMF terms would not be for a short duration but lengthy enough to pinch Pakistan. By curtailing the defence budget, it would restrict the ability of Pakistan to make new purchases to meet Indian capability expansion, adding to the growing gap. It could bank on Chinese largesse but the same would not be enough as repayment ability would be low.

The Pakistani army, which cannot be seen to be considered weaker as India continues to enhance military power, would be compelled to divert funds from other sources to meet its needs, seeking to hide these investments. These funds would impact social security services in Pakistan adding to problems of its population. While the ISI has complete control over the country and there are no voices which can criticise the actions of the army, internal rumblings against the government would rise.

One of the reasons for the collapse of the Soviet Union was it being pushed into an arms race with the US. It had to continue enhancing its military capabilities to ensure NATO remained at bay. It was forced into doing so, despite a vast gap in the economic status of the two countries. Thus, the arms race was unsustainable and broke the economy of the Soviet Union.

The Pakistan army has suffered in every war with India, hence is always concerned about Indian military power. It can never accept the fact that it can never compete militarily with India. The gap between the economies of India and Pak is similarly wide. Pushing Pakistan into an arms race, by continuing to enhance Indian military power may have a similar result as the breakup of the Soviet Union.


https://www.thestatesman.com/opinion/race-pakistan-cannot-win-1502709548.html


There is an even Bigger Strategic ( even historic ) Game being played & that’s a crawl, which only Pakistan can & will win.
 
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Then why didn’t India win Kargil war? We had to bribe Nawaz Sharif to arrange ceasefire who enacted the drama of running to USA so as to make it look as though India was winning.
Well, i know that you have this theory that all Indo-Pak wars ended in India's favour due to money exchanging hands. I find this hard to believe, and most of Pak members have not backed up your claims even though they dislike NS. The only remote chance of NS agreeing to Indian demands would be if he wanted to spite the military.

But of course you are entitled to your opinion.

As far as Kargil is concerned, it happened almost two decades back - at that time PA was in a better position against IA (not PAF vs IAF, PA never thought PAF would be involved) than today.
 
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Yes and Pakistan successfully created Bangladesh out of India after defeating them in 1971. Quoted from asmani book
nope. Pakistan in particular Jinnah was sucessfull in gutting hindustan into 3 parts like a sack of potatoes

#ThankYouJinnah :lol:

You know what while all of you move to your eastern border for a pee, you will be really pissed in your western border when your brothers to the west go ahead and reclaim their land across the Durrand (irrespective of who is ruling there). So beware, you my friend are actually on a two front war. LOL :D:D:D
haha :lol: afghans cant even reclaim 70% of their country by the rag tag Taliban of 2018 and Tom the imbecile is having wet dreams about reclaiming durad. hahahahaha

we all know who has nightmares every night about a two front war and who doesnt.
Two-front war is a real scenario, says General Bipin Rawat

Read more at:
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