A potential way Pakistan can deal with the S-400 & THAAD

[Philosopher]

This is why Pakistan needs these air launched Rockets to have hypersonic maneuverable warheads, similar to the DF-17 shown at last years Chinese Parade. BMD Avoidance and still maintaining Precision Strike. If possible, also carrying decoys would help as well.

Hypersonic system like you have posted despite not being new, have really only recently been heavily pursued by nations such as USA, China and Russia. Although I agree these are technologies that nations like Pakistan and Iran must also pursue, what I have described in this thread is a cost-effective way to take existing systems and create a potent anti-air defence capability in the near future. Hypersonic glide & hypersonic cruise missile systems have to be invested in and developed, whereas these air launched systems I described are within our capabilities today.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Hypersonic system like you have posted despite not being new, have really only recently been heavily pursued by nations such as USA, China and Russia. Although I agree these are technologies that nations like Pakistan and Iran must also pursue, what I have described in this thread is a cost-effective way to take existing systems and create a potent anti-air defence capability in the near future. Hypersonic glide & hypersonic cruise missile systems have to be invested in and developed, whereas these air launched systems I described are within our capabilities today.

fielding a hypersonic weapon will take time in the meantime we have cm-400akg.

 

[FuturePAF]

Hypersonic system like you have posted despite not being new, have really only recently been heavily pursued by nations such as USA, China and Russia. Although I agree these are technologies that nations like Pakistan and Iran must also pursue, what I have described in this thread is a cost-effective way to take existing systems and create a potent anti-air defence capability in the near future. Hypersonic glide & hypersonic cruise missile systems have to be invested in and developed, whereas these air launched systems I described are within our capabilities today.

I agree, at the moment something like Iran's new Fajr 4/5 would be a potent weapon to counter the S-400
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr-5

If successful, using new composite body design used on the Iranian Fateh-110 program may help getting the weight down (from the current Fajr 4/5 of approx. 1200 kg to under 1000 kg or less with composites) and allow sub munitions to be carried; such as in the Zulfiqar and Dezful, but stay in the 333 mm diameter of the Fajr 4/5 rockets.

The goal should be light enough such that the Mirages can carry it, perhaps even two of these missiles to improve probability of ensuring a kill. limiting the missile diameter to no greater then the size of these drop tanks.

With a modern seeker and datalink, this could also be used against moving targets like enemy ships, mobile SAM batteries or armor formations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fateh-110
https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/fateh-313/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dezful_(missile)

A good podcast on the efficacy of the Iranian rockets used in January
https://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/1208751/irans-missile-strikes-in-iraq/

Fajr 4/5 from 0:34-0:40

 

[Philosopher]

fielding a hypersonic weapon will take time in the meantime we have cm-400akg.

CM-400 is definitely a potent system. Think of what I have described in this thread another very potent and very cost-effective complementary system. One that Pakistan could mass produce with relative ease.

I agree, at the moment something like Iran's new Fajr 4/5 would be a potent weapon to counter the S-400
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr-5

If successful, using new composite body design used on the Iranian Fateh-110 program may help getting the weight down (from the current Fajr 4/5 of approx. 1200 kg to under 1000 kg or less with composites) and allow sub munitions to be carried; such as in the Zulfiqar and Dezful, but stay in the 333 mm diameter of the Fajr 4/5 rockets.

The goal should be light enough such that the Mirages can carry it, perhaps even two of these missiles to improve probability of ensuring a kill. limiting the missile diameter to no greater then the size of these drop tanks.

With a modern seeker and datalink, this could also be used against moving targets like enemy ships, mobile SAM batteries or armor formations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fateh-110
https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/fateh-313/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dezful_(missile)

A good podcast on the efficacy of the Iranian rockets used in January
https://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/1208751/irans-missile-strikes-in-iraq/

Fajr 4/5 from 0:34-0:40

With the proliferation of air defences around the world, it is only natural that we will see the arrival of new and effective ways to solve this problem. Pakistan has many options available, what I have described here is just one of many.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

CM-400 is definitely a potent system. Think of what I have described in this thread another very potent and very cost-effective complementary system. One that Pakistan could mass produce with relative ease.





With the proliferation of air defences around the world, it is only natural that we will see the arrival of new and effective ways to solve this problem. Pakistan has many options available, what I have described here is just one of many.

I've read that the CM-400 is already in Pakistan's possession, is that true?, this missile is capable of reaching mach 4, according to this article we have about 60 of them.

https://quwa.org/2019/10/03/the-jf-17s-air-launched-rocket-option-cm-400akg/

 

[Rank]

Interesting take, turn Nasr-1 ground-launched missile into Air Launched Missile...its entirely possible and cost effective too. Probably Pakistan and PAF already did with RAAD air launched missile.

Have you seen the size of NASR in real?

Range of Nasr is 60km, weight is 1200Kg.

Which plane are you going to modify to carry it.

I literally just said the same... majority have never seen these missiles in real...

PS: I have seen mostly all Pakistan WMD, Super, Sub, Long, Short, missiles including all major in Air force inventory... trust me they're fucking BIG!

 

[Philosopher]

Have you seen the size of NASR in real?



I literally just said the same... majority have never seen these missiles in real...

NASR has a length of 6 meters, it's around the size of other systems in its category. This is not a limitation.

Furthermore, Nasr was just one example, in theory you can turn almost any ballistic missile or rockets into Aero version.

I've read that the CM-400 is already in Pakistan's possession, is that true?, this missile is capable of reaching mach 4, according to this article we have about 60 of them.

https://quwa.org/2019/10/03/the-jf-17s-air-launched-rocket-option-cm-400akg/

From what I have seen, yes. Pakistan has it in its possession.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

NASR has a length of 6 meters, it's around the size of other systems in its category. This is not a limitation.

Furthermore, Nasr was just one example, in theory you can turn almost any ballistic missile or rockets into Aero version.



From what I have seen, yes. Pakistan has it in its possession.

We already have babur 2 cruise, raad and now CM 400, so why would we need an air version of nasr, in terms of nuclear capabilities both babur and raad are nuclear capable I think, even brahmos is not nuclear capable and now we have brahmos's answer in CM400.

 

[Philosopher]

We already have babur 2 cruise, raad and now CM 400, so why would we need an air version of nasr, in terms of nuclear capabilities both babur and raad are nuclear capable I think, even brahmos is not nuclear capable and now we have brahmos's answer in CM400.

The context of this thread is the use of the mentioned system in the defeat of the adversaries' air defences, such as S-400. The benefits of an aero version of systems such as Nasr have been highlighted in my opening comment of the thread.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

The context of this thread is the use of the mentioned system in the defeat of the adversaries' air defences, such as S-400. The benefits of an aero version of systems such as Nasr have been highlighted in my opening comment of the thread.

But I think babur 2 and or raad can get that job done can it not?

 

[Philosopher]

But I think babur 2 and or raad can get that job done can it not?

Of course in theory they could. But here we are trying to find new, cost-effective and potentially highly effective ways of complementing those systems. When you're dealing with high value assets such as S-400 and THAAD, you want to increase the likelihood of being able to destroy them as much as you can.

 

[Metal 0-1]

We can also use attack helos for this purpose. Like US did in the begging of Op. Desert Storm against Iraqis.

 

[volatile]

An hypothetical solution can be barrage of Artillery fire which are cheap ,non guided ones and im sure confuses the system which to target which not also dummy missile launches can be also effective ,once pin poiint the location of S400 a standoff weapon can take care of the job . For AF there is already a solution exists in form of drones

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

We have CM400AKG

 

[Ultima Thule]

We do not need to worry about S-400 but only about THAAD. India will announce cancellation of S-400 deal by end of this year.

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