A patriotic Iranian prosecuted in America

[Shahin Vatani]

@iranigirl2 : he may be patriot from your view point but from american view he is traitor. You should be faithful to your country.
If an american origin person does the same in iran (I know there is no such people, but if it does happen) would you not call him traitor.

That's a cultural difference I have noticed a lot with Indians in the UK. From this forum it would seem US Indians are the same. When you move to Britain you guys want to be known as British. I have read some studies that South Asians are more patriotic towards Britain then any other group, including indigenous white people.

Well that isn't the same with Iranians. The vast majority of Iranians put their Iranian identity above that of the country they live in.

 

[iranigirl2]

@hinduguy, this guys is a traitor? Traitor to whom? Most Iranian would say he is a hero and is being prosecuted for being Iranian to teach other Iranian a lesson that is not to help their home country of Iran. There are other jailed Iranian scientists in America .

 

[livingdead]

That's a cultural difference I have noticed a lot with Indians in the UK. From this forum it would seem US Indians are the same. When you move to Britain you guys want to be known as British. I have read some studies that South Asians are more patriotic towards Britain then any other group, including indigenous white people.

Well that isn't the same with Iranians. The vast majority of Iranians put their Iranian identity above that of the country they live in.

Well thats the way I think, if somebody accepts citizenship of a country, he usually swears in a document saying he is faithful to the new country. It is wrong to lie and remain faithful to your old country.
I would expect any irani in India(if they apply for citizenship) to be faithful to India. Otherwise they should remain in which ever country is in their heart.

Otherwise why would a host country accept person from other country, just to have more traitors among them?

I do to others what I expect from others. Nothing special.

@hinduguy, this guys is a traitor? Traitor to whom? Most Iranian would say he is a hero and is being prosecuted for being Iranian to teach other Iranian a lesson that is not to help their home country of Iran. There are other jailed Iranian scientists in America .

traitor to americans.. and traitor in moral sense.. if I invite you to stay with me, you should not lit a fire in my house. If he is a spy employed by iranians and and settled in USA, then he did it as duty. Otherwise, for a normal person, its wrong.

 

[nastikan]

That's a cultural difference I have noticed a lot with Indians in the UK. From this forum it would seem US Indians are the same. When you move to Britain you guys want to be known as British. I have read some studies that South Asians are more patriotic towards Britain then any other group, including indigenous white people.

Well that isn't the same with Iranians. The vast majority of Iranians put their Iranian identity above that of the country they live in.

Most Iranians in US do not support the Iranian government. And most of them are more westernized than any other Asian group.

They even have reality TV shows about their lifestyle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPbSelgFSVI

 

[livingdead]

Most Iranians in US do not support the Iranian government. And most of them are more westernized than any other Asian group.

let him continue with his indian this indian that rant. I do not feel to reply about that, because he is ill equipped to make such generalization. I doubt he knows anything about Indian or south asian diasphora in UK.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Most Iranians in US do not support the Iranian government. And most of them are more westernized than any other Asian group.

Who said anything about supporting governments? It's about which country you put first. I very rarely meet Iranians abroad who say they are German, British or whatever, no matter if they support the Iranian government or not.

let him continue with his indian this indian that rant. I do not feel to reply about that, because he is ill equipped to make such generalization. I doubt he knows anything about Indian or south asian diasphora in UK.

Not a rant, just an observation, sorry that it makes you bûtthurt.

Having lived in England for quite some time I think I am well placed to share my opinions.

 

[iranigirl2]

Most Iranians in US do not support the Iranian government. And most of them are more westernized than any other Asian group.

They even have reality TV shows about their lifestyle
Shahs of Sunset - Season 2 Trailer | Promo Clip | On Air With Ryan Seacrest - YouTube

These are Persian Jews!

Cast of Shahs of Sunset

Reza Farahan:
His father is Jewish, and his mother is Muslim

Mike Shouhed:
He and his family are Persian Jews

Mercedeh Christine "MJ" Javid:
Another Jew

Sammy Younai:
Sammy comes from a Persian Jewish family


Jews make up 0.001% of Iran's population, the cast on this show 4 out of 6 people on this show is Persian Jew ! not very representative of Iranian community!

Persian Jews are not patriotic , and I would know since I have visited Southern California, and Persian Jews are known to give huge donation to Israel and help out Israel rather than Iran.

They have huge charity organizations for Israel and other works for Israel.

In contrast when there was an earthquake in Iran, none of them lifted a finger or even cared!

Most have families I Israel too.


Why don't they call the show, Jews Of Sunset?

 

[nastikan]

Who said anything about supporting governments? It's about which country you put first. I very rarely meet Iranians abroad who say they are German, British or whatever, no matter if they support the Iranian government or not.



Not a rant, just an observation, sorry that it makes you bûtthurt.

Having lived in England for quite some time I think I am well placed to share my opinions.

You cannot be more wrong. Iranian Americans are the most westernized and have the least affinity towards their culture.
I have not seen a single Iranian cultural center or festival here in US while Indians try their best to preserve their culture and language. Most British Indians are second or third generation immigrants and hence their affinity towards India is lesser.

These are Persian Jews!

The show has both jewish and muslim Persians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahs_of_Sunset

 

[Shahin Vatani]

You cannot be more wrong. Iranian Americans are the most westernized and have the least affinity towards their culture.
I have not seen a single Iranian cultural center or festival here in US while Indians try their best to preserve their culture and language. Most British Indians are second or third generation immigrants and hence their affinity towards India is lesser.

You are kidding right? Most Iranians there live in LA. Just Google Tehrangeles and you will see the affinity they have for Iran. You can't get by in Westwood without knowing Persian. Pretty much all the successful Iranian business people in US donate to Iranian causes. There are Iranian parades in LA, NY and many other cities. All that with our population there being under 500,000.

So what if they are westernized? That has nothing at all to do with national identity.

 

[livingdead]

Who said anything about supporting governments? It's about which country you put first. I very rarely meet Iranians abroad who say they are German, British or whatever, no matter if they support the Iranian government or not.



Not a rant, just an observation, sorry that it makes you bûtthurt.

Having lived in England for quite some time I think I am well placed to share my opinions.

well, if you lived here, all I can say is, your capability of observation is quite limited. South asians like to preserve their culture at the same time want to be part of host country. Most south asians are family oriented people, and keep touch with their extended family at least for 2 generations.

In any case, its not about Indians its about iranians. If iranians keep in touch with iran, well and good. But they should not be traitor in new country.

Its a moral thing, may be iranian sense of morality different from south asians.

 

[nastikan]

You are kidding right? Most Iranians there live in LA. Just Google Tehrangeles and you will see the affinity they have for Iran. You can't get by in Westwood without knowing Persian. Pretty much all the successful Iranian business people in US donate to Iranian causes. There are Iranian parades in LA, NY and many other cities. All that with our population there being under 500,000.

So what if they are westernized? That has nothing at all to do with national identity.

what is Iranian causes? I have seen them holding protest marches against the Iranian regime.

 

[iranigirl2]

Well thats the way I think, if somebody accepts citizenship of a country, he usually swears in a document saying he is faithful to the new country. It is wrong to lie and remain faithful to your old country.
I would expect any irani in India(if they apply for citizenship) to be faithful to India. Otherwise they should remain in which ever country is in their heart.

Otherwise why would a host country accept person from other country, just to have more traitors among them?

I do to others what I expect from others. Nothing special.



traitor to americans.. and traitor in moral sense.. if I invite you to stay with me, you should not lit a fire in my house. If he is a spy employed by iranians and and settled in USA, then he did it as duty. Otherwise, for a normal person, its wrong.

Most Iranians help their home country! That's not being a traitor, and no we are NOT spies, we just love Iran and want to help our motherland. Just because of sanctions that doesn't make us traitors to anyone. Majority of Iranians even if they lived outside of Iran , they are very much connected to Iran. Out of all the immigrants in America Iranians are #1, when it comes to loyality and connectivity to Iran. Sorry we don't see this as being a traitor. We see as "dialogue between civilization" rather than "Clash of civilization".

Most Iranian-Americans oppose military strike on Iran: Poll
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05/01/301330/iranianamericans-against-iran-attack/

 

[Shahin Vatani]

well, if you lived here, all I can say is, your capability of observation is quite limited. South asians like to preserve their culture at the same time want to be part of host country. Most south asians are family oriented people, and keep touch with their extended family at least for 2 generations.

In any case, its not about Indians its about iranians. If iranians keep in touch with iran, well and good. But they should not be traitor in new country.

Its a moral thing, may be iranian sense of morality different from south asians.

You can only be a traitor if you consider the country you are living in as your own country. If you don't, then by definition, you are not a traitor.

Yes it is a sense of differing morality I guess. I know that Indians in UK keep their religious values and such, what I meant was that they usually term themselves as British when asked "where do you come from?" Where as Iranians and Middle Easterners as a whole usually give their indigenous country's as a response. Again not trying to say it is like this with all people, just something I have observed.

 

[nastikan]

well, if you lived here, all I can say is, your capability of observation is quite limited. South asians like to preserve their culture at the same time want to be part of host country. Most south asians are family oriented people, and keep touch with their extended family at least for 2 generations.

In any case, its not about Indians its about iranians. If iranians keep in touch with iran, well and good. But they should not be traitor in new country.

Its a moral thing, may be iranian sense of morality different from south asians.

The problem is not getting in touch with Iran but to help the Iranian government which the US considers its enemy. He sure is a hero for the Iranians. But The US is just treating him like an enemy spy should be treated. Iranians really cannot complain.

 

[iranigirl2]

The show has both jewish and muslim Persians.

Shahs of Sunset - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Majority of the people on the show are Persian Jews, an appropriate title for the show would have been Jews of Sunset!