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A Pakistani Compares—Hindus in Sindh with Muslims in UP

Opinion: Rinkle Kumari - the new Marvi of Sindh by Marvi Sirmed

Rinkle Kumari - the new Marvi of Sindh

Malalai Yusafzai, the brilliant Pakistani girl who defied Taliban's dictation and stood firm on getting educated and persuaded her peers to do so, is a face of Pakistan that we all want to see. More and more. With pride and denial. We like to see Malalai in denial of Rinkle. Rinkle Kumari, the 19 years old Sindhi Hindu girl who was kidnapped and allegedly forcibly converted to Islam before coercively marrying her to a Muslim Naveed Shah. The ones who show this uncomfortable face of Pakistan are condemned to be the 'traitors' and 'Pakistan-haters'. If trying to correct these painful imperfections of our society is treason, let me commit it for once. Rinkle's story needs to be told loudly and to everyone.

Rinkle was kidnapped on February 24 by Naveed Shah and four other people. Police refused to lodge an FIR and to include the names of the influential Mian Aslam, Mian Rafique and their father Mian Mithu. She was produced in the court of Civil Judge Ghotki where she insisted on going to her family but the judge illegally sent her to the police custody in Sukkur Women's Police Station.

What will Rinkle's family and the threatened Hindu community of District Ghotki do if Rinkle is allowed to join her family after the hearing on March 18? Who will provide security to them?
In sheer mockery of the President of Pakistan and his party Co-Chairperson, Mithu announced in front of many civil society activists that if Rinkle's custody is snatched from him, he will set Mirpur Mathelo ablaze. The president had given a media statement against forced conversions earlier that day. "Come what may, justice will have to prevail" was the answer in a firm strong voice when I asked Raj Kumar, Rinkle's uncle, if he was scared. Probably this resolve has come from years of persecution and injustice. "It has been decades that Hindu girls have been abducted and forcibly converted. We hear little or no voice at all against this oppression," said Amar Lal, counsel to Rinkle Kumari's family.

Notwithstanding the support that media and civil society demonstrated for Rinkle, the state response remains an enigma. The Chief Justice of Supreme Court opened a long pending constitutional petition against forced conversions, filed in 2007 by Pakistan Hindu Council, and contained the names of three relatively recent cases of forced conversions including Rinkle Kumari. It was this intervention that finally infused courage in Rinkle Kumari, who spoke her heart to the CJ in camera on March 26, following which he announced in presence of national and international media that Rinkle wanted to go to her mother while Lata was double minded. He ascertained that the girls seemed to be under serious pressure, were continuously crying, were refusing to go with police. In such circumstances, honourable Chief Justice opined that before recording any free-will statement, they should be provided free atmosphere. He ordered to shift her to Panah, the shelter home run by Justice (R) Majida Razvi in Karachi. As soon as he made this announcement, Rinkle screamed in front of media that she wanted to go to her mother.

The Hindu community was stopped from attending court proceedings in Mirpur Mathelo
After the CJ passed orders to shift her to the shelter house, Rinkle started crying and screaming in the court, as reported by KTN TV channel, that she wanted to go to her mother. She also shrieked ear-piercingly that she will not go to the shelter house and would rather like to sleep in the court. It was heart rending to hear her say in the court that she doubted if she could get any justice in a system where majority is Muslim and wanted to make her Muslim forcibly, which is why she thought they were helping each other, not her. Prior to this hearing, every event that happened under this case screamed at the loudest, sheer weakness of the system of justice, moral bankruptcy in our institutions, our collective hypocrisy and helplessness of the highest state authorities to reign in the rogue elements of the society.

Hindu community was completely banished from attending court proceedings in Mirpur Mathelo, the other party, however, did not have any such pressure. While only four family members of Rinkle Kumari were allowed in the premises and only two in the courtroom, thousands of Mithu's men chanted slogans outside the court and hundreds were present inside the court. An open display of weapons was a clear message to the court and judges, who could not ask any of the weapon-wielding Allah-o-Akbar chanting beards out of the court. Under these circumstances, when Rinkle was still in police custody, god knows how she managed to organize a press conference among, of course, Mian Mithu's men and with a Bluetooth mobile device stuck in her right ear. West is bad for conspiring against Islam, but Western technology is apparently good for Islam's spread!

When she was being dictated via blue tooth, Rinkle tried hard to satisfy questioning journalists and forgot what inspired her to embrace Islam. 'Sura Eeklus', she tried to pronounce Sura Ikhlaas twice, unsuccessfully though. When asked about the meaning or gist of the contents of Sura Ikhlas, she was dumbstuck and was forcibly taken out by Mithu's son. Yes, you read it right. While in Police custody, she was under complete control of Mithu's men. Media also learned in this press conference that Rinkle actually does not even know Naveed Shah, who she was married to hours after abduction. At 5am she was abducted from her home on February 24, at 3pm the same day she was married. Honourable Court might ask Mithu what made him make this important decision of the life of an independent woman, even if she had embraced Islam, in such a hurry?

One is flabbergasted to see so many of us not asking some basic but direct questions. Who is Mian Mithu? What is his interest for pursuing this case? He is neither Sajjada Nasheen of Bharchundi Shareef, as had been wrongly reported by some section of media initially, nor he is remotely related to Naveed Shah, with whom Rinkle allegedly eloped and embraced Islam. The Sajjada Nasheen (caretaker) of the Bharchundi Shareef dargah, Mian Abdul Khaliq, who happens to be Mian Mithu's nephew has categorically condemned what Mithu has done under the garb of Islam. Not only him, Sajjada Nasheens of many other Dargahs (shrines) have joined in condemning Mithu's actions, including Dargah Shah Latif, Dargah Jhok Sharif, Dargah Sachal Sayeen and Jot Jalan (the man who lights the candle / diya at the shrine) of Dargah Lal Shahbaz Qalandar. Even the Council of Islamic Ideology's Maulana Shirani has categorically said that forcible conversion is no conversion, is rather a sin.

On April 10, Mian Mithu along with many of his supporters, held a seminar in an expensive hotel in Islamabad. In the seminar, Mithu is reported to have threatened the Supreme Court that if it gives judgment against him, he will not follow the apex court, but will follow the shariah - his own version thereof. When reminded about the President, who is head of the party Mithu belongs to, Mithu was reported to be quick to disdainfully say, "I will see the president. No one dares challenge me". After threats from Mithu and firing by his men on Manohar Lal, Rinkle's grandfather, the whole family had to leave Mirpur Mathelo and shift to Karachi. Three top men from Hindu community of District Ghotki are pointedly under Mithu's threat, renowned human rights activist Mr Amar Lal, saint Sadh Ram, Rinkle's uncle Mr Raj Kumar. No one seems to have any control on the power of this unrestrained self proclaimed clergyman.

The important question that the Superior Court has is, what will Rinkle's family, Hindu community of District Ghotki and especially these three respectable men would do if Rinkle is allowed to join her family after the upcoming hearing on 18th March? Who will provide security to them? Is the rotten and visibly tilted structure of state institutions to be trusted by the down trodden? Is the Superior Court empowered enough to provide justice and security to Hindu community of Ghotki? If not, who will? This case poses biggest challenge to the Superior Court in its entire history. The Hindu community, in this case, represents the most down trodden sections of the society, which came out on streets in 2007 in the hope of an independent justice system. This justice system includes law enforcing agencies and lower courts. Even if Rinkle goes back to her family, an independent judicial enquiry on the role of Ghotki Police and Civil Judges should be instituted and criminal record of Mian Mithu and his sons should be produced in the court. The question arises why in last six months, kidnapping of Hindu girls, forced conversions and abduction of Hindu and Christian youngsters and saints is increased? "They want us to leave the country. They are forcing us to flee from our motherland. But we will not deter," said Amar Lal, Rinkle's counsel.

It is sheer mockery of judiciary when the powerful uses its system to oppress the powerless, that too, with impunity. Mithu mocked not only the law but the honourable court as well, when he sent his armed men to the court premises. He ridiculed police and all law-enforcing mechanism when he fetched Rinkle in his private car and arranged her press conference when she was in police custody. He belittled the parliament when being a part of it he violated law of land. He scorned the head of the state when he said he "will see the President". Will any of these pillars of the state respond with iron will?
 
I am from delhi and here also chappatis are of Rs 5/- only.That's why i am telling this.This has happened twice with me.If one is thinking about eating at roadside dhabba, he should check the menu thoroughly.Dhabas keep the rate of visible items like dals,panner etc at just little more than normal and massively overcharge for things like chappatis and salads whose price no one bother to check.

Its some what funny bcs people here are complaining about restaurants overcharging their customers but these people will surely faint if they happen to hear about Rs 25 chappati.
 
Its some what funny bcs people here are complaining about restaurants overcharging their customers but these people will surely faint if they happen to hear about Rs 25 chappati.

Dhabas took advantage of the fact that people have to eat at their Dhaba because Buses stop for food only once a day.They bribe bus drivers to stop Bus at their dhaba.

Dhabas also charge 50% more on MRP of packaged goods.And they do it openly.

On the other hand they have to pay hafta and commission to bus drivers also.
 
It is not muslims but everyone who has to pay 5-7 times normal rate at a dhabba.Anyone who looks like an outsider has to pay it.Dhabbas have regular customer in form of truck drivers from whom they charge normal rates.They also have deals with Bus drivers to stop bus at their Dhaba where they charge 5-7 times from passangers.

Once i was travelling to shimla by bus and stopped at a dhaba to have lunch.I decided to order a Dal(Rs 100/-) and 4 chappatis( Rs 25/- each).The total bill came out as RS 425/-.

You know how?

The dhaba charged Rs 100/- for 4 peices of Onions they called as salad which i have not ordered and when it was served without ordering,i thought it was complementary and RS 25/- for butter on each roti and in Dal.

Dabba does not mean the same as Dhaba. Dabba means one car of a train. I was giving a train example.
 
Dabba does not mean the same as Dhaba. Dabba means one car of a train. I was giving a train example.

LOL...............Get the facts as well as the words right before posting.

In India its called compartments or class
 
So? Go to Mandirs in Pakistan during Holi and Diwali and see a festive time there too. You guys got so excited about the comparison but can't stand your ground when questions are asked of you too.

What difficult questions did you ask of us here. Extra premium hotels for Muslims? It was just that notion that I was trying to dispel. LoL. you got carried away too much to say that I cannot stand my ground here. The question of standing the ground or not will arise when you will look at hard fact and figures of political and social participation of Hindus in Pakistan versus the Muslims in UP in India. Is that not what the actual ground to hold is? How about disussing that to see which ground gives??
 
Besides a President according to Indian Constitution is a ceremonial position with no real Powers. It is a rubber stamp guy. That is a fact.

To be honest, Indian president has lot more power at his/her disposal than a president or prime minister of Pakistan given how much influence the Army exercise in your country. So please don't flatter yourself with these illogical statements.

PS: In case of war(Pakistan's main worry), its the president who commands the Army. In that scenario, his position takes priority over any others in the country.
 
Dabba does not mean the same as Dhaba. Dabba means one car of a train. I was giving a train example.

I don't clearly understand what are you saying.

Overcharging Dhaba made sense to me as i know that they do it but railway fares are fixed by the government and you do not have to state your religion at ticket counter.

Also these days there are III class,II/sleeper class,III AC, II AC ,I AC in increasing order of Fare.If you trvel by higher class you have to pay more.

And you must have visited India quite a long time ago as now a days only III class has wooden bench.
 
Dabba does not mean the same as Dhaba. Dabba means one car of a train. I was giving a train example.

LoL, do you mean to say that there are separate train compartments for Muslims in India? You got to be kidding me. That is straight going to be Gandhi part Two. :)
 
LoL, do you mean to say that there are separate train compartments for Muslims in India? You got to be kidding me. That is straight going to be Gandhi part Two. :)

Probably he meant first class coupe.It costs same as a plane ticket for same length of journey.
 
Fact is, a hindu in Pakistan is, at the end of the day, is a 2nd class citizen who cannot hope to be the Prsident of his country.

He cannot be the Prime Minister of his country.

i.e., he cannot hope to lead the country he calls his home.

That is the definition of 2nd class citizenship.

There are no such restrictions for Muslims in India.

Anyways, this article is not talking about all Hindus in Pakistan or all Muslims in India. So let's just stick to the topic, shall we?

Well, at the end of the day Pakistani Hindus are Pakistanis and Indian Muslims are Indian.

I won't welcome any Pakistani representing any Indians to me and I won't represent any Pakistanis to them.

We hope Pakistan becomes a better place for minorities through their own efforts and any help that seek. It can't be forced from outside.
 
Well, at the end of the day Pakistani Hindus are Pakistanis and Indian Muslims are Indian.

I won't welcome any Pakistani representing any Indians to me and I won't represent any Pakistanis to them.

We hope Pakistan becomes a better place for minorities through their own efforts and any help that seek. It can't be forced from outside.

I agree with the sentiment. Things need to improve at Pakistan's end regardless of how good or how bad they are at India's end. Making comparisons for comparisons sakes is like hurling insults at each other.
 
I agree with the sentiment. Things need to improve at Pakistan's end regardless of how good or how bad they are at India's end. Making comparisons for comparisons sakes is like hurling insults at each other.

Asim,

Indian media never compares with Pakistan socially. Yes,militarily and strategically it does. Its always Pakistani media who draws parallels between these two countries sometimes embarrassing as well as informing their own countrymen. Social comparison is unique to Pakistan.
 
India having a minority president is a Farce and a Mirage and amounts to India pulling wool over the World's eyes. it is Indian policy to make a President out of minorities to show to the World that India is fair and yet Muslim minority is at the bottom of economic ladder. Had India been fair to Muslims there would not have been any Pakistan and Bangladesh. Period.

Muslims in undivided India were 35 to 40 % of Indian Population and had they received their commensurate rights, they would not have demanded a separate homeland. You can elect all the minority Presidents, it does not change the unfairness of Hindu dominated India.

My dear friend,it does not matter whether a person belongs to minority population or not.....i think u are meaning Dr.A.P.J Abdul Kalam but do you know the fact that he is a great scientist and a has great pride in the nation and so every1 one respects him and so he got the position of president securing the most votes ........you can even see the comments of majority indians in this thread, all will say that Dr.A.P.J Abdul Kalam needs to be reelected as president so this sentiment is present in the majority and besides if he had been repressed or anything he would not have been a great scientist nor would he love his nation with the devotion he does. Ofcourse the present vice-president of India is also muslim shri Mohammad Hamid Ansari( just think from 2003 to 2008 we had both muslim president and vice president ) and we also have had 2 muslim presidents in the past-Zakir Hussain and Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed(Muhammad Hidayatullah also had served as a temporary president for a brief time who was also the cheif justice of india)......so don't say that we just elected a muslim president for show and also to answer ur another question pakistan and bd were only formed because Jinnah wanted a seperate homeland to secure the economic needs of a few high class muslims not for any other reason
 
It is not muslims but everyone who has to pay 5-7 times normal rate at a dhabba.Anyone who looks like an outsider has to pay it.Dhabbas have regular customer in form of truck drivers from whom they charge normal rates.They also have deals with Bus drivers to stop bus at their Dhaba where they charge 5-7 times from passangers.

Once i was travelling to shimla by bus and stopped at a dhaba to have lunch.I decided to order a Dal(Rs 100/-) and 4 chappatis( Rs 25/- each).The total bill came out as RS 425/-.

You know how?

The dhaba charged Rs 100/- for 4 peices of Onions they called as salad which i have not ordered and when it was served without ordering,i thought it was complementary and RS 25/- for butter on each roti and in Dal.

Buddy..Asim was talking about Dabbas. he means boxes..like the rail dabba(coaches) not Dhabas (eating place)..you got it all wrong.
 
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