A Pakistan Air Force Pilot Helped IAF Pilot Nachiketa Escape Torture!

[Omega007]

when i meant hundred year conflict i meant hundred year cold war with Kargil type skirmishes, low intensity warfare and propaganda

I see, but that wouldn't be the case if the outstanding territorial disputes get resolved namely Kashmir, and neither of the parties involved can force the other to submit and budge militarily!!So the only practical solution that remains is to convert the LoC.We had a chance to change the status quo in the 71 but we couldn't make the best of it for some definite reasons, but now it's nest to impossible.

 

[wiseone2]

I see, but that wouldn't be the case if the outstanding territorial disputes get resolved namely Kashmir, and neither of the parties involved can force the other to submit and budge militarily!!So the only practical solution that remains is to convert the LoC.We had a chance to change the status quo in the 71 but we couldn't make the best of it for some definite reasons, but now it's nest to impossible.

i see no reason why india or pakistan would budge

 

[Omega007]

i see no reason why india or pakistan would budge

Well I see one and that's our inability to enforce our respective wills and decisions upon the other by force!!But then again, since when did we start listening to reason anyway??

 

[wiseone2]

Well I see one and that's our inability to enforce our respective wills and decisions upon the other by force!!But then again, since when did we start listening to reason anyway??

it is not about reason

 

[Omega007]

it is not about reason

It's about pride, I know that.I was just saying that there is only one solution to the Kashmir issue, if we are to solve the problem that is.

 

[Imran Khan]

LOC as border will solve this mess

 

[khail007]

your offer looks like you did not know him . he was retired as brigadier general rank sir . if you really want to honor him then invite him as a guest and honor him with something honorable like an award or a medal . visa or medical kisi ghareeb bandy ko de dena mery jesy ko .

Sir G, very true advise and feeling. Keep it up.

 

[ice_man]

ver since inception of independent India and Pakistan, there has been hardly any love lost between the two countries.

The establishments of two countries don't share any sort of camaraderie and the armies of both nations too are an eye-sour for one another.

But exceptions exists and they exist even most hostile of atmospheres.

One such exception was Air Commodore (retd) Kaiser Tufail, who was the Director of Operations of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) during the Kargil war.

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"The jawans who had captured me were trying to manhandle me and maybe trying to kill me, because for them, I was just an enemy pilot who had fired on their locations from the air. And on-ground, I was firing at them. Fortunately, the officer who came was very mature. He realised the situation, that I am now a captive and now I need not be handled that way. So he was able to control them, which was a big effort, because they were very aggressive at that stage," told Group Captain K Nachiketa to NDTV who was a Flight Lieutenant then during the Kargil war and his MiG 27 had crashed in Azad Kashmir near Skardu in July 1999.

The Jawans of Pakistani Northern Light Infantary who had caught Nachiketa had no intentions to treat him well and his fate was going towards that of Captain Sourav Kalia, who was captured and subjected to gruesome torture before being shot dead.

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But Tufail came out for his rescue and stopped his men from torturing the Indian Officer. Years later Nachiketa told media that Tufail took him to his room and discussed about his likes and dislikes.

Nachiketa also told media years after he returned to India that Tufail discussed about the heart problem of his father and about his sisters marriage as well. The Pakistani also arranged for vegetarian snacks for the Indians and while discussing about the flying strictly told him maintain the cordiality of the room.

"I was detailed to talk to Nachiketa and it was a most friendly talk between two gentlemen officers. We had tea and some snacks and we rambled about flying...my mandate was to strictly maintain the cordiality of a crew room and to find out the circumstances of his ejection and the mission he was flying," Tufail was quoted inThe Indian Express in 2009, ten years after the war.

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Nachiketa, like a gentleman officer he was, shared peculiarities of their jobs in two countries with Tufail who was his senior in rank. Both officers were amazed that they have so much common between them.

"I was so amazed to find that there are so many issues in common. I asked him what he was doing before the mission and he said he had taken leave to help arrange his sister's wedding. It is the same thing that brothers are required to do here," Tufail had told IndianExpress.

After eight days of capture and taken as a prisoner of war, the backdoor efforts of Indian Government, made Nachiketa's return to India possible. But it would not have been possible, had Tufail not saved the young Indian pilot from the torture he was destined to get by the hands of Pakistani soldiers.
http://www.indiatimes.com/news/here...aptured-indian-pilot-from-torture-261159.html

BULL

surab kalia was never tortured Pakistan army doesn't torture unlike the indian army. it is a professional force.

 

[Cherokee]

LOC as border will solve this mess

this is tthe only solution now or after hundreds of years .

 

[Windjammer]

Albeit the Pakistani professional pilot proved his credentials but the rogue Indian showed his true colours once back in India.
Initially no one from the Indian Embassy came to receive their POW and he had to be handed over to Red Cross, who thoroughly examined him and found him fit and healthy.
Once back in India, during a telecast show, the scumbag ranted that ''since there are ladies present in audience, he can't repeat what Pakistanis did to him''. !!! Leaves little to imagination how Kaiser Tufail must have felt for his own good deed.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

there is a big difference between illeterate army/nli sepoy and an officer of airforce... even western army cannot train their soldiers adequately to become the person you want them to be.

NLI at the time were paramilitary troops not army.

 

[zebra7]

BULL

surab kalia was never tortured Pakistan army doesn't torture unlike the indian army. it is a professional force.

Any Link to prove your point.

Saurabh Kalia when returned, had many vital organs removed, and the post mortem report clearly shows the sign of torture, burning, shock, and injuries in many parts of his body. All the bodies of the IA, recieved from the pakistan had gunshot sign, showing they were shot from the close contact range.

 

[Hellfire]

LOC as border will solve this mess

I agree. We should do that, allow people to migrate in a phased manner as they please. Economic incentives and backup can be provided.

 

[Mentee]

LMAO @ torture, getting two or three punches here and there does not even come near to tashadud , eni ty p.t master roz bachaya'n no la dyndy NY
@The Sandman

 

[alibaz]

there is a big difference between illeterate army/nli sepoy and an officer of airforce... even western army cannot train their soldiers adequately to become the person you want them to be.

No the days of illiterate sepoys have gone. Having said this, Air Commodore must have met him at a much later stage once his life was not in danger at the hands of infantry or air defence soldiers. This statement seems to be made for beautification of story. The treatment with the officer by Air Commodore was like a soldier after all Flight Lieutenant was a fighting soldier and not a criminal.