A Muslim Mosque can be demolished, but not a Hindu temple: Modi's close aide Subramanian Swamy

[I.R.A]

Hindus may not be considered as "Humans" in Pakistan but they sure are considered humans in India.

Sigh ............... Any Hindu is a human, but any human is not necessarily a Hindu. The difference between Human eye and Hindu eye would be any human (including Hindu) sees it without bringing his faith into it.

There isn't a single religion on this earth that passes the eye test.

You tell this to Swami .......... he made a legal claim not me.

 

[StraightShooter]

Sigh ............... Any Hindu is a human, but any human is not necessarily a Hindu. The difference between Human eye and Hindu eye would be any human (including Hindu) sees it without bringing his faith into it.

Foundation of any religion is faith.

For example, you as a Muslim has put faith in prophet Mohammed which allowed you to accept that he was the messenger of God (Allah) and Quran to be the divine message. If you did not have faith in him, you would have questioned for proof and wondered why one should believe that he was the messenger of god or termed Quran as book of his own invention and not the message of god.

Hindus have faith in their scriptures which have instructions and procedures on how to invite the god which Hindus follow with full faith and devotion.

 

[I.R.A]

Foundation of any religion is faith.

For example, you as a Muslim has put faith in prophet Mohammed which allowed you to accept that he was the messenger of God (Allah) and Quran to be the divine message. If you did not have faith in him, you would have questioned for proof and wondered why one should believe that he was the messenger of god or termed Quran as book of his own invention and not the message of god.

Hindus have faith in their scriptures which have instructions and procedures on how to invite the god which Hindus follow with full faith and devotion.

In context of Muslims if it was to be blind faith then Quran would never have asked them to think, research, see and believe. Blind faith after pure free thinking, choice and research is what makes a Muslim.

However, when you make a legal claim then you should be able to support it with evidence?

 

[DineshS]

You tell this to Swami .......... he made a legal claim not me.

Religion and Legal can never go hand in hand.
Hope that makes sense..

 

[I.R.A]

Religion and Legal can never go hand in hand.
Hope that makes sense..

I hope that makes sense to Swami too because he is the one who is making a religious belief sound like a tough legal argument and logic.

 

[StraightShooter]

In context of Muslims if it was to be blind faith then Quran would never have asked them to think, research, see and believe. Blind faith after pure free thinking, choice and research is what makes a Muslim.

However, when you make a legal claim then you should be able to support it with evidence?

And who decides that Islam is not based on blind faith? The blind followers of Islam themselves?

As of today, science is incomplete while Islam claims to be complete and the final word. Hence Islam could not be based on science. Hence you have to agree that all Muslims follow the religion based on faith and faith alone.

I hope that makes sense to Swami too because he is the one who is making a religious belief sound like a tough legal argument and logic.

He is making a legal argument based on the faith and beliefs of the Muslims. The basis of his conclusion is not his faith but your faith.

 

[I.R.A]

And who decides that Islam is not based on blind faith? The blind followers of Islam themselves?

If you wish you can decide .............. what is stopping you get a copy of Quran and read it yourself.

As of today, science is incomplete while Islam claims to be complete and the final word. Hence Islam could not be based on science. Hence you have to agree that all Muslims follow the religion based on faith and faith alone.

Incomplete doesn't mean scientific discoveries have stopped? Science will keep making discoveries and we will keep accepting, if you are interested you should read "The Bible The Quran and Science" Maurice Bucuaille.

He is making a legal argument based on the faith and beliefs of the Muslims. The basis of his conclusion is not his faith but your faith.

He is saying that God enters the idol in the temple .......... how that is Islamic belief?

 

[DineshS]

I hope that makes sense to Swami too because he is the one who is making a religious belief sound like a tough legal argument and logic.

No, he is NOT making a legal argument. If anyone thinks he is, then they are not listening well.
He is making a religious argument, based on practises and beliefs in our respective religions.

 

[StraightShooter]

If you wish you can decide .............. what is stopping you get a copy of Quran and read it yourself.



Incomplete doesn't mean scientific discoveries have stopped? Science will keep making discoveries and we will keep accepting, if you are interested you should read "The Bible The Quran and Science" Maurice Bucuaille.



He is saying that God enters the idol in the temple .......... how that is Islamic belief?

Well the question is not about if a Hindu read Quran or accepts it or not. The question is about the position of Islam on the purpose of a Masjid. If Muslims think that Masjid is a place where Allah resides then they could easily counter the argument. You could have Islamic Maulvis go and claim the same in court. They could even issue a Fatwa on the same. What is stopping them?

He is saying that God enters the idol in the temple .......... how that is Islamic belief?

That is not what he is claiming.

He is claiming that a mosque can be demolished as Muslims do not consider that Allah resides in the mosque. Mosque is just a convenient place for Muslims to worship together. This claim is based on what Muslims believe as the purpose of a Mosque. This is not Swamy's belief.

He is also claiming that Temple cannot be destroyed as Hindus consider that Hindu god(s) live in those idol(s) installed in the temple. Again this claim is based on what Hindus believe as the purpose of a Temple. This is not necessarily Swamy's belief.

Incomplete doesn't mean scientific discoveries have stopped? Science will keep making discoveries and we will keep accepting, if you are interested you should read "The Bible The Quran and Science" Maurice Bucuaille.

I did not say scientific discoveries have stopped. On the contrary I was saying that the fact the science is incomplete and is still being discovered cannot be the basis for Quran as Quran is already set in stone.

I would have agreed that Quran is based on science had Quran kept revising with passage of time and addition of new scientific discoveries.

Quran is simple based on faith. And the faithful followers may believe that all scientific discoveries would finally validate and conclude the same as what was said in Quran. This may or may not happen. There is no rational thinking here but pure faith.

 

[I.R.A]

No, he is NOT making a legal argument. If anyone thinks he is, then they are not listening well.
He is making a religious argument, based on practises and beliefs in our respective religions.

That is what @StraightShooter claimed and his comment is the reason for me to stay this long in this thread.

He is not making a political statement. He is making a legal argument as he is fighting Ram Mandhir-Babri Masjid case in the supreme court of India.

I would have agreed that Quran is based on science had Quran kept revising with passage of time and addition of new scientific discoveries.

Well you may or may not agree but universe will never change with new scientific discoveries, its just that science enabled man to understand existence of something that has been there forever. With passage of time human mind has evolved.

 

[adil_minhas]

That is what @StraightShooter claimed and his comment is the reason for me to stay this long in this thread.





Well you may or may not agree but universe will never change with new scientific discoveries, its just that science enabled man to understand existence of something that has been there forever. With passage of time human mind has evolved.

O beesee ... is it you?

 

[I.R.A]

O beesee ... is it you?

Yes ............ evolved to new level

O beesee ... is it you?

What's up how have you been?

 

[Super Falcon]

Temples are not place for worship but business this MP must have got a 10 year deal of whatever chadhawa comes to Temple be Putin his pocket I respect everyone religion and it's worship place but which ever religion destroy other religions worship places I don't consider it religion

 

[adil_minhas]

Yes ............ evolved to new level



What's up how have you been?

Fighting the good fight as always.

Bashed up an black auto racial recently during a morning ride. And a Maruti van young ghati stud who came in all aggro to help him against the "mulla/outsider" ...

I need anger management. It's not reducing with age like for normal folk.

 

[I.R.A]

I need anger management. It's not reducing with age like for normal folk.

May be you need to ignore the stupidity around you, there is no cure for that. When you start believing that some particular act of someone is his / her habit, then you stop being annoyed by it. Similarly start believing that being stupid all the time is their habit ............ may be you will find some peace